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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2005.10.10 19:45:00 -
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I'm looking for a good sniper ship to use in fleets and was wondering which one to go for. I am going to train either gallente battleship or mini battleship to V but i'm not sure which.
At the moment my skills are all in gallente ships and i have medium blasters and railguns spec already so it wouldnt take long to train for large hybrids II. I also have gall bs 4 already.
On the other hand, i only have mini frigate 3 and no weapons spec in projectiles but i really like the look of the tempest. Is it worth all the extra training to fly it or should i stick with the mega?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.10.10 19:47:00 -
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Megathron has the edge in DPS, Tempest has the bigger alpha strikes so you can insta pop everything smaller than a HAC. Both are excellent ships, I'd go with a mega just because you're most of the way there anyways.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.10.10 19:47:00 -
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I think the answer should be fairly clear for you then m8, you've already got a lot of skillpoints towards gallente spec, go that route. After you're done gallente you can always do minmatar afterwards.
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CptEagle
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Posted - 2005.10.10 19:56:00 -
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Also choose you're ship by the way it looks coz its what you'll be flying most of the time.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Hllaxiu
Megathron has the edge in DPS, Tempest has the bigger alpha strikes so you can insta pop everything smaller than a HAC. Both are excellent ships, I'd go with a mega just because you're most of the way there anyways.
Well, that depends on the target and the range, really. It it has a hardener or two, that means it'll take less from Megathron as TH and Kin hardeners are the first you put on a ship.
If you start using ammo above Iridium on the Megathron, you'll loose a lot of damage to the Tempest counterpart IIRC. Carbonized Lead L (or whatever ammo the +60% one is) does 4 more damage than Iron Charge L.
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markol
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:02:00 -
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I drive a megathron. With a pure long range sniper setup, it is less than impressive.
If kitted to have optimal of 150km (425mm T2, 80x tracking, 2x sensor booster, antoher 60 dmg mods, iron/tungsten ammo) - read gate sniper - I can instapop frigates and ceptors. Even haulers take 2 volleys to pop. You can forget about cruisers or anything higher with that ammo/setup. Maybe if you fit AM ammo, you kill your range, but get dmg instead.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:04:00 -
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could you just put 1400's on a mega?
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Corvus Crax
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Happy
could you just put 1400's on a mega?
The damagebonus and especially trackingbons on the tempest is needed...really needed for 1400's...unless you can fit 8 of them on something like an apoc and have a few extra slots for trackingmods...
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Bank Empty
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Bank Empty on 10/10/2005 20:07:34
1400mms suck without the ROF/DMG bonuses from the Tempest. You can just about get away with it on an Apoc due to getting to fit an extra 2 guns + more dmg mods, but on anything else they're rubbish.
EDIT: beat me to it. BTW it's a DMG + ROF bonus, not tracking :)
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Jatonix
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:21:00 -
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depends what your role is ....
tempests can utterly splatt most frigs and cruisers even bc( if your good enough), some megathron pilots can but oyu gotta have top skillz?
Altough megathron you get a better DOT because of better rof and 1 extra gun?, but you get an extra mid slot and 2 spare launcher slots on a tempest.. heh
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Commander Diaz
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:51:00 -
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I was wondering, while we are on the topic if anyone could reccomend a good sniper megathron setup for fleet battles. Any suggestions would me much appreciated!!
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Arti K
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Posted - 2005.10.10 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Arti K on 10/10/2005 21:25:42
They're about the same, megathron is better at popping smaller stuff because of its tracking bonus.
The only place that the burst damage really makes a difference is when you're ~30-40km away from someone and have EMP L loaded in your 1400mm II's. Then they're obscene because you'll put a gankageddon to 2/3 armor on the first volley and make him think twice  .
Once frigs are in motion and have a transversal over 100 m/s you've pretty much lost your chance at hitting them unless they turn on a mwd, megathron will have a much better chance of hitting them at range.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2005.10.10 21:30:00 -
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I've seen tempests one volley zealots
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.10.10 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Crax
Originally by: Dr Happy
could you just put 1400's on a mega?
The damagebonus and especially trackingbons on the tempest is needed...really needed for 1400's...
Tempest has RoF+Dmg bonus, not tracking unfortunatly.
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Grut
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Posted - 2005.10.10 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arti K
Edited by: Arti K on 10/10/2005 21:25:42
The only place that the burst damage really makes a difference is when you're ~30-40km away from someone and have EMP L loaded in your 1400mm II's. Then they're obscene because you'll put a gankageddon to 2/3 armor on the first volley and make him think twice .
Burst damage matters at range, wit focus fire. Last time i checked 5 tempest2's 1 volley untanked (ie fleet rigged bs)
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Dahin
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Posted - 2005.10.11 01:07:00 -
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tempests in squads. Instapop n' go (the [7] way)
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Altrex Stoppel
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Posted - 2005.10.11 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Caanan
I've seen tempests one volley zealots
My freind did that once with me watching...was pretty sick...
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Smithers
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Posted - 2005.10.11 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Caanan
I've seen tempests one volley zealots
Phased Plasma ftw
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Tadis
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Posted - 2005.10.11 08:00:00 -
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During the Fix v FE war I saw Ephermeron (sp) one volley popped in a Eagle from a Tempest. Since then I've never underestimated them fearful buggers. Granted it was point blank ammo/range but still.... feaful damage!
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.10.11 11:53:00 -
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Well.. tricky.. and while Id like the tempey's burst dammage I do like my mega.
Fitted for gank/sniping you get nice results. optimal with Antimatter out to 50km with decent rails, 2x tracking comps and 2x tracking enhancers. rest sensorboosters and dammage mods.
You can hit stuff almost 200km away too in a mega. My best is popping a frig at 190km away, I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.
If your engaging another BS you have do well if you control the range you fight at. In a gank/snipe fitting you do best by engaging smack on the optimal for your ammo. So for example 50km with antimatter.
Then your target will have to swap out his ammo for a lower dammage one to get his optimal to 50km, either that or he shoots you in his fall off.
Either way it can just give you the edge in DPS..
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.10.11 14:13:00 -
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What you got to remember, is while the tempest can manage to get quite a bit of damage with its 1400m's, the tracking on them is appalling. So its a case of if you hit. Which is why there DPS is lower.
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Linavin
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Posted - 2005.10.11 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
What you got to remember, is while the tempest can manage to get quite a bit of damage with its 1400m's, the tracking on them is appalling. So its a case of if you hit. Which is why there DPS is lower.
Not really, the dps is calculated assuming a stationary target within optimal range, so tracking is not a factor. One good thing, however, is that the farther away a target, the less the turret needs to track it. So at long range the tracking isn't really a factor.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.10.11 14:36:00 -
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Really? Isnt that a silly (for want of a intellectual word there) way of calculating it? Seeing as tracking is such a factor in real combat.
So, it'll actually be worse than stated. But as you said, your sniping so transversal shouldnt be too bad.
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Resin Kadir
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Resin Kadir on 11/10/2005 16:28:03
Originally by: markol
I drive a megathron. With a pure long range sniper setup, it is less than impressive.
If kitted to have optimal of 150km (425mm T2, 80x tracking, 2x sensor booster, antoher 60 dmg mods, iron/tungsten ammo) - read gate sniper - I can instapop frigates and ceptors. Even haulers take 2 volleys to pop. You can forget about cruisers or anything higher with that ammo/setup. Maybe if you fit AM ammo, you kill your range, but get dmg instead.
Try fitting 3 tracking computers, 5 mfs, 1 tracking enchaner and t2 425mm if u can use them. my optimal range with antimatter is 10-79km.
Originally by: Altrex Stoppel
Originally by: Caanan
I've seen tempests one volley zealots
My freind did that once with me watching...was pretty sick...
I can take a zealot into structure in one volley..... megathron
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Resin Kadir
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Linavin
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
What you got to remember, is while the tempest can manage to get quite a bit of damage with its 1400m's, the tracking on them is appalling. So its a case of if you hit. Which is why there DPS is lower.
Not really, the dps is calculated assuming a stationary target within optimal range, so tracking is not a factor. One good thing, however, is that the farther away a target, the less the turret needs to track it. So at long range the tracking isn't really a factor.
I recently fit my megathron for sniping. I have gallente bs 5 so 25% tracking, I had 7 tracking enhancer II on low slot and 425mm rails II fitted. I was using iron and the target was a Crow orbiting me at 250km. Well within my optimal range.
Needless to say, I couldn't hit him and he had a MWD on. Now tell me transversal velocity isn't a factor.
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