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Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:02:00 -
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Carriers, the poor mans cap, well relatively anyway.
They have a fairly important role in logistics (ie moving things around, that kind of logistics, not remote reps etc) so maybe that role needs to be expanded further.
*The following is an idea, it is not in anyway refined, so it would require significant balancing to implement*
Logistics Module - High Slot, Effect of the module not removed by offlining, must be unfitted, cannot be unfitted in High Sec
Decrease Drone and Fighter DPS by 75% - Maybe not severe enough not sure
Decrease logistics modules effectiveness by 75% - Again, severity?? More/Less
Unable to use jump drive
Cannot enter deadspace pockets, activate deadspace gates, or participate in missions in any way
Increase Corp Hangar, Cargo Bay and ship maintenance bay size by 50/100% - Too much/not enough??
Add Ore hangar of maybe 40,000 m3
Finally the main point of this module - Can use jump gates, however only gates that enter or transit between high sec
It would allow carriers to assist in mining ops in high sec, move high value cargo, and simply be placed in high sec, if say your alliance is ejected from Null or such.
Maybe a Fuel cost for using a gate, as an extra balancing measure??
Any thoughts then??? |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:07:00 -
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Quote:
It would allow carriers to assist in mining ops in high sec, move high value cargo, and simply be placed in high sec, if say your alliance is ejected from Null or such.
It's called a ******* orca, why do you need a carrier to mine? The orca is meant to be the mining "carrier" vessel of high sec.
Now the contradiction
Quote:Logistics Module - High Slot, Effect of the module not removed by offlining, must be unfitted, cannot be unfitted in High Sec
Ok, can't be unfitted in high sec.
Quote:
Finally the main point of this module - Can use jump gates, however only gates that enter or transit between high sec
Ok, can't jump by gate from high to lowsec or null.
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Unable to use jump drive
Ok, can't jump to a cyno in low or null.
So basically you can't unfit it at all because you can't leave highsec to do it. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
Not Usually Killing Everyone.
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:08:00 -
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*Puts on Module*
*jumps to high sec*
*takes off module*
*RAMPAGE*
The Drake is a Lie |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:10:00 -
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terrible idea
just give us t3 industrials
enuff said
however regarding normal carriers, will ye please make the fuel bay larger CCP? 3000m3 is just too small.... increase it to 6000m3 to allow for 4 jumps and still a bit of stront for a triage cycle... the rest of the stront takes up the corp hangar
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Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:11:00 -
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[quote=Messoroz]Quote:
So basically you can't unfit it at all because you can't leave highsec to do it.
Fair point, hadn't considered that, ok so they can jump out to low sec from high sec, but not from low-low, low- null, or null-null etc |
Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:12:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:terrible idea
just give us t3 industrials
enuff said
Would work, but only if they look as cool as the carriers :P |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:13:00 -
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as they said you can use an orca for that on high sec
and if the JF are too expensive you can use a rorqual for low/null freight and minage bonus
the only buff i would consider here is raising the ship maintenance bay.
the rest is terrible idea |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
80
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:13:00 -
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carriers already have a role, and are hardly a poor mans cap... that honour goes to the dread.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:22:00 -
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It would seem my idea is not a good one :(
Ah well, got a toon training for an Orca anways :P |
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:24:00 -
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Get a freighter and an orca, do courier contracts to move things too big for an orca. Problem solved. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:41:00 -
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Ugg.
Why would i fly a carrier? Just fly a dam guardian..... would rep more than your dam carrier........
Also, your nerf would effectively eliminate any ability to rep BS fleets in large fleet/super cap engagements thereby making the nerfs CCP just made to supercarriers and titans meaningless.
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Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:49:00 -
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Satav wrote:Ugg.
Why would i fly a carrier? Just fly a dam guardian..... would rep more than your dam carrier........
Also, your nerf would effectively eliminate any ability to rep BS fleets in large fleet/super cap engagements thereby making the nerfs CCP just made to supercarriers and titans meaningless.
Eh?? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:24:00 -
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im sure a well fit carrier will rep more then a guardian.....
anyways OP no, carriers don't need to be in highsec there is no point carriers should become the capship-> anti support ship in the new fleet warfare with the nerf to supercarriers |
Darth A30NZ
Society Of New Eden Studies
Violent Society
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:09:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Carriers, the poor mans cap, well relatively anyway.
They have a fairly important role in logistics (ie moving things around, that kind of logistics, not remote reps etc) so maybe that role needs to be expanded further.
*The following is an idea, it is not in anyway refined, so it would require significant balancing to implement*
Logistics Module - High Slot, Effect of the module not removed by offlining, must be unfitted, cannot be unfitted in High Sec
Decrease Drone and Fighter DPS by 75% - Maybe not severe enough not sure
Decrease logistics modules effectiveness by 75% - Again, severity?? More/Less
Unable to use jump drive
Cannot enter deadspace pockets, activate deadspace gates, or participate in missions in any way
Increase Corp Hangar, Cargo Bay and ship maintenance bay size by 50/100% - Too much/not enough??
Add Ore hangar of maybe 40,000 m3
Finally the main point of this module - Can use jump gates, however only gates that enter or transit between high sec
It would allow carriers to assist in mining ops in high sec, move high value cargo, and simply be placed in high sec, if say your alliance is ejected from Null or such.
Maybe a Fuel cost for using a gate, as an extra balancing measure??
Any thoughts then???
What? I don't even
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
82
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:10:00 -
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All skills 5 basi 4 large S-95 shield rtransporter eps 307.2 shield hp/s
All skills 5 Chimera 1 Murky Capital shield transporter rep, no triage 330 shield hp/s
Carrier out reps logi with one rep. with triage ON that becomes 1320 shield hp/s on ONE capital rep...
Know what you are talking about before you post please.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:02:00 -
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It's obvious that the OP wants something resilient like a Carrier to support his mining and other high-sec operations, as the Orca is rather fragile for a "capital ship" to say nothing of an exhumer or non-freighter industrial. |
Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:15:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:It's obvious that the OP wants something resilient like a Carrier to support his mining and other high-sec operations, as the Orca is rather fragile for a "capital ship" to say nothing of an exhumer or non-freighter industrial.
Exactly, that and they look awesome
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:18:00 -
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OP is someone too scared to leave highsec, but wants a carrier.
my advice? leave highsec. |
Danny John-Peter
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:22:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:OP is someone too scared to leave highsec, but wants a carrier.
my advice? leave highsec.
Well, yes want a carrier, no not scared to leave high sec, I'm quite happy to throw my ships into low sec/WH/null tbh, its only pixels after all, just I'm in a predominantly high sec (at the moment) corp, and it would be handy in general. |
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