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Lysander Fairewell
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:41:00 -
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Hello,
Way back when, I read "The Empyrean Age" - this was before I even knew that EVE was a game. I thought it was an amazing concept and when I found out that EVE was actually a game, I was very excited (this was sometime last year when GoonSwarm did that thing with FW, that huge heist or whatever).
Anyway. I wanted to author a blog about my character. I just have one bit of lore I'm stuck on -
In Empyrean Age, when a character dies for the first time, there's some comment about "seeing if this immortality stuff really works". So it was his first time dying and being resurrected.
However, in the most recent EVE video, "Origins"... it clearly depicts a regular human being euthanized and their brainscan being transferred to their clone. I remember something about this in my reading stuff written on the EVE website.
So which is it? Are all capsuleers "virgins" until they get podded, or do they all have their cherries popped when they're created? |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:20:00 -
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good question, i read emperian age as well and thought the same thing after the video. kinda like any other book thats put into video form, some details are chaged to make them easier to grasp in a shorter timespan |
Lysander Fairewell
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:32:00 -
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Zanzbar wrote:good question, i read emperian age as well and thought the same thing after the video. kinda like any other book thats put into video form, some details are chaged to make them easier to grasp in a shorter timespan
To me it makes more sense that they die upon creation, so I will go with that. |
Forest Archer
Explorer Corps
Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 02:17:00 -
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There used to be an intro video this was 5 or so years ago when I started playing when you first became a capsuleer you were euthanized into a clone the immortal version of your self. There is actually a lore section I believe in the evelopedia section.
Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.05.13 06:40:00 -
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I seem to recall reading the latter somewhere as well, something about the clones' brains being grown around the implants we have (pilots, not talking about the DUST mercs). Can't recall where though.
Can easily justify the line in Empyrean age in that the first time is under controlled circumstances, everything's planned, scheduled and carefully controlled. The first time you're podded is the real test of whether the immortality thing works under real-world conditions |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.13 07:49:00 -
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I would suggest that you post this in the EVE fiction section of the forums. Im sure someone in there will be able to provide the answer for you 
Sadly my knowledge of the EVE lore is not good enough to even begin to answer this question.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=259
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Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:50:00 -
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The Origins trailer shows a new development in cloning.
For pod pilots, cloning's only been possible if the pilot dies in the pod capsule; there's a wikipedia article about it (it has the actual backstory in it). We just die too often and too suddenly to be able to capture our minds at the time of death otherwise (we're not in a controlled hospital situation with technicians standing by).
The capsule DOES euthanize the original when the pod is breached (even a minor leak). I believe that that was a CONCORD accord, to avoid multiple copies at the same time happening.
However, recent news items show that due to wormhole technology being reverse-engineered, the Caldari have discovered a way to get the mind-at-time-of-death and clone people efficiently without the pod capsule. They tried to create super-soldiers (and thus explain the backstory for CCP's new game, DUST514), but they lost control just like with capsuleers.
So what you saw in that new video is this new technology being applied. It's likely that pod pilots may not need the pod in the future, either, but they could also go with "if it ain't broke don't fix it" with the lore.
There are also various chronicles that allude that the Concord accord to prevent multi-copies may have been breached by the empires, to create multiple NPC soldiers from one original. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:10:00 -
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Sorry bud, you've got it wrong. The video shows capsuleer cloning techniques, and doesn't go into the Templar cloning process. The Fanfest 2012 video does (it's also the DUST intro, I think).
The OP and others have it right -- you're killed right before getting your new clone (IIRC, you're tested first to make sure you don't get stuck in the "wet grave" before actually getting cloned -- remember, originally capsuleers weren't clones, the introduction of cloning happened at around YC105), in controlled circumstances. The first podding is the "test" of sorts -- in the "I really, really hope this works" sense.
As for the lethal injection from the pod, this is because the brain scanner scrambles your mind anyway, and "at the time of death" is the really key component of the whole business. A lot easier to just kill the clone on "our terms" (i.e. pod's going down, kill them and scan the brain) rather than waiting for the pod to actually break, as this will introduce numerous additional variables. Essentially the pod is designed to kill you in the most ideal of "you're gonna die anyway" circumstances.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Lysander Fairewell
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:22:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:The Origins trailer shows a new development in cloning. For pod pilots, cloning's only been possible if the pilot dies in the pod capsule; there's a wikipedia article about it (it has the actual backstory in it). We just die too often and too suddenly to be able to capture our minds at the time of death otherwise (we're not in a controlled hospital situation with technicians standing by). The capsule DOES euthanize the original when the pod is breached (even a minor leak). I believe that that was a CONCORD accord, to avoid multiple copies at the same time happening. However, recent news items show that due to wormhole technology being reverse-engineered, the Caldari have discovered a way to get the mind-at-time-of-death and clone people efficiently without the pod capsule. They tried to create super-soldiers (and thus explain the backstory for CCP's new game, DUST514), but they lost control just like with capsuleers. So what you saw in that new video is this new technology being applied. It's likely that pod pilots may not need the pod in the future, either, but they could also go with "if it ain't broke don't fix it" with the lore. There are also various chronicles that allude that the Concord accord to prevent multi-copies may have been breached by the empires, to create multiple NPC soldiers from one original.
And of course we can't forget about "The Broker", who ran many multiple copies of his mind in various clones throughout the story.
I really wish they did a follow up on him - did his physical form finally die forever, leaving him trapped on a computer? - but I have to admit I enjoy the mystery of "The Broker". A single capsuleer effectively destabilized the entire cluster with his schemes to retain his immortality and power. However, I believe that Karin Midular's shooter may in fact be "The Broker"... I guess time will tell and we will either have to way for a new novel, or just enjoy the mystery. :) |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:00:00 -
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EVE has Lore????
/sarcasm
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