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without	Posted - 2005.10.13 14:17:00 - [61] all those caldari pilots got fat off eating livestock, long limbs and drinking spiced wine and quafe all payed for with their i win button agent runnig machine a while back so the extra mass of an average caldari pilot makes the ship slower? or maybe missiles dont need,use tracking so speed isnt a factor so they can offord to use more power to other things than speed
Tido Maliyu	Posted - 2005.10.13 14:28:00 - [62] i hear people saying it doesnt need speed like the minmatar because they have missiles... well speed wouldnt help them very much would it? so why take it away -------------------------- 0_o? Draximus Cane: wheat barley kill anything? are you oats of your mind? I corn belive you just said that, rice I'm off to bed now!
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2005.10.13 15:37:00 - [63] Gallente should be the fastest because we dont have the choice of missiles like the others. Blaster r very hard to get into range in a thorax not to talk about tracking problems. but a rupture can have the choices of autos and missiles and hes faster.
TekGnosis	Posted - 2005.10.13 16:38:00 - [64] I'm replying to this thread as it seems to have the most relavence to my observation. I am a n00b. Been playing 1 month. I picked calderi because long range and shield seemed like a good thing... After reading this forum I think I might have picked the race that got screwed... My question is: Given that I'm calderi, what can I go after that will result in reasonable success? Are there ships/techniques that offset these calderi limitations? Just looking for a general recommendation from the experienced calderi out there.
John Blackthorn	Posted - 2005.10.13 17:34:00 - [65] Several of you are just over-anylizing the reason. It's simple. A long time ago Black Birds and Scorpians ruled the game. There ability to use missles for good damage and ecm/scramble an opponent at the same time. Thus many many people were using them, and ccp wanted to balance the ship types out a bit. However, since the ecm changes, and missle changes they should really be restored. I really dislike the scorpian being the last ship to warp out in every gang i've been in. Even slower than all the t2 battleships.
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.13 20:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Ithildin Mass: density. What weighs most 1 litre feathers or 1 litre lead? wrong question. the correct question is "what weighs most: a litle of fancy electronics or a litre of mah00sive armor plating?" -- This Zig. For great justice!
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.10.13 20:29:00 - [67] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ithildin Mass: density. What weighs most 1 litre feathers or 1 litre lead? wrong question. the correct question is "what weighs most: a litle of fancy electronics or a litre of mah00sive armor plating?" I can't be blamed for inferior Caldari sensor and shield designs wheat barley kill anything? are you oats of your mind? I corn belive you just said that, rice I'm off to bed
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.13 20:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ithildin Mass: density. What weighs most 1 litre feathers or 1 litre lead? wrong question. the correct question is "what weighs most: a litle of fancy electronics or a litre of mah00sive armor plating?" I can't be blamed for inferior Caldari sensor and shield designs nor can i please denerf my ships -- This Zig. For great justice!
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.13 20:40:00 - [69] I fear one reason was the blackbird and the other the Scorpion BB used to fly about 5km/s with an mwd, especially when you could land 60km from a gate back then (every gate had different warp in points) you could easily avoid to get killed (at least I never died when I ran, only when the ******* Damps caused CTD). Also the speed records people made with 8x mwd scorps (36km/s anyone?) might be a reason :D After all it was a sad day when the bb became a bricket, cause I choosed caldari cause of their versatility, their xploits and the speed. Well nothing left, execpt my Cruise missle kestrels I fly through empire from time to time -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Meridius	Posted - 2005.10.13 23:32:00 - [70] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ithildin Mass: density. What weighs most 1 litre feathers or 1 litre lead? wrong question. the correct question is "what weighs most: a litle of fancy electronics or a litre of mah00sive armor plating?" Not really the point imo. If the designers of the ship didn't care about speed because they were long range/ew boats then they would not go out of there way to make them light. Look at the Crow, it's fast and light because it has to be. ________________________________________________________

Weirda	Posted - 2005.10.13 23:42:00 - [71] Edited by: Weirda on 13/10/2005 23:43:12 the pumps dont' work cuz' the vandals took the handles... AND Originally by: Meridius Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ithildin Mass: density. What weighs most 1 litre feathers or 1 litre lead? wrong question. the correct question is "what weighs most: a litle of fancy electronics or a litre of mah00sive armor plating?" Not really the point imo. If the designers of the ship didn't care about speed because they were long range/ew boats then they would not go out of there way to make them light. Look at the Crow, it's fast and light because it has to be. Meridius is right here. furthermore - balance > then any other intrinsic question that you may ask about whether or not caldari ship 'should' be lighter because of lack of armor, size, etc... a ship that is not affected by tracking - or reliant on 'hitting' it target to do it job (ew boat) should NOT be able to zip around untouchable while dealing full damage or fulfilling it role. interceptor are allowed to do that because that is what they are... -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Henry Fredyericus	Posted - 2005.10.16 19:24:00 - [72] ...I believe this and many have confirmed that the most simple and obvious reason is: Almost all of the caldari ship pilots forget to pull in their ship anchor So what do you expect...
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.16 23:23:00 - [73] Edited by: Kyguard on 16/10/2005 23:23:43 Its simple matter really. Caldari require a lot of space to have those built-in sensor strength upgrades and all those sensors. If they were moving too fast, the little antennae might snap off, plunge into the bridge of the ship, and "pod" you. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2005.10.17 02:01:00 - [74] actually my caracal was a pretty speedy ship comapred to any other cruiser cept a minmatar cruiser.. and my raven is more agile than other BSes.. could be me, maybe u should try training your navigation skills --- When It Absolutely Positively Has To Be Desotroyed.
The Hanz	Posted - 2005.10.17 06:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Kyguard Edited by: Kyguard on 16/10/2005 23:23:43 Its simple matter really. Caldari require a lot of space to have those built-in sensor strength upgrades and all those sensors. If they were moving too fast, the little antennae might snap off, plunge into the bridge of the ship, and "pod" you. Since when are "volume" and "mass" the same?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.10.17 07:03:00 - [76] The real reason Caldari ships got hit with a huge mass/velocity penalty was because of their midslots, technically with their more midslot designed ships, they -could- be much faster than Minmatar ships, thus they got majorly gimped in the speed department.. Of course, since you can only fit 1 speed mod now, the huge mass on Caldari ships really isn't needed anymore, but I doubt CCP will change it anytime soon. ------ If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.17 08:16:00 - [77] Edited by: The Wizz117 on 17/10/2005 08:18:12 THA RAVEN!: -slowest targeting -worste agility -worst mag propulsion -to few cargo cap(missiles take m3) -shields have 20% less base resistance (chek info on any ship and see the difrence between base shield recistancse and base armour resisctance) -shield are way less effficient -the recharge rate of shields is only in the advantage of armour tanking: they can let theyr buffer recharge before aggroing the next group/going to next gate. shield tankers can not do this with theyr armour and therfor never let the damage go into armour. and in combat those very few HP wont make a damn difrend. -shield has less HP -there is no missile ship with 8 launcher HP -raven sucks @ mining -if u use turrets you can put your guns on any other bs but if u use missiles, u can not just switch bs couse only 1/4 of the ships use missiles. this also goes for armour tanking: you can armour tank your apoc and your geddon and your tempest, a raven pilot would have to train all the armour and shield tanking skilz. -ravens can't use cap boosters couse of cap -the 10% missile velocity bonus sucks -ravens never have enough cpu -raven does not have damage mods (only BCU wich sucks couse the T2 version can not be fitted couse it useds way to much cpu) (no,tracking comps, target painters and webifiers dont work on missiles and are all designed for turrets) the raven got all these dis-advantages to make up for the missiles, and the missiles are worse then turrets: so lets give it al the advantages now double the cargo cap double the targeting speed +2 launcher HP a good ship bonus good damage moduls for med and low mining missiles wich have a beter yield then lasers +20% recistance, armour recharging,more HP more agility more mag propulsion etc i think they should alter the login movie where it says "that the caldary are the strongest of em all"
DarK	Posted - 2005.10.17 08:20:00 - [78] Solution: Mining Missiles.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.10.17 08:21:00 - [79] Well technically painters do work for missiles, not to nitpick. In all honesty, I have no issue with the Raven. It doesn't need speed or agility to perform its job. Some of the other Caldari ships are pretty silly though. For gods sake the Caracal has more mass than a Maller. Look at the Caracal, then look at the Maller. Yes I understand they don't want a missile boat being super fast to just outrange everything, thats fine, but where in heck does all the mass come from?! For a ship that looks like a stick and has crappy armor it sure tips the scales. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula


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