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Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.09 21:20:00 - [1] Hello I'm not a regular on the forums so just bear with me please. I'm writing some fan fiction based on Eve, mainly for my own enjoyment over anything else. Basically I'm wondering if Amarrians have harems. If so what sort of level of soceity would these be found in (ie: middle class upwards or just the ruling caste)? I appericate an advice you can give me. Thanks Azia PS: my speeling will be better in the final thing, promise
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.10.09 21:48:00 - [2] I think a harem (assuming you're refering to the sexual connotations of the word) would be more a Gheyllente thing, to be honest. The Amarrians are very pious, altough it all depends on their religion. Ask PIE, they'll know. That, plus they're all old men. Ewww... ________
Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.09 22:02:00 - [3] i just thought with the whole slave thing... it just seems a thing you get slaves to do. /me ponders oh btw Nero, is that a little piccy of bun bun from sluggy.com in the corner of your sig? gah! hi-jacking my own thread! -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Santiac	Posted - 2005.10.09 22:07:00 - [4] Edited by: Santiac on 09/10/2005 22:07:36 I couldn't see Amarrians having harems, with the degree of zeal they have to their religion - if anything i'd imagine minmatar (in the free, good ol' tribal traditional way) having harems. :) ________________________________________ <insert clever/witty comment here>
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.10.09 22:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Azia Burgi i just thought with the whole slave thing... it just seems a thing you get slaves to do. /me ponders oh btw Nero, is that a little piccy of bun bun from sluggy.com in the corner of your sig? gah! hi-jacking my own thread! Nope, it's from the many faces of Marshmallow kitty, from Girly. And \o/ for thread hi-jacking! ________
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.10.09 22:24:00 - [6] An Amarr harem, assuming it's staffed with slaves, would be bordering on bestiality for most Amarr. To them, slaves are a lower species.
Fendor Atar	Posted - 2005.10.09 22:28:00 - [7] what exactly will this "fan fiction" be abaout anyway id say that amarrians dont have harems... there is a reason they hide behind cloaks
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.10.09 23:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu An Amarr harem, assuming it's staffed with slaves, would be bordering on bestiality for most Amarr. Only in public. They're still basically human - all slaves throughout history have been dragooned into harems. Guys like sex. Celt Corp - members of ISS
Solar Sailor	Posted - 2005.10.09 23:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu An Amarr harem, assuming it's staffed with slaves, would be bordering on bestiality for most Amarr. To them, slaves are a lower species. Read the Khumaak chronicle - even Heirs bend the rules ------- Bringer of Squirrelly Wrath - Foaminian Card Cult
Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.10 11:47:00 - [10] Thanks for the pointer solar. baldour, that was my logic too fendor, its about the end of an empire. more than that i couldn't possibly say ;P the basic vibe i'm getting, is that they exist but are sort of frowned upon. I find it interesting that no Amarrians have commented yet... -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Musketeer	Posted - 2005.10.10 12:03:00 - [11] So Guys, why should religion stop harems? Are the Amarrans Catholic or Jewish? If they are, I can understand your points, but if not, why should their religion stop this from happening? Remember, just because you may have been brought up in a society/religion where haremes are 'frowned' upon, does not mean other societies/religions also think the same way. If it states somewhere that Amarrans frown on harems because of their religion, please supply a link. Regards.
Delath	Posted - 2005.10.10 12:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Musketeer So Guys, why should religion stop harems? Are the Amarrans Catholic or Jewish? If they are, I can understand your points, but if not, why should their religion stop this from happening? Remember, just because you may have been brought up in a society/religion where haremes are 'frowned' upon, does not mean other societies/religions also think the same way. If it states somewhere that Amarrans frown on harems because of their religion, please supply a link. Regards. In fact it says in the Amarr timeline (a picture under race-section so I can't quote :P) that their ancestors are a group within the "Unified Catholic Church". Since that was like millenia ago in the timeline it shouldn't count for much more then what cavemen had for religion to you or me I guess but there you have it. Me: So is WOW any fun? My WOW-playing friend: Not really - mostly addictive. You run around in the forest, kill pigs and collect their nosebones. Me: ?!?
Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.10 12:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Delath In fact it says in the Amarr timeline (a picture under race-section so I can't quote :P) that their ancestors are a group within the "Unified Catholic Church". Since that was like millenia ago in the timeline it shouldn't count for much more then what cavemen had for religion to you or me I guess but there you have it. your right, in 3805AD. its on the timeline page. then in 8000AD their religon is changed (the coming of a prophet changes ANY religon). Was the Unified Catholic Church still ruled by the Vatican? i can't see since the collapse of the Eve Gate how that would work. -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Delath	Posted - 2005.10.10 13:40:00 - [14] I don't think they were but it indicates if you want the general feel for their religion and society you should start with catholicism and the type of countries they produce. Perhaps combined with the Roman Empire. Then add more austerity, even rigider social structure, ubermenschmentality, and millenia worth of general craziness. Voilß - Amarr. Me: So is WOW any fun? My WOW-playing friend: Not really - mostly addictive. You run around in the forest, kill pigs and collect their nosebones. Me: ?!?
Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Delath I don't think they were but it indicates if you want the general feel for their religion and society you should start with catholicism and the type of countries they produce. Perhaps combined with the Roman Empire. Then add more austerity, even rigider social structure, ubermenschmentality, and millenia worth of general craziness. Voilß - Amarr. i found this on harems. Quote: harÀem Audio pronunciation of "harem" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hÔr′əm, hăr′-) n. 1. A house or a section of a house reserved for women members of a Muslim household. 2. The wives, concubines, female relatives, and servants occupying such a place. 3. A group of women sexual partners for one man. [Turkish, from Arabic arīm , forbidden place, from arama , to prohibit. See rm in Semitic Roots.] [ Download Now or Buy the Book ] Source : The American Heritage« Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright ® 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. can i draw your attention to point 2. -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Kurren	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Musketeer So Guys, why should religion stop harems? Are the Amarrans Catholic or Jewish? If they are, I can understand your points, but if not, why should their religion stop this from happening? Remember, just because you may have been brought up in a society/religion where haremes are 'frowned' upon, does not mean other societies/religions also think the same way. If it states somewhere that Amarrans frown on harems because of their religion, please supply a link. Regards. I think you might be mis-interpreting "belief." It's like saying "You sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas." They don't do it because they believe they are better than that. It's not a religious thing, it's a racial thing. ************************************************ I'm not a pirate, I'm a business-extremist...
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:25:00 - [17] The Amarr do not have harems. [23]
Horatio Cain	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:31:00 - [18] I think Disco is correct. From what I have read, the religous doctrine of the Amarr has a puritanical bent. I am sure that indiscretions between holders and their slaves takes place, but its something that is always kept quiet and something like a harem would be tantamount to blasphemy within Amarr society. I am sure some cultural off shoots within the other nations practice similar customs, perhaps within the Federation or even within the tribal culture of the Minmatar as suggested by other posters. At any rate I look forward to reading any new Eve fiction! :D Please Check out my Bio: The Chronicles of Horatio Cain
Kurren	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Discorporation The Amarr do not have harems. They're also kinda ugly... make sure that gets put in the book... Amarr = the Verse's puke puddle... ************************************************ I'm not a pirate, I'm a business-extremist...
The GoldenRatio	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Azia Burgi (the coming of a prophet changes ANY religon) Where did you get that from? The GoldenRatio > All.
Solant	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Azia Burgi i just thought with the whole slave thing... it just seems a thing you get slaves to do. /me ponders oh btw Nero, is that a little piccy of bun bun from sluggy.com in the corner of your sig? gah! hi-jacking my own thread! I don't think any Amarrian would be caught dead fornicating with a Minmatar slave. Not only are they dedicated to religion, most of them hate Minmatar (and we hate them back). So no, I am almost certain harems would be impossible in Amarrian society, especially if they were made up of Minmatar.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Horatio Cain I think Disco is correct. From what I have read, the religous doctrine of the Amarr has a puritanical bent. Not that, specifically, but Amarr respect women and see them as equals. Adding to that that slaves are essentialy Pariah in the hindu-castse sense, and no self-respecting Amarrian woman would ever dream of sharing a hubby, and polygamy being actually outlawed.. The Amarr have no harems [23]
Solant	Posted - 2005.10.10 18:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Azia Burgi Originally by: Delath I don't think they were but it indicates if you want the general feel for their religion and society you should start with catholicism and the type of countries they produce. Perhaps combined with the Roman Empire. Then add more austerity, even rigider social structure, ubermenschmentality, and millenia worth of general craziness. Voilß - Amarr. i found this on harems. Quote: harÀem Audio pronunciation of "harem" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hÔr′əm, hăr′-) n. 1. A house or a section of a house reserved for women members of a Muslim household. 2. The wives, concubines, female relatives, and servants occupying such a place. 3. A group of women sexual partners for one man. [Turkish, from Arabic arīm , forbidden place, from arama , to prohibit. See rm in Semitic Roots.] [ Download Now or Buy the Book ] Source : The American Heritage« Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright ® 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. can i draw your attention to point 2. While I'm not sure on this, I don't think Minmatar were/are commonly used as "household" servants or slaves.. I think the majority of them would be working in mines, etc. In fact, I doubt the Amarrians really like seeing Minmatar around when they're doing whatever they do every day.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.10.10 19:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Solant While I'm not sure on this, I don't think Minmatar were/are commonly used as "household" servants or slaves.. I think the majority of them would be working in mines, etc. In fact, I doubt the Amarrians really like seeing Minmatar around when they're doing whatever they do every day. Mines, farms, household slaves, teachers (probably to migrant-worker kids, since they're not as far apart on the caste-ladder). [23]
Laejar Rendas	Posted - 2005.10.10 19:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Solant While I'm not sure on this, I don't think Minmatar were/are commonly used as "household" servants or slaves.. I think the majority of them would be working in mines, etc. In fact, I doubt the Amarrians really like seeing Minmatar around when they're doing whatever they do every day. Mines, farms, household slaves, teachers (probably to migrant-worker kids, since they're not as far apart on the caste-ladder). Solar already said it, but Disc is completely ignoring the Khuumak chronicle. 1) The royal heir's secretary and trusted civil servant is a minmatar slave. 2) The royal heir's son has a minmatar mistress. The minmatar aren't just in the mines, they're in the palaces, both throne rooms and bedrooms.
Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.10 19:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Discorporation The Amarr do not have harems. Disco, you mean YOU don't have a harem information on amarr rituals appears to be VERY thin on the ground. I've written 5 pages and killed off 3 people already . I might release it in small chunks, a chapter a week maybe. i think i will write harems in for the time being until there is enough evidence to disprove their existance. -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.10.10 19:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Solant I don't think any Amarrian would be caught dead fornicating with a Minmatar slave. That just proves they wouldn't admit to it in public Celt Corp - members of ISS
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.10.10 20:02:00 - [28] re: Khumaak, Zoriac wasn't a slave. Probably a house Ardishapur noble of high standing.
Azia Burgi	Posted - 2005.10.10 20:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu re: Khumaak, Zoriac wasn't a slave. Probably a house Ardishapur noble of high standing. istvaan, the minmatar girl in khumaak was never named. -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.10.10 20:50:00 - [30] She was later, in the Outcast chronicle. Also, as long as we're throwing around references to the Khumaak chronicle, here's some text taken right from it: Quote: Involuntary, his mind drifted to the little hiding place he had down in the city, to the lithe and winsome creature he whispered words of passion and affection to during lovemaking. His family and friends would be appalled if they knew of his dark-skinned Starkmanir girl, with her almond eyes and her smile that was coy and bold at the same time. Yes, it happens. No, it's never accepted as ok.

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