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Oshi Ryn Pulse Heavy Industries 0	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:57:00 - [1] - Quote Im currently running LVL 4's in Caldari space with this fit. Im curious though if there are any tweaks that might be suggested to get that last bit of efficiency out of it. The hardners are of course mission specific. I usually use Precision missiles for elite frigs but would it be more efficient to use a web or TP? Any other suggestions on where I might tweak this? [Tengu, Tengu/Missions] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith B-Type EM Ward Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 1084	Posted - 2013.05.11 05:41:00 - [2] - Quote You don't need 4 hardners, least of which the thermal hardner, with caldari base thermal resist. Fit a cap booster and not worry about cap, then you can ditch that small gank magnet of a booster and get a med size. Also, consider ham fit. 74km range with jav and 3x range rigs. Tracking is better than your fury hml with these t2 rigs, with the same range, and better dps. If you need, you have the option to switch ammo for higher dps. With hmls, you get the option to switch ammo for higher range, which is not as useful. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:51:00 - [3] - Quote Here is sth that may give you some ideas...this example is against Guristas...C: [Tengu, HAML42SSB] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Republic Fleet Target Painter Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 624/734 74.2km Javs 798/938 49.4km CN Scourge 936/1101 41.1km Rage Scourge RF TP helping with applied damage 48,353 EHP therml/kin resists at 86.0/89.9% cold 87.2/92.9% hot One booster combined tank of 413.2 HPs for 10m+ Burst one booster combined hot of 657.5 HPs All boosters combined burst of 750 HPs cold, 1193 HPs hot for 2m23s/1m56s Cap stable without boosts, 10m40s with one perma, 2m23s perma all. 1.25bil rigged (half a bil less than yours). Bling more as wallet/balls allow. Hope that helps, cheers...C:
mama guru Thundercats The Initiative. 108	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:53:00 - [4] - Quote Here's something that isn't a gank magnet. [Tengu, Missions 2 HAM Endgame Minmatar] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Explosive Deflection Field II Explosive Deflection Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node 940 dps with perfect skills and +3% implants. Better precision than heavy missiles, 52km with javelins which is awesome to pop frigs at a distance. 29km with Rage, rips up battleships and cruisers at a rediculous pace. Swap hardeners according to mission needs. If you want a bigger tank invest in something the ganker can't see like crystal implants. No reason to fit 500-1b worth of tank mods on a ship as EHP defecient as the tengu. ______ EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 157	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:08:00 - [5] - Quote 54 with javelins is too low, you'd spend too much time fly around. I prefer the 74km fit anyday
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 1085	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:47:00 - [6] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: 54 with javelins is too low, you'd spend too much time fly around. I prefer the 74km fit anyday ^This, and if you pimp something, make it the bcs, not the shield booster. Ppl will see that A on the booster and gank you before you align out. Time's not on their side so they don't hesitate. Nobody ganks for faction dmg mod alone, guaranteed net loss @ 50% drop rate. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Captain Nares O3 Corporation 48	Posted - 2013.05.11 23:24:00 - [7] - Quote Oshi Ryn wrote: Im currently running LVL 4's in Caldari space with this fit. Im curious though if there are any tweaks that might be suggested to get that last bit of efficiency out of it. The hardners are of course mission specific. I usually use Precision missiles for elite frigs but would it be more efficient to use a web or TP? Any other suggestions on where I might tweak this? [Tengu, Tengu/Missions] <...> Your tank and meta lvls arent' optimal. HM's + 3 rigs are okay no TP/web needed. PvE tengu can have 600 omni tank w/o harm to damage and mobility in pricy fits or 350-400 in cheap "reasonable" fit. Both are valid targets for suicide gankers though.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 184	Posted - 2013.05.11 23:57:00 - [8] - Quote Pithi C/B Type Small Shield Booster + 2 Hardeners is my L4 tank of choice for Tengus, never failed me (as long as you keep the speedtank running). I haven't flown a Tengu in l4s in ages but I'd go for the 74km fit as well, the damage application is damn near identical to rigor'd HMs anyway.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 645	Posted - 2013.05.12 09:44:00 - [9] - Quote I use 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Stasis Webifier II 10MN Afterburner II 4xBallistic Control System II 2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Amplification Node; Dissolution Sequencer; Augmented Capacitor Reservoir; Accelerated Ejection Bay; Fuel Catalyst Tanks L4 missions just fine Use [xyz] Fury on BC's & BS's Use [xyz] Precision on Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates Paint all targets, Web whatever gets close enough. Faction Mod Choices (In order of usefulness) CN Ballistic Controls Fed Navy Webbifier Fed Navy 10mn AB RF Target Painter Pitch C-Type Resists
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 1085	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:34:00 - [10] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: I use Faction Mod Choices (In order of usefulness) CN Ballistic Controls Fed Navy Webbifier Fed Navy 10mn AB RF Target Painter Pitch C-Type Resists This will be ganked. 1-2 nados for epic profit. And other than cn bcs, these aren't useful. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 162	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:42:00 - [11] - Quote you really don't need a web if you have precisions in your hold painter also ......?
GreenSeed 282	Posted - 2013.05.12 22:50:00 - [12] - Quote honestly faction tank for lvl4s is just plain overkill. also, people can gank them for a profit... they don't even need to have a gripe against you, all they need is time and boredom, and they will break even. for lvl4s on cald space drop the amplification node for a supplemental screening, 2x t2 em resist hardeners/amps is all you need for resists, T2 small shield booster + boost amp or simply a shield booster + large shield extender (Yes, LSE.) will suffice for tank so you can fit faction bcus + DED AB and not worry for gate alpha ganks. (that's why amps > hardeners) if you are not worried at all about alpha ganks because you don't have faction on lows and locals don't hate your guts, then go back to the amp node. you wont see much of a difference on your tank, but if you want to mix max it, with hams you'll need an extra salvo to kill some of the 900kisk+ bships if you are using t2 lows. i would recommend 3x cald bcus + nano on lows. for rigs 2x t2 rigors + one agi/speed, add on top a zor implant + pimped AB and you fly around at 800ms... npcs will miss 90% of the time. i rather sacrifice exp radius for travel speed. speed is your tank on lvl4s, so a faction AB and good nav skills are a must. also, drop HMLs and swich to HAMS.
Ravay Kanjus EnvyDust 0	Posted - 2013.05.13 01:47:00 - [13] - Quote Massively confused. Why a small shield booster, when it can fit a large shield booster, still be cap stable with a few cap modules, still able to fit 2 resistance modules and an adaptive, and still can fit 2 ballistic control units? On Ballistic Control units, I thought after 2 or 3 of them, the penalty % reduction of stacking them is so high it's not worth putting on more when you could have something else defensive or cap related - maybe even electronic related.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.05.13 02:15:00 - [14] - Quote what cap modules power relays? 4BCU still has significant DPS modification
Ravay Kanjus EnvyDust 0	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:05:00 - [15] - Quote Flux Coils or rechargers if you have any mid slots. Cap Battery if tons of spare cpu (tough to put on). One relay wouldn't hurt too much, thanks to the boost amp. I'll keep that in mind. The Tengu fit I have in mind has 2 BCUs so far.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:13:00 - [16] - Quote sounds like it doesn't do much DPS and tanks less than with a small booster.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 185	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Ravay Kanjus wrote: Massively confused. Why a small shield booster, when it can fit a large shield booster, still be cap stable with a few cap modules, still able to fit 2 resistance modules and an adaptive, and still can fit 2 ballistic control units? On Ballistic Control units, I thought after 2 or 3 of them, the penalty % reduction of stacking them is so high it's not worth putting on more when you could have something else defensive or cap related - maybe even electronic related. Why? Because any additional tank on top of the minimum amount you need is wasted, more dps will help you finish the missions faster thus earning you more money, even though 4 BCS is heavily stacking penalized, why put in more cap/tank mods when you already have enough tank to survive missions easily? The 4 slot tank I used for my L4 Tengu (Pithi C-Type Small, 2 mission spec hards, boost amp) never even came close to failing me, the only time it got dicey was when I was careless and got 4x webbed in a mission against Mercs and didn't notice, Silence the Informant if I'm not mistaken, other than that I doubt my shields ever dropped below 50%. Don't forget that the AB and small sig of the Tengu allows you to speed tank a huge amount of the damage and more damage is tank, as the faster you kill stuff the less you have to tank. More tank is only useful if you're afk/not paying attention/not shooting anything, other than that it's a waste of slots which could have been used for damage/damage application. That being said if you want the security of extra tank, the minimum amount of BCS I'd use on a Tengu is 3, with all the rig slots dedicated to damage application, that gives you 5 mids and 1 low which will allow you to fit a massive tank that's capable of dealing with full room aggro while just sitting there doing nothing (which should never happen).
Caitlyn Tufy Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 281	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:48:00 - [18] - Quote [Tengu, L4s] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst This has always worked for me. The only exception was Worlds Collide (Angel version) where I used medium instead of small shield booster, because you need to survive heavy close range dps while you're taking down four webbing/scramming frigates. Other than that, a protip: train for CNR / Machariel / Vargur. No implants: DPS: 965 at 37 km. Max range: 67 km with 643 dps Tank: 661 m/s, 150 sig ;)
Bloody Wench 338	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:59:00 - [19] - Quote I don't mission anymore, but when I did... [Tengu, Hisec Missions] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Never let me down. The only expensive thing is the Pith-C. I used to run CN BCS as well, but this is the cheapo version. Hams are fuckin rubbish, time spent getting into range on things like WC, Pirate Invasion, Duo of Dicks, and Blockade will be terrible. Tengus really benefit from a bit of money thrown at them. People here are all like 'ohohoho gank target gank target gank target', frankly if you pick an area that isn't motsu, and you don't shoot your mouth off, and don't fire on people ninja salvaging you, you'll be fine. (This is before Crime Watch I don't know if it still applies) If you're not getting any EM based missions drop the EM hardener for something else. EG a Med Extender II Webs are infinitely better than TPs for scramming frigs, and all frigs. Tards will argue this, but they haven't actually tested it, they just sperg what others have told them. You don't need flares or rigors at all. Stuff dies just fine. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack
Mad0ne Kosmosemutid 1	Posted - 2013.05.13 12:18:00 - [20] - Quote Tengu is good
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2565	Posted - 2013.05.13 18:13:00 - [21] - Quote Duo of Dicks lol
M'ktakh Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2013.05.13 20:00:00 - [22] - Quote [Tengu, HAM Tengu] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Target Painter II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 966 dps (with reload)@41k with Rage 644 dps (with reload)@72k with Javelin You need to pay some attention, so if you want to AFK-F1, then stick with HML, but otherwise, much better damage to everything but fast elite frigates
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 156	Posted - 2013.05.14 15:01:00 - [23] - Quote Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gravimetric Backup Array II ECCM - Gravimetric II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier Gistum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Ammo and resists to rats I see gurista missions alot and this offsets alot of jams. Hard to find a side bene. The CCC II only needed for permarun until you have very good engineering skills. I actually don't need it anymore. I keep the CCC in case needed for when I do something funky fit wise and need it again in the future basically. Worst beating I get is in 1 sansha mission (normal) and this is 25% if that damage to shield levels. Most of the time, jsut speed tank, kill frigs with a vengeance and its all good. Most active hardeners will fit and permarun as is (i never eft'd pith gear tbh...so don't know about them)...I like passive resists and these I have had the whole set for a while. they resist fine so not seeing a need to spend more on a very workable setup.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 744	Posted - 2013.05.18 20:28:00 - [24] - Quote Since missile changes HAM's Tengu is the way to go with full range riggs and actually I use more tank than TP which is imho useless to waste a tank slot for a couple frigs it will take 1 or 2 more voley to get down, and when you know how fast ham's launchers fire welp, there are bette options for that mid. With good skills and some basic implants+rage you get more dps than you need to kill everything, 1.2k DPS OH you're doing 100% dmg on everything cruiser and above, it's overkill. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Kaal Redrum The Tuskers 33	Posted - 2013.05.19 15:13:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: I use more tank than TP which is imho useless to waste a tank slot for a couple frigs it will take 1 or 2 more voley to get down, and when you know how fast ham's launchers fire welp, there are bette options for that mid. Forgivable for a level 4. Its when those 2-3 Frigs turn out to be scram, web and elite when you really start hoping you had rigor rigged and packed some TPs. Ive seen 1.5-2B dead Tengus flown by experiences pilots, because they got allured by the EFT DPS display. Make sure your applied dps on elite frigates and cruisers is not Kestrel grade. HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option, so ignoring TPs/Webs or Rigor Rigs is not very smart. If this hasnt been said before - unless you plan on blitzing L4s in low/null sec, 4-500M Tengu is a royal waste. A 150-200M Raven will do it as well.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 663	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:23:00 - [26] - Quote Kaal Redrum wrote: HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option Long Range Anti Ship They seem different, somehow.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 201	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:51:00 - [27] - Quote You definitely want at least 1 TP for a HAM tengu, there are some missions (a mercenaries mission, cant remember the name) where a whole bunch of elite frigs spawn on top of you and web you down like 5x at which point unless you're running a massive overtank, your Tengu will take alot of damage and if you cant down them quick enough you can lose it.
Kaal Redrum The Tuskers 40	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:16:00 - [28] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: Kaal Redrum wrote: HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option Long Range Anti Ship They seem different, somehow. Yes, please use 'Anti Ship' HAMs vs Frigates. Sorry, but there is not easier or polite way to say this - youre a moron.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 663	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:30:00 - [29] - Quote Kaal Redrum wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: Kaal Redrum wrote: HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option Long Range Anti Ship They seem different, somehow. Yes, please use 'Anti Ship' HAMs vs Frigates. Sorry, but there is not easier or polite way to say this - youre a moron. I keep forgetting this is the internet .. where rudeness and arrogance is empowered by anonymity CCP named them not me ... I just looked at the raw data of things like Explosion Radius & Velocity .... and lo and behold, as I said, they are different I hear Target Painters and Webbifiers make missiles do more damage to targets of course EFT doesn't change it's reported DPS value when those 2 items are included in a fit so I guess it's easy to see why some people may discount them.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 744	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:18:00 - [30] - Quote Kaal Redrum wrote: Snip Sorry but if you can't handle a couple elite frigs on a Tengu with ham's you shouldn't fly a Tengu and should actually spend a bit more time training your missile support your tank and navigation skills. Before missile changes I'd say yes of course, but at this right moment? -jeez a MWD'n elite frigate with implants and base sign radius of 25 gets simply two volleyed before enter the 10km critical zone, after this is a matter of 3 or 4 more volleys, and this is for players smallest sign radius frigates, NPC's are far bigger and your HAM Tengu is shooting at almost 1sec rate. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

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