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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:01:00 -
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Quote:Eram GÇô The Sebiestor Tribe has announced that it plans to send two tribal delegates to monitor the trial of accused mass-shooter Gerne Broteau. Broteau's attack left 59 dead, including Sebiestor Tribal Chief Karin Midular.
In a statement, the Sebiestor Tribe announced, GÇ£Though the Federation has so-far refused to hand the murderer of our Tribal Chief over to us, we will not allow justice to go unserved. The Tribe will send two of our own delegates to observe the trial and ensure that it proceeds appropriately. The killer of our Ray of Matar shall not be allowed the comfort of a trial where he does not have to face those he so grievously wounded.GÇ¥
The Caille District Court has announced that it has approved the Tribe's request and will allow the two delegates to sit in on all hearings. One delegate will be assigned to the prosecution, while another will be assigned to the defense. The court has also stated that both will be in strictly observatory roles and will not be allowed to attempt to influence anyone involved in the case.
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Now we are talking. Too bad it took the idiocy in Colelie to get this far. |
Innocent Mind
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:13:00 -
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I cant help but think this is happening in Spite of Colelie, not because of it. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Viro Mors Non Est
451
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:16:00 -
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Yes, because the Sebiestor Tribe wouldn't have been able to send people to observe the trial without the Republic having first invaded the Federation Right? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
441
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:28:00 -
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Well, possibly, you are both correct. Still, if these joint efforts for justice would have happened immediately, instead of the foolish statement by Federation Supreme Court about how they do not trust Republic courts to be fair, maybe no one would have felt the need to go to Colelie in the first place. |
Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
159
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:36:00 -
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Perhaps my literacy skills aren't what they should be, but all I read was:
"We will be sending people to ensure we get the verdict and sentence we expect. If all should not go according to our political demands, there will be another Colelie."
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Alexis Valentyne
Federal Assistance Bureau
1133
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:39:00 -
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I am sure that if Broteau was handed over to the Republic in the heat of the moment he would have been barbarically executed. As I have said, with such a sensitive investigation, it takes time to dot the Is and cross the Ts. The District Court has been very fair in this instance to go along with the Tribe's request, so here's hoping for a smooth settlement going forward.
I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. |
Draqone an'Alreigh
EVE University
Ivy League
22
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:43:00 -
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Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? 
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
446
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:58:00 -
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Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two?
Those two are there to observe the process of the court, Captain an'Arleigh. This is a matter of justice, not of vengeance. Please be respectful of that.
Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiesto Tribe |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
495
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:02:00 -
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By their wording, the Sebiestor Tribe still treats this as a Minmatar and only Minmatar crime. |
Alexis Valentyne
Federal Assistance Bureau
1133
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:03:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.
I have every faith that our courts will have Broteau feel the full force of justice, Ms. Rhiannon. I simply question whether that will be enough to satisfy the appetites of your still emotionally raw counterparts.
I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
47
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:05:00 -
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Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two?
One would think you doubt the ability of the Federal Authorities to maintain Security at such a High Profile Event. |
Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
3
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:31:00 -
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Derek Quaid wrote:Perhaps my literacy skills aren't what they should be, but all I read was:
"We will be sending people to ensure we get the verdict and sentence we expect. If all should not go according to our political demands, there will be another Colelie."
Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling this will be the case as well.
I really hope that the delegates are there to observe that the trial goes according to the law...but I thanks to recent events I'm very skeptical. It makes me sad |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
Electus Matari
1024
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:47:00 -
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Well, this is welcome news. Hopefully the delegates keep us posted with developments.
"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
936
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:58:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? Those two are there to observe the process of the court, Captain an'Arleigh. This is a matter of justice, not of vengeance. Please be respectful of that. Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor. Elsebeth Rhiannon Sebiesto Tribe
The irony, you criticise the Federation for criticising the Republic judicial system then make threats should the Federal judicial system not live up to your personal expectations?
Seriously the hypocrisy is rife with you these days Elsebeth.
Enjoy your gaming.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1554
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:20:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.
The time for a feud is already now. Colelie made sure of that.
It is my understanding of the Federal judicial system to determine whether or not an accused is guilty. Innocent until proven guilty. That means Mr Broteau is not proven guilty yet. That the Federation has decided to put him on trial does not necessarily mean he is the one who committed the crime, hence the whole reason for the trial in the first place. There is still the chance, however likely or not, that this is not the mass murderer.
The wording of many of your fellow Sebiestor and Minmatar suggests that they already consider the accused guilty and seek a pound of flesh. This is likely part of why the Federation outright refused his extradition. Perhaps the Sebiestor and Republic should cease the saber rattling and cyno jumping. Open your ears, not your mouths.
I strongly suggest that the Sebiestor tribe pay close attention to this trial not just for the outcome... but for how it is undertaken. A guilty or innocent verdict means nothing if the trial itself is just smoke and mirrors. This isn't to say I believe it would be. I simply state that there is quite obviously more going on behind the scenes than we understand. I have a feeling the next few weeks will be quite interesting on this topic.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly
385
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Posted - 2013.05.12 20:56:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Too bad it took the idiocy in Colelie to get this far.
Idiocy? Whose? It was an act of war.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
929
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:02:00 -
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When dealing with a child, you do not give them what they want after they throw a temper tantrum about it. Such an action would only lead to more temper tantrums and the inability to deal with things not going their way when they get older.
So not only did the Republic launch a failed invasion, they are still getting part of what they wanted out of it.
The fact that we are letting Sebeistor diplomats merely observe the trial is already being very generous about this. Which only prove that the Federation is working a lot harder to keep this "alliance" going, despite the Republic needing it significantly more.
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly
385
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:02:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiesto Tribe
GÇ£Refuse justice.GÇ¥ Let me paraphrase.
Unless you do what we want, when we want, how we want, we will strike at you again.
The Caille District Court in their desire to appease have done a great disservice to those who have already fallen victim to Tribal arrogance and cultural bigotry.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Nerva Auris
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
7
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:15:00 -
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One hopes the Federation will take care to ensure that the Delegates are unarmed, lest they decide to start executing officers of the court for failing to pursue the case vigorously enough to satisfy 'Tribal Justice'. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1130
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:45:00 -
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This would happen no matter if the Colelie happend or not. |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:30:00 -
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Nerva Auris wrote:One hopes the Federation will take care to ensure that the Delegates are unarmed, lest they decide to start executing officers of the court for failing to pursue the case vigorously enough to satisfy 'Tribal Justice'.
Tribal Justice!
Of course not!
No we would simply have done it exactly the same way the Feds carry out their justice for Anvent Eturrer.
*coughs*
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Anvent_Eturrer
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" Foiritan then revealed Eturrer had been injected with a chemical agent that immolated when exposed to sound of a specific frequency. When prompted, the crowd unleashed screams and yells that were converted into the proper frequency, causing Eturrer's body to be gruesomely destroyed. Eturrer howled in pain during the process, but his screams were drowned out by the noise from the crowd"
*coughs*
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle)
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""The traitor's body has been injected with a chemical that will respond to sound waves of a certain frequency. We are going to monitor the voices of the people here tonight, filter them, and pipe them over the traitor. If they are loud enough, the chemical mixture will be activated. Your voices will be heard."
""One last thing, people of the Federation. We took great care in preparing this chemical and inserting it into the traitor. It will disrupt, alight, or otherwise distort a number of cell clusters in his body. Cells are small, and a few disruptions would not do much. But we paid heed to history. The chemical was made to infect one cluster for each of the individual whose lives this traitor led to loss.
"This is your call, my fellow citizens. This is your moment."
The receptors activated. The crowd's voices crashed on it like a tsunami.
On the vidscreens, Eturrer's body dismantled itself in an orgy of immolation. His skin bubbled, reddened, smoked and burst; his hair self-alit, and his bones bulged and rippled as tumors and other malignant growths forced themselves through the soft flesh of his organs and tore their way to freedom. Eturrer's mouth opened to let Eturrer's voice through, but his screams were lost in the crowd."
That would have suffice.
;-) |
Julianus Soter
Moira.
Villore Accords
143
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:32:00 -
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So much life lost for a meaningless postponement of the accused's trial date... We will monitor proceedings as well for any irregularities. We must ensure full transparency in the trial for there to be no doubt about the propriety of the justice system. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
Interstellar Online Network
1462
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:13:00 -
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Next week's news: Courtroom mysteriously explodes. 
Seriously, they send fifteen dreadnaughts to invade your nation and just a few days later your inviting them over for tea. When are you going to learn, really? I am filled with disappointment. For all the flaws of the Federation I never considered "dim witted" to be one of them - they're usually pretty smart people.
So I'm going to assume that you're going to be scanning both of these "observers" for transfusion explosives in their bodies. I'm sure the Black Eagles can handle that without batting an eyelash, yes?
Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á
A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |
Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
6
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:38:00 -
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I'm just curious, Jelani Akinyemi Affonso, but based on the what the Republic has done, wouldn't the shooter have been treated worse had he been given over to your government? |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.05.13 01:52:00 -
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What do you mean Kytre Aurgnet?
I believe I have already provided an answer when I responded to Auris earlier.
We simply would have done the same as the Federation did to Anvent Eturrer. No more no less.
I'm sure that the Federation would not have any problems with it. They could even send observers to make sure we follow everything by the book.
Unless, you consider us doing the same thing to be any more worse by your standards.
would that not be ok with you Aurgnet? |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
944
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Posted - 2013.05.13 02:12:00 -
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"We'll just emulate our allies at their absolute worst moment in modern history!"
Yes because that is completely the attitude to take, damned idiot.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
163
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Posted - 2013.05.13 03:27:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:What do you mean Kytre Aurgnet?
I believe I have already provided an answer when I responded to Auris earlier.
We simply would have done the same as the Federation had done to Anvent Eturrer. No more no less.
I'm sure that the Federation would not have any problems with it. They could even send observers to make sure we follow everything by the book. Since they are already experts.
Unless, you consider us doing the same thing to be any more worse by your standards.
would that not be ok with you Aurgnet?
The Federation executed a criminal guilty of treason within their own jurisdiction.
The Republic wants to summarily execute a person who committed a crime outside of their jurisdiction.
These things aren't the same, you dolt.
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.05.13 04:55:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:"We'll just emulate our allies at their absolute worst moment in modern history!"
Yes because that is completely the attitude to take, damned idiot.
Exactly Marellus!
You are helping to prove my point exactly.
Aurgnet ask a question, while at the same time implying that the Federation is better than us, and also questioning our ability to be morally competent.
I merely,sarcastically, answered her question by showing her the Federation best moments or closet, whichever suits your boat. Yet we are quickly made out to be emotional madman with no self control, and yet and also barbaric, as if we do not know better. While some actions in the Federations past, one might say might be regarded as action only barbaric nations would take. If you are going to judge someone, don't be surprise if the same is done to you. That's all. Make sure you also hiding all those skeletons that you have laying around in your closet.
Sorry if you did not get the point that I was trying to make.
Dear Derek
lol
Have a nice day
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Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:00:00 -
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I find the notion of attaching observers to prosecution and defense specifically to be interesting. The more so as they belong to a single, non-neutral party. It would seem that in such a situation, both prosecution and defense could very easily raise the specters of contamination and collusion.
Msr. Broteau being acquitted on a process technicality would be a very unfortunate outcome. Of course, so would a conviction with less than perfect confidence in the truth of the matter being found. |
Draqone an'Alreigh
EVE University
Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:32:00 -
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Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? One would think you doubt the ability of the Federal Authorities to maintain Security at such a High Profile Event.
I doubt the ability of the Federal Authorities to maintain security at High Profile Events after tens of people were murdered by a single guy during one.
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