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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:14:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Zeerover wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:FW is dead. All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20top alliance 1Goonswarm Federation5415 , so they kill more than all militias together. top corporation 1Blue Republic3067, kills more than 2 militias together. and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9CONCORD1425, kills more than one average militia. Fw is dead. The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse. Those kills that are not counted on militia stats has nothing to do with FW, you can kill those without being in FW. Still hanging on to the misinformed or deliberately obtuse I see... Those targets come to said systems because the militias live there, thus without FW those kills would not be there and hence those kills have everything to do with FW. How was Arzad before FW? Or Kamela, Kourmonen, Huola, Dal, Ardar and Eszur? This point can even be taken to the Cal/Gal zone, without the FW targets few pirates would want to be in low-sec. Apart from pipe systems and chokehold exits the FW zones are the only place with any activity in low-sec - and that's because the FW corps are there.
On Gallente/Caldari area Old Man Star and Tama were well known pirate systems before militia, Blackrise has no history before FW because that region was made for FW.
Many pirates did not like FW at start because it was ruining their pirating possibilities and they moved away from fw area. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:16:00 -
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Stats for October: Name# MembersTotal KillsKills/Member Comments Blue Rep64930674.7 <---- (#1 in kills for month) Lives in high sec BOAE INC11010899.9 <---- (#20 in kills for month) Great Kill/Member ratio for decent sized corp. draketrain903664.1 <---- Former FW Corp. Have lost many members since leaving FW QCATS1225704.7 <----- FW corp. Have continued to grow slowly over time.
(This is a slow month for QCATS, we usually have 70 more kills at this time)
If FW is dead, draketrain is dead. +1 to BOAE, Awesome Kill/member ratio.
QCATS is averaging 30-50% more FW kills this month than it ever has (90-110 (final blows and not just in on kms) on FW WTs per week). FW is dead.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:28:00 -
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FW might be more of a zombie than truly dead, but my memories of FW in Minni militia was a good one. I just couldn't be bothered repairing a totally trashed faction standing, so next time I would probably avoid plexing.
I think the key is to not join the frogs, because you'll just be bored sitting on your thumb waiting to catch the squids. If you become a squid, you'll probably be frustrated that you have a billion people in Militia chat, and they are all too busy making ISK to pew pew.
So join the blackamoors or the godbotherers. Sure, you probably now have to deal with PL in Amamake, or BANE blobbing occasionally, but you will likely get better fights on either side. I can't talk of the Amarr FCs but the minnie guys are pretty competent, you'll get small gang fights regularly, and get your arse blobbed heavily weekly, but thats EVE anyway.
Plus, come the new PI nerf, FW will be a great place to buy the Custom Office BPC's, and you will make serious bank on this.
As for pimezones, Amarr's PIE Inc. has a core of AU TZ players; the minnie militia used to have a fair few AU players, but not sure anymore. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
7
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:32:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Stats for October: Name# MembersTotal KillsKills/Member Comments Blue Rep64930674.7 <---- (#1 in kills for month) Lives in high sec BOAE INC11010899.9 <---- (#20 in kills for month) Great Kill/Member ratio for decent sized corp. draketrain903664.1 <---- Former FW Corp. Have lost many members since leaving FW QCATS1225704.7 <----- FW corp. Have continued to grow slowly over time.
(This is a slow month for QCATS, we usually have 70 more kills at this time)
If FW is dead, draketrain is dead. +1 to BOAE, Awesome Kill/member ratio.
QCATS is averaging 30-50% more FW kills this month than it ever has (90-110 (final blows and not just in on kms) on FW WTs per week). FW is dead.
Edit: What we're going to hear next is that the overall numbers of FW corps is nothing compared to the largest alliance in the game and this is definitely true. The reason you as an individual should get into FW, however, is that you're going to get lots of pvp - as much or more than draketrain (and "elite" pvp corp in null sec nowadays that is slowly dieing off in numbers) without having to pay tribute to your alliance overlords.
Have fun, get kills, be your own boss. What more could you ask for?
Draketrain member count has dropped yes, but our current focus is not to expand our corporation, it is to do co-operation with certain corporations and alliances and that has been very good strategy.
People want to do so much different things , care bearing, industry, 0.0 sov etc... but we try to organize pvp operations were everyone can participate if they have time from their own business.
example: http://draketrain.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10795869
As you can see there is many names from militia on our common operation, they are not draketrain but they still participate same ops.
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Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:45:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:
Pretty much. Perhaps if Froggies would stop pretending they are in for the "good fights" in enviroment where they have constant and overwhelming number superiority, along with blues with most pirate corps in the area, it would be less annoying to see them talk about their epeen here.
I wish Damar would stop trying to come across as the only person in FW who gives fair fights and EVERYONE else is doing it wrong except him.
Most of the tactics that you have complain about in this thread (& regularly) you have used on me at one time or another your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
But back to the OP with pretty much the removal of High Sec war dec's from now on FW is the best way of getting quick and cheap PVP. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:12:00 -
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Don't give in to the "null sec is more active" lie. FW low sec has the most active pvp in the game. Smaller sized fleets, but many more, engagements. More kills/system than 90% of null sec.
If you want to roam with 60 to 500 man "open ocean" fleets, head to null sec and get bored to tears. If you want lots of smaller scale pvp, 1 to 20 players, get into FW.
Are you ADHD? Head to FW. |
Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
13
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:18:00 -
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FW may not be dead, but is is definitely dying - at least on the minnie/ammarr front. I can't speak for the others, they might be very lucky.
October 2009 October 2010 October 2011
Most of these fights are no longer quality either, just unlucky people being ganked/station campers or people being bored and suiciding.
You can also see the general militia has died over time.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
7
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:27:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Don't give in to the "null sec is more active" lie. FW low sec has the most active pvp in the game. Smaller sized fleets, but many more, engagements. More kills/system than 90% of null sec.
If you want to roam with 60 to 500 man "open ocean" fleets, head to null sec and get bored to tears. If you want lots of smaller scale pvp, 1 to 20 players, get into FW.
Are you ADHD? Head to FW.
I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.
There is no reason to be in militia with your main, keep alt in to get missions, that is enough.
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Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:29:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:
The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.
Actually, they do count every kill a militia member participates in, even when they blow up their own cyno.
However, the way Bad Messenger presented his argument was dishonest. FW is still a good place to get a lot of PvP and a great opportunity to live in low sec. The roughly 300 active players per side are not going to compete with alliances that have 1000+ members getting kills from large fleet battles and POS modules. |
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:33:00 -
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Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Oh yeah FW is dead, bought to you by the daily mail and fox news You are a douchebag for bringing politics into a gaming forum.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
3
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:41:00 -
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Markius TheShed wrote:I wish Damar would stop trying to come across as the only person in FW who gives fair fights and EVERYONE else is doing it wrong except him.
Not really but I dont pretend something is a good fight when it was just a gank or that if I would go against 5 guys with 20, I expect them to stick around and fight (like frogs most of the time suggest people should do).
Bad Messenger wrote:I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.
Froggies just want to forget it and erase the history, like everything else which does not go according to their plans. After all, "history according to morons like X Gal" is nothing but gallente triumph after another and low-sec dd and other humiliations have never occurred. |
Lugalzagezi666
20
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:49:00 -
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Bengal Bob wrote:FW may not be dead, but is is definitely dying - at least on the minnie/ammarr front. I can't speak for the others, they might be very lucky. October 2009October 2010October 2011Most of these fights are no longer quality either, just unlucky people being ganked/station campers or people being bored and suiciding. You can also see the general militia has died over time.
This.
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Mehashi 'Kho
Fangs Of The Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:43:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Oh yeah FW is dead, bought to you by the daily mail and fox news You are a douchebag for bringing politics into a gaming forum. I didn't, it was a reference to sensationalist and overdramatic presentation. I don't care for politics. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:57:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote: I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.
There is no reason to be in militia with your main, keep alt in to get missions, that is enough.
So FW is no worse for pvp than anywhere else in Eve?
Reason No. 4 to join FW: You can make Damar cry on the forums. /thread
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Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
10
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:03:00 -
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Bengal Bob wrote:FW may not be dead, but is is definitely dying - at least on the minnie/ammarr front. I can't speak for the others, they might be very lucky. October 2009October 2010October 2011Most of these fights are no longer quality either, just unlucky people being ganked/station campers or people being bored and suiciding. You can also see the general militia has died over time.
Jesus Bob, just catching up on this thread and all I see is you bitching. Cmon man. When was the last time I saw you roaming for a fight?...?....2 months ago, maybe 3? Last time I saw you was that 50 man Mael gang to conquer ezz.
Yes, FLEET WARFARE in FW on the amarr minnie side has started to mimic the cal/gal side (no surprise) but solo and small gang is still alive and well, and YOU of all people should know.
It wasn't too long ago that I introduced you to my rail DD when you were thinking you were hot sh*t in your rff. you lost, we laughed, good times. Same when you spanked me in your rifter. FW is still full of good times if you make it that way.
As far a a pitch goes, it is really difficult to "pitch" something like FW. Best to just chat someone up about, have them tell you what they have done in the past and what they are doing now. I LOVE FW, absolutely adore it. Anyone reading this PLEASE feel free to convo me when I am online. I will tell you all about it.
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Garbad theWeak
17
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:20:00 -
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Thanks for the responses. I think I'm gonna give it a shot.
- Which faction would you recommend? I prefer small gang (4-12) but am confident soloing or bearhunting. Activity in early US prime time is the most important factor, both for my and my opponents. I lean gallente (fighting the noob zerg) or matar (lore), but I'd rather play for a small, cohesive group even if outnumbered.
- Any recommendations on corps that might consider accepting a pvp vet with proven skill/loyalty but who is new to FW?
- should I try to rebuild my terrible rep or just buy an alt? (Also, anyone selling a good alt :D) |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
3
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:26:00 -
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Garbad theWeak wrote:I lean gallente (fighting the noob zerg) or matar (lore), but I'd rather play for a small, cohesive group even if outnumbered.
What Zerg? Both Caldari and Amarr are outnumbered, especially in us tz. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:48:00 -
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I would recommend Caldari, they are outnumbered in USTZ, especially late. They do tend to get blobbed quite a bit , but for a vet getting blobbed by a bunch of noobs can be a good thing ;) For small gang I see them out quite often in 10 man fleets, but rarely anything smaller. I hope you enjoy it...i sure do...done just about everything else in eve and FW is the best place for small gang pew with out question. Enjoy.
Garbad theWeak wrote:Thanks for the responses. I think I'm gonna give it a shot.
- Which faction would you recommend? I prefer small gang (4-12) but am confident soloing or bearhunting. Activity in early US prime time is the most important factor, both for my and my opponents. I lean gallente (fighting the noob zerg) or matar (lore), but I'd rather play for a small, cohesive group even if outnumbered.
- Any recommendations on corps that might consider accepting a pvp vet with proven skill/loyalty but who is new to FW?
- should I try to rebuild my terrible rep or just buy an alt? (Also, anyone selling a good alt :D)
Is sexy time? |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
11
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:41:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:I would recommend Caldari, they are outnumbered in USTZ, especially late. They do tend to get blobbed quite a bit , but for a vet getting blobbed by a bunch of noobs can be a good thing ;) For small gang I see them out quite often in 10 man fleets, but rarely anything smaller. I hope you enjoy it...i sure do...done just about everything else in eve and FW is the best place for small gang pew with out question. Enjoy. Garbad theWeak wrote:Thanks for the responses. I think I'm gonna give it a shot.
- Which faction would you recommend? I prefer small gang (4-12) but am confident soloing or bearhunting. Activity in early US prime time is the most important factor, both for my and my opponents. I lean gallente (fighting the noob zerg) or matar (lore), but I'd rather play for a small, cohesive group even if outnumbered.
- Any recommendations on corps that might consider accepting a pvp vet with proven skill/loyalty but who is new to FW?
- should I try to rebuild my terrible rep or just buy an alt? (Also, anyone selling a good alt :D)
It's only good if you can get the vets to log on :) mostly it's a lot of smacking in local and poor intel on fleet #s |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
7
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:52:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.
There is no reason to be in militia with your main, keep alt in to get missions, that is enough.
So FW is no worse for pvp than anywhere else in Eve? Reason No. 4 to join FW: You can make Damar cry on the forums. /thread
Just opposite, FW is worst PVP in EVE.
It is full of people who thinks they know something about PVP but not many of them really do.
So if you are new player and want to learn to pvp FW is not right place for it, there is no one who can or will really teach something. If you are lucky you might get in some corp who know something but usually 'spy' problem prevents joining those corps.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:53:00 -
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its a trap |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
2
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Posted - 2011.10.21 10:00:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Garbad theWeak wrote:I lean gallente (fighting the noob zerg) or matar (lore), but I'd rather play for a small, cohesive group even if outnumbered. What Zerg? Both Caldari and Amarr are outnumbered, especially in us tz.
Wrong, the Minmatar US (and I believe EU as well) timezone is the weakest it has ever been.
For Minmatar USTZ - The Latenite Group is down to maybe 3-5 active players on any given day. - AUTOZ has maybe 5-10 active players, and we've been ignoring the Amarr mostly to spar with Pandemic Legion. - What other major USTZ Minmatar groups are there? Pretty much none, except for Valkyr Industries (part of the Latenite Group) who come on sporadically.
We pretty much can't muster more than 10 people to fight the Amarr during Minmatar USTZ and their usual fleets (Wolfsbrigade mostly) generally are 15+. vOv
At least, thats the way it seems to me lately.
WTF happened to the days of Gentlemanly Sparring where we'd end up getting 3-4 good rounds of 15+ man fleet combat EVERY NIGHT? )': |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 10:23:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:WTF happened to the days of Gentlemanly Sparring where we'd end up getting 3-4 good rounds of 15+ man fleet combat EVERY NIGHT? )':
FW turned into serious internet spaceships
Well, back in the day we hoped to bring it into attention that FW was in dire need of fixing but they did not listen. Like they never listened to anyone who actually participated in FW when they wanted suggestions for it... |
Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
14
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:29:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Bengal Bob wrote:FW may not be dead, but is is definitely dying - at least on the minnie/ammarr front. I can't speak for the others, they might be very lucky. October 2009October 2010October 2011Most of these fights are no longer quality either, just unlucky people being ganked/station campers or people being bored and suiciding. You can also see the general militia has died over time. Jesus Bob, just catching up on this thread and all I see is you bitching. Cmon man. When was the last time I saw you roaming for a fight?...?....2 months ago, maybe 3? Last time I saw you was that 50 man Mael gang to conquer ezz. Yes, FLEET WARFARE in FW on the amarr minnie side has started to mimic the cal/gal side (no surprise) but solo and small gang is still alive and well, and YOU of all people should know. It wasn't too long ago that I introduced you to my rail DD when you were thinking you were hot sh*t in your rff. you lost, we laughed, good times. Same when you spanked me in your rifter. FW is still full of good times if you make it that way.
I am bitter vetting nowadays, it seems I can frig roam for 4-6hours and still find nothing. I did take a month off in Oz, but still roam now I am back. Solo is super hard to find and fleet fights are mostly boring if in bs. I have moved away from the huola cluster, as it is largely station games. I will come find you then for some fun on the weekend :) |
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:37:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote: So if you are new player and want to learn to pvp FW is not right place for it, there is no one who can or will really teach something.
The part in bold is just plain untrue. There are plenty of people around willing to train. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
206
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:57:00 -
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It is untrue in fact. I get so many convos from people asking me to learn about FW or just ask general militia questions and I love to answer them. There's more people here that do the same. All this knowledge is passed from the old generation to the new generation of militia pilots.
When I was fresh meat in the militia, people took me under their wing and taught me everything I know today. I still hang out with these people and EVE truly is EVE for me today because of those people. |
Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:25:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: So if you are new player and want to learn to pvp FW is not right place for it, there is no one who can or will really teach something.
The part in bold is just plain untrue. There are plenty of people around willing to train.
Of course it's untrue, like most of his bittervet statements in this thread have been. Bad Messenger is just trying to live up to his character name - being a bad messenger. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
67
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:09:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Bengal Bob wrote:FW may not be dead, but is is definitely dying - at least on the minnie/ammarr front. I can't speak for the others, they might be very lucky. October 2009October 2010October 2011Most of these fights are no longer quality either, just unlucky people being ganked/station campers or people being bored and suiciding. You can also see the general militia has died over time. This.
If I recall there was a general decrease in pvp since dominion. (insurance nerf? Null sec changes? we can all speculate) So I wonder how this compares to the general decrease in pvp in eve.
Just considering the decrease in active players in eve as a whole I'm not sure fw is doing worse than other ways to get pvp.
It might be, I'm just not sure.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:32:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:The part in bold is just plain untrue. There are plenty of people around willing to train.
Now, if there only would be enough people willing to learn... (actually serious here)
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Mara Abraham
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:47:00 -
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Good day:
I was in Minmatar faction warfare from October 2010 to September 2011 (leaving to join The Tuskers, and get into pure piracy).
I concur with Bengal Bob (one of Minmatar faction warfare's finest solo pilots, who also does fleet up) and Vordak Kallager (who has such positive notoriety -- if there is such a thing -- that you have people in Minmatar FW that want to have his children) that Minmatar vs. Amarr (and sometimes Caldari) FW has declined to a large degree.
The number of solo pilots on each side declined leaving less and less targets. Some of the corps on both sides would take advantage of that and use what appeared to be solo (bait) and then land on the solo pilot with such overwhelming numbers (or ship class advantage) that it was mind numbing.
So solo pilots stuck to fighting absolute known solo counter parts unless you felt comfortable your target might not be bait; and hoped you were correct.
On the fleeting side, there are a number of extremely competent fleet commanders. But due to RL issues (which may also have included a degree of burn out with being an FC -- a very hard, and often under appreciated job -- as well as frustration with Eve), the FC's were not on with any consistent basis (i.e. you can count on a fleet being run by so and so every x -- i.e. day, week, month, day of week, time, etc.).
And some corporations do not run mixed militia fleets; which meant that the corp in question has good FC's and they run on some consistency, if you were not in their corp, tough.
So on the Minmatar side, fleets tended to be small; and (at least when I was in Minmatar FW), frigate to cruiser in size often running with no shiny ships. From time to time (it became rare as time went on), there would be a BC fleet.
On the Amarr side, they typically ran fleets every single day; and they were relatively consistent on the times of day (which did help if you liked to solo since you had a general idea when a large Amarr fleet was out and about even if you didn't watch intel channels like a hawk).
The Amarr fleets tended to have logi whether it be a single neutral alt running in a scimitar or multiple guardians. They would often run so much logi that the Minmatar could not counter the fleets and would therefore station spin (and as Bengal Bob pointed out, only the unfortunate who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time would be ganked -- and the Amarr would congratulation themselves on how great they are at piloting).
When they would not run medium to large logi gangs, they would overship (compared to what the MInmatar was flying) bringing out multiple Machariels, Tengu's, Cynabals, and other shiny ships.
You would have Mystical Might's Corporation station camping Auga 3rd (and for a while Vard top station) for hours on end with instant locking Machariels, Tengus, or Cynabals blowing up ships and pods alike -- again often smacking in local how great they are as pilots and how terrible it is to be a Minmatar faction warrior.
When Mystical Might and his corp mates were not station camping, they would often chase around solo pilots who were in much lesser classed ships smacking them in local as to why they don't want to 1v1.
There are other issues as well.
All of them led me to looking at getting out of FW rather than crossing FW sides. For me, I picked The Tuskers who have an extremely good track record of being family oriented, professional, and (from a pure pirate's point of view) honorable.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info/ * http://evepiratelife.com/ |
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