You can get podded anywhere and everywhere, its part of the game. Why should duels clarify this before the engagement ? You agreed to shoot and kill each other, this includes your pod as well.

They shouldn't have to, its common sense.

Its not CCP's fault you don't read things. We all had plently of warning before the changes hit.

I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.

People have been getting podded in high sec for the last decade. We dont need a wall of text that nobody will read to tell us that sitting in your pod after a fight is a very bad idea.

Its simply not needed.

Nobody reads it to start with, adding even more will do nothing.

The info is already out there and has been for months before retribution even hit sisi. Its a pointless waste of time.

Even better idea! Your ship explodes, but becomes unlootable. So long as you get back to it in your (unpoppable) pod, you can repair it and hop back in!

We can offset how OP that would be by causing some module damage that you need to dock up to fix.

All for one extra PLEX a month. Think of the extra subs and $$$ CCP would get!




Ohh, also, I propose that anyone under 2.5mil SP be immune to PVP unless they choose to engage. Yaknow, for the newbies.

Actually, I'm not even trying to make an argument. I'm mocking people who didn't realize they were playing EVE. You know, hard cold game where your day can be ruined....

If you need a special dialogue box warning you that your pod can be popped when engaging in combat, well...

It already tells you that the fight is a limited engagement and that concord will not get involved. If people stick around in their pod and get whacked its their own daft fault.

No concord protection means no concord protection. You are literally given 2 warnings, a third is simply not needed.

Dev time, no matter how little should not be wasted on things that do not require fixing.

Appeal to Tradition: (also "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"). The fallacy that a standpoint, situation or action is right, proper and correct simply because it has "always" been that way, because people have "always" thought that way, or because it continues to serve one particular group very well.. A corrupted argument from ethos (that of past generations). (E.g., "In America, women have always been paid less, so let's not mess with long-standing tradition."). The reverse of this is yet another fallacy, the "Appeal to Innovation," e.g., "It's NEW, and [therefore it must be] improved!"

1st warning: Limited engagement.

2nd warning: No concord intervention.

I'll give this much, the term "limited engagement" is kind of misleading. It implies that there's some sort of limitation between two parties in combat....like, no podding.

I honestly have no clue of a better way to phrase what's happening, though. Just dropping the "limited" part would likely help. Call it a "pilot engagement" and leave it there.

Because you have no case for adding it.

We already have warning in place that most of us understood months ago when CCP punkturis uttered the words limited engagement. The people who dont understand only have themselves to blame and anyone who falls for it a second time cannot be helped. The automatic responce when you lose your pod is to get of grid as fast as possible anyway, sticking around is just asking for trouble.

Why? There's no confirmation window that appears after you hit "jump" instead of "bridge".

Or you can read it before saying yes.

"Would you like to [action]?"
[Yes] [No]
"Are you sure?"
[Yes] [No]
"Are you sure that you are sure?"
[Yes] [No]
"You might not be sure enough. You will be given time to make sure that you are sure. Initiating 24-hour action intention countdown timer."
[Okay]

Welcome to EVE!

Seriously though, many ~bittervets~ really hate the idea of duels to begin with. They're just so...WoWlike. The old system of canflipping and such let you pull of many interesting (and scummy) tricks.

Anyway, why tell someone flat-out, when learning by experience is much more enjoyable? It only takes one good pod-loss, then you know better. If we follow the "warning box" idea, then contracts, direct trades, market hub local, and other such things would need a warning attached.


Piggy brings up a good point too. If you PVP with a cheap pod, then getting podded is no biggy. It's only when you have a headfull of +5's and other silly things does it sting.

LOL

All of which give one warning, just like duels.

I've said it before and I'll say it again here: CCP should just remove this whole pvp thing from the game to fix all of its problems in one fell swoop.

There is for they guy on the other end.

You get the same amount of warning as a titan pilot does with his jump option.

So I went back and checked this claim.
I don't see how anybody could click it by mistake. You have to right click on their ship, go down to Pilot which opens up a secondary menu, and then go all the way down to the last option on the list to invite them to duel. The option is directly below form fleet with and capture portrait.

So why are there confirmations for:

buying an 20,000 isk item at 1 billion isk
entering lowsec
plugging in an implant
going yellow safety
going red safety
ejecting from your ship
...many others

I hate the idea of duels as well. I was appalled when I got back because I actually thought Limited Engagements meant the fight would go down to 1 health, not ship loss. I have been pleased, however, to see that this is not the case. But I am not supportive of the pod killing thing though I wouldn't remove it -- all I ask for is that it should be there to inform people that pod killing is allowed.

But if you say it like that, "why tell someone flat-out, when learning by experience is much more enjoyable? It only takes one good pod-loss, then you know better." then I am fine with retreating my case and will bid farewell to this thread as I also support that spirit of EVE. But I will say this, I am not saying a new warning box should be added to everything now just to tell the person "Wait! You might be doing something wrong. Be sure to know this: [clarifications go here]". I was actually arguing from the stance that there is already a dialog box for informing the user of a duel request so a simple line of text clarifying pod killing would be easy to add in and it would not change anything for most people except those who do not know that Limited Engagements also allow pod killing.