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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:14:00 -
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Kharamete wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:There is a simple litmus test for multi-boxing, does CCP make money from them?
Mate, CCP would make billions more than they do now if they made pvp in High Sec consensual and introduced raids and arenas and a theme park. It would attract a lot more players than the current vision.
Can you cite any evidence for this at all?
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mr ed thehouseofed
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:24:00 -
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doomlord289 wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:As for why I feel that way...The commands are sent to each account simultaneously. A normal human wouldn't be able to alt-tab between 40 separate accounts and trigger each on it's own within the same time frame. Oh really?
real gamers only need one toon-á |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:29:00 -
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should it be banned? yes absolutely.
will it be badden? no because it's used by people who pay CCP for a lot of subs. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:45:00 -
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Multiboxing is evil.
You use a tool to do something you couldn't humanly do without.
Sometimes I manage two basilisks + 1 dps and I lead my fleet, manually. I know that I'm less efficient than three players, but it's how things are balanced.
Why should my corporation be threatened by a single person coming to us with equal number, without any strategy, no ship variation, just a big blob of the same ships alphaing us ? Is it a good example to attract new people into the game ? To tell them than the OP fleet is the one controlled by one person with perfect alpha (even more perfect than if you had multiple players) ?
(PS : For flamers lacking a target, this is a theoretical question, not something that happened to us)
G££ <= Me |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:49:00 -
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oh look, this thread again.
like a month ago, we had 2 of these. ccp said multiboxing was fine and that was the end of it.
why hasn't this thread been locked for duplicate thread/lack of content etc?
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Ge Hucel-Ge
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:50:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:should it be banned? yes absolutely.
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then pls ban all those (logitech/razer) macro keyboards too. because everything that people complain about here can be done with these keyboards too.
keyboard + mouse input for multiple clients at the same time is no problem with one keyboard. you just have to dig a little bit deeper in the macro mechanics.
it may not be as comfortable and easy to setup as a real multiboxing software but it works fine. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:25:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:why hasn't this thread been locked for duplicate thread/lack of content etc?
ISD is off enjoying their weekend?
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:40:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Danni stark wrote:why hasn't this thread been locked for duplicate thread/lack of content etc? ISD is off enjoying their weekend?
can't blame them, i think moderating GD would send any one bat **** crazy.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kharamete wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:There is a simple litmus test for multi-boxing, does CCP make money from them?
Mate, CCP would make billions more than they do now if they made pvp in High Sec consensual and introduced raids and arenas and a theme park. It would attract a lot more players than the current vision. Can you cite any evidence for this at all?
Yes. Different things. First...
http://www.alteredgamer.com/pc-gaming/35992-mmo-subscriber-populations/
http://mmodata.blogspot.se/
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png
These numbers are kind of old, and the subscriber count of one mmo doesn't neatly match the subscriber count of the next one. That goes with the territory for these things.
You will see that even MMO:s that are considered great failures, such as SWTOR have many times the subscriber count than Eve does. In SWTOR's case, in 2012, they had around 2 million subscribers. I do not know what the subscriber count for SWTOR is today.
Second...
Personal experience in trying to introduce this game to friends and coworkers over the years. If I've succeeded in getting 20 people to try it, maybe 4 stayed, the others cited varying reasons for going back to WoW - amongst others not knowing what to do.
Third...
From an indirect sort of market research assumption kind of thing, the fact that nearly all the MMO projects tend to settle on the theme park model tells me that the project researchers probably find that it makes for the easiest profitability. The numbers say that these games have the highest chance for high subscription numbers, and in addition they're not so nightmarishly technical to pull off. Case in point, the next big thing - The Elder Scrolls Online - is a sharded theme park MMO, not a same-server PVP oriented one.
Look, I like Eve the way it is. But Eve is a niche game for a reason. It's fine. I'd love if more games tried to get a niche instead of trying to break WoW's subscriber counts. But the logic and evidence just doesn't support the idea that Eve would be a massive, multi-million account MMO without so serious intervention and change that it would destroy what makes it Eve.
All that, however, is incredibly off topic, so I'll drop it, and just point out, again, that IsBoxer is bad for Eve, under the current model where player interaction and gang play should be awarded. |
Zilero
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:18:00 -
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I have no problem with people multiboxing.
I do have a problem with people using out of game software to enhance their multiboxing capabilities.
CCP, please ban ISboxer and similar software. |
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Jake Tzestu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:25:00 -
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If you ban this then should you also ban programmable keyboards as they also complete multiple commands on a single action.
Once the ban hammer starts whos gonna stop it...?!? |
Xayder
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
250
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:33:00 -
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this topic again
I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:56:00 -
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Blob of 20 people with 20 ships is still better than blob of 20 ships controlled by isboxer. Assuming those 20 people aren't drooling idiots. Which is the general demographic of those who want to see isboxer banned.
Isboxer:
Can't really do combined arms fleets. 1 or 2 shiptypes at best.
If a char de-syncs from the rest, he's toast.
Can't manually fly. If you start double clicking in space, you will almost always accidentally click a celestial with at least 1 char and de-sync.
If reloads get out of sync, your guns stop working and you WONT notice.
If you get jammed, you will not notice and you can not easily re-lock.
Can't retreat single damaged ships, you have to move the fleet as a whole. If you start trying to do things like that you'll just get de-sync effects and lose ships.
A fleet of real people have none of these problems. Assuming the fleet of real people is operating at the best possible level of ability, and the isboxer fleet is also operating at the best possible level of ability, the real fleet will wipe the floor with isboxed. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:17:00 -
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The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:ISBoxer player basically Alpha striking their POS, I started to look into this and it does destroy the safety of High sec for carebears.
What a terrible lie. Also highsec isn't supposed to be completely safe.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:38:00 -
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The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:I started to look into this and it does destroy the safety of High sec for carebears. Good. Highsec needs to have its safety levels decreased a fair amount as it is.
Quote:This is just like botting is it not? No. There is no automation in it.
Quote:So shouldn't this be banned? Since it doesn't break any rules, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:So shouldn't this be banned? Since it doesn't break any rules, no.
Inner Space does break the client modification rule with the way it runs Inner Space extensions. That's how Team Security is able to detect some bots that use Inner Space. But considering that CCP isn't being very strict on enforcing the EULA (see the stance on cache scraping) I guess you can't necessarily base an argument around that.
The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
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Posted - 2013.05.12 13:49:00 -
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Oh Gods, not this again. Seriously! Use the search function before you throw up another thread.
Also, no. There is literally no reason to.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Diasaster
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Posted - 2013.05.12 13:57:00 -
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this old thread again. I highly suggest anyone calling for bans goes to the ISboxer/innerspace website and takes them up on their FREE 7 day trial of the software. Get yourself educated in what it actually offers and then maybe you can formulate a well educated opinion on the subject worth sharing with others.
Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.
Im currently training 10 alts to ISbox vanguard sites. If ISboxer gets banned that's -ú1790 CCP will loose ina year from just myself. Yes -ú179 for 12 plex, so 179x12 really does mean -ú1790. Now lets assume there are only 20 other people out there which do the same. 1790x20 = -ú35800. That's 1 high paid programmer, or 2 lesser minions yearly wages.
Lets be honest ISboxer nets CCP a lot of income. Controversial maybe, but still a increase in income.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:06:00 -
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The Ninja Gizmosis wrote: the safety of High sec for carebears 
Oh god. |
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
Darkspawn.
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:14:00 -
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Devs have posted multiple times in multiple threads or blogs that ISBoxer is not against the EULA itself and have made it crystal f'ing clear that ISBoxer is not an exploit, botting, or any other kind of malicious software for EvE.
No, I wont do the legwork for you and link the mentioned blog, posts or anything else cuz youre too damn lazy to do it yourself. |
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:17:00 -
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didn't they also say they wanted to make things easier for multiboxers regarding setting up the ui and such things?
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2871
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:22:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Yes -ú179 for 12 plex, so 179x12 really does mean -ú1790.
No it doesn't, it means -ú2148.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
18
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:26:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:
Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.
Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs.
The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:28:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:
Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.
Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs.
because you're paying for the convenience of not having to set a bunch of macros yourself. just like i pay some one else to mow my garden when i already own a lawn mower.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:36:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Rosewalker wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:
Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.
Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs. because you're paying for the convenience of not having to set a bunch of macros yourself. just like i pay some one else to mow my garden when i already own a lawn mower.
But there's more, right? Who'd pay what is effectively a subscription for something that basically only needs to be done one time?
The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2871
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:40:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:But there's more, right? Who'd pay what is effectively a subscription for something that basically only needs to be done one time?
Not everyone is able to do that, which is why convenient programs such as ISboxer exist.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:40:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Danni stark wrote:Rosewalker wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:
Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.
Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs. because you're paying for the convenience of not having to set a bunch of macros yourself. just like i pay some one else to mow my garden when i already own a lawn mower. But there's more, right? Who'd pay what is effectively a subscription for something that basically only needs to be done one time?
i think you underestimate how much people will pay to be lazy.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:04:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thread closed.
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