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Aristia Madrone
Golden Clover Products
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:34:00 -
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in real life we have cluster bombs
My suggestion is to introduce cluster bombs for Eve
cluster bombs could be made so they affect more than the targeted ship
the cluster bombs could be made to target up to a maximum number of ships
the cluster bombs could act like a nuclear bomb going off and do the same
amount of damage to each ship within a set range ( current blob range)
make it so cluster bombs can only be used in low or null sec
the cluster bomb could produce missiles, laser beams, or projectiles when it went off
to fit the mechanics currently in-game
the cluster bombs could produce up to 100 or more of each type of damage
with random targets for the produced damaged
ships could be single targeted or multiple targeted by the cluster bomb
make it so the cluster bombs cant be targeted to prevent it from delivering its payload
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Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:09:00 -
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So what would beat the blob of cluster bombing ships? |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC.
Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:20:00 -
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Aristia Madrone wrote:the cluster bombs could act like a nuclear bomb going off and do the same
amount of damage to each ship within a set range
Sounds very similar to existing bombs. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:53:00 -
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ladies and gentlemen, may I present you the BOMB! |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:23:00 -
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Aristia Madrone wrote:in real life we have cluster bombs
My suggestion is to introduce cluster bombs for Eve
cluster bombs could be made so they affect more than the targeted ship
the cluster bombs could be made to target up to a maximum number of ships
the cluster bombs could act like a nuclear bomb going off and do the same
amount of damage to each ship within a set range ( current blob range)
make it so cluster bombs can only be used in low or null sec
the cluster bomb could produce missiles, laser beams, or projectiles when it went off
to fit the mechanics currently in-game
the cluster bombs could produce up to 100 or more of each type of damage
with random targets for the produced damaged
ships could be single targeted or multiple targeted by the cluster bomb
make it so the cluster bombs cant be targeted to prevent it from delivering its payload
I think we'd need a line of ships to go with them. Perhaps a tech 2 frigate? With a covert ops cloak?
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Felsusguy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:29:00 -
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No. Blobs don't have to be close together to be effective, (sniper blob, anyone?) and if you make an anti-blob weapon that has a range or radius equal to the maximum width of a blob, it becomes incredibly overpowered.
So, it either:
A. It doesn't stop all blobs.
B. Isn't all that effective, requiring a blob of them to function well.
C. Has a range and strength that make it incredibly overpowered.
Or all of the above!
How droll. |
Orocobix
Terra Incognita
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.14 03:30:00 -
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Bring back the Doomsday of Olde, possibly stronger than it was but with a system-wide cooldown of 5 minutes or something like that so it cannot be spammed like it used to. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.14 03:41:00 -
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As has been mentioned, bombs are in-game.
You want to defeat blobs? Simple: Stacking penalty on all modules that exert changes between ship to ship. Think of it as line of sight interference if you need to, but essentially, the more people who attack a single target, the less damage all attackers do.
This penalty would work on all modules, though, so it would affect ewar, remote reps, cap neuts/vamps, etc. Any ship to ship module.
Drones would also receive this penalty, but on a separate check (drone damage/repair, etc), with them and fighters equaling out.
The hindrance to the stacking penalty concept is smaller vs. larger ships. It keeps a bunch of large ships from popping a single large ship, or smaller ships, but it also would make it neigh impossible for a bunch of small ships to hurt a single large ship. The resolution for making this more effective is to set a base penalty for weapon classes equal to ship class and above. Use medium weapons to attack a cruiser or smaller, your stacking penalty is set at a base amount. Use a medium weapon to attack a battleship, and that stacking penalty is reduced by a few percent. Use a medium weapon to attack a capital, and even less of a penalty.
This allows deviation between ships that can fit larger weapon classes, specifically tier 3 bc's and stealth bombers.
If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality.-á That 'griefer/thief' is probably more sane than you are.-á How screwed up is that? |
Frake Lomes
Century Citadel
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Posted - 2013.05.14 03:49:00 -
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Well if you're going to escalate a conflict, might as well go all out...
Super Titans with Super Doomsday weapons that do Super damage...systemwide...no, make that constellation wide 
naw, screw it too much effort. If you really wanted to fix blobs you'd have to introduce some sort of accidental friendly fire which would bog the server down a bit and make fleet fights even less interesting. Introducing accidental friendly fire from guns/missiles would (theoretically) force people to spread out a bit more, but it would be a pain to program and insert into the current game engine.
Or go with Ruze's idea, however that still leaves a lot of server crunching that has to take place.
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Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
233
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Posted - 2013.05.14 04:01:00 -
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Frake Lomes wrote:
Or go with Ruze's idea, however that still leaves a lot of server crunching that has to take place.
That I think is the whole point, and problem. CCP is taking steps to make blob on blob combat smoother and the servers more capable of handling it. They're changing code in small increments, often reducing or nerfing this or that, in order to reduce the tasks required to compute. In essence, making things faster.
But on the other hand, players have no real limits. As you give us more room, we take more room. Give an inch, take a yard. Well, give us a reinforced node in Jita, and we find a way to cap it every weekend.
There has to be a better way to penalize the alpha-strike mentality that makes blob warfare so prevalent. Because CCP set a rule early on that more players = more power, we've got super coalitions and 3000 man battles. No other game on the market can handle that, even close. But if you don't have more numbers, chances are your not going to win, so you sign up with the guys that do, dock up until you do, or ally and build coalitions.
Everything needs a stacking penalty. Sovereignty needs a cap, artificial and otherwise, on what it's usefullness is. Gates, systems, stations. Because we'll push the limit.
Make it so that an individual is more efficient then a squad, a squad is more efficient than wing, a wing over a fleet, and a fleet over a blob ... and you might just give smaller scale combat a bit of free reign.
But if it's pro-blob all the way, which every change CCP has made in the pvp department is showing this, then it's not about small scale at all.
If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality.-á That 'griefer/thief' is probably more sane than you are.-á How screwed up is that? |
commander aze
Sub--Zero
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Posted - 2013.05.14 07:35:00 -
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1 what you want is a stealth bomber in null it can launch an area effect weapon dealing damage without locking ... can also blow up your own ship if your not good at flying it. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
50
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Posted - 2013.05.14 14:59:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Aristia Madrone wrote:in real life we have cluster bombs
My suggestion is to introduce cluster bombs for Eve
cluster bombs could be made so they affect more than the targeted ship
the cluster bombs could be made to target up to a maximum number of ships
the cluster bombs could act like a nuclear bomb going off and do the same
amount of damage to each ship within a set range ( current blob range)
make it so cluster bombs can only be used in low or null sec
the cluster bomb could produce missiles, laser beams, or projectiles when it went off
to fit the mechanics currently in-game
the cluster bombs could produce up to 100 or more of each type of damage
with random targets for the produced damaged
ships could be single targeted or multiple targeted by the cluster bomb
make it so the cluster bombs cant be targeted to prevent it from delivering its payload
I think we'd need a line of ships to go with them. Perhaps a tech 2 frigate? With a covert ops cloak?
yeah, but we need a name for this class.
it can drop bombs, so it is a bomber, and since it can warp undetected, it mean it's stealth
so i think stealth bombers would fit em well
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
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Posted - 2013.05.14 15:07:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:No. Blobs don't have to be close together to be effective, (sniper blob, anyone?) and if you make an anti-blob weapon that has a range or radius equal to the maximum width of a blob, it becomes incredibly overpowered.
So, it either:
A. It doesn't stop all blobs.
B. Isn't all that effective, requiring a blob of them to function well.
C. Has a range and strength that make it incredibly overpowered.
Or all of the above!
and this already exist, it's called a QA Smartbomb.
available to CCP only, and it's sats are something like 3sec ROF / 250KM radius dealing 5k hp of each damage
and YES, this modules exist (id 7/353/18642) and require polaris lvl5 skill
http://www.eveiverse.com/items/qa_smartbomb |
Frake Lomes
Century Citadel
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:26:00 -
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How many chocolate bunnies must we sacrificed to the gods-shaped-like-domesticated-farmyard-animals in order to acquire this skill?
Or do you have to sell your eternal soul to Hilmar...damn not sure which is worse... |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
1252
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:45:00 -
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Frake Lomes wrote:How many chocolate bunnies must we sacrificed to the gods-shaped-like-domesticated-farmyard-animals in order to acquire this skill?
Or do you have to sell your eternal soul to Hilmar...damn not sure which is worse...
Here, just train this.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bomb_Deployment
And bring some friends with you.
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Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:03:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:Aristia Madrone wrote:the cluster bombs could act like a nuclear bomb going off and do the same
amount of damage to each ship within a set range Sounds very similar to existing bombs.
Except nukes really don't do damage in a vacuum, just release a ton of radiation...if you wanna get all sciencey and ****.
So...what if a blob of ships all launch anti-blob cluster bombs? Well, other than utter coolness, that is.
If nothing blew up, no one would buy your stuff. |
Frake Lomes
Century Citadel
6
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Posted - 2013.05.21 03:55:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Frake Lomes wrote:How many chocolate bunnies must we sacrificed to the gods-shaped-like-domesticated-farmyard-animals in order to acquire this skill?
Or do you have to sell your eternal soul to Hilmar...damn not sure which is worse... Here, just train this. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bomb_DeploymentAnd bring some friends with you.
Was actually referring to the Polaris skill
besides, I've eaten bombs in a Damnation before and had room for leftovers  |
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
52
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:44:00 -
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Considering amount of 'blobs' in EVE, I wonder why we don't have proper AoE weapons in the game
- sure, there are bombs and there are smartbombs, but bombs are ultra-specialized weapon unusable in low-sec tied to single ship type while smart-bombs are perhaps even more specialized weapon with enormous amount of limitations and very low AoE radius
Needless to say, AoE is tricky bit to balance, but I think something rather simple would make EVE fleet combat much more interesting, let me try very simple idea:
- introduce single AoE weapon of each weapon line (let's hypothetically call it Blobbreaker cannon / missile):
- give it long range equivalent to long range variant of its weapon class and dps to roughly 1/4 of regular long range weapon of its class and give it significant AoE (let's say 10? km radius for L weapon), give it fitting requirements somewhat above highest fitting weapon of its class; also important part would be to limit its effect against lower-size ships (for example L blobbreaker should have low effect on cruisers and very minimal to frigs and S module is likely out of place, M might work or might not)
- idea here is simple: it is difficult to fit, forcing you to sacrifice tank or fit less then usual number of these guns and its dps is rather low; however, considering it hits area, group of such ships will break tight blob of regular ships after certain breakpoint in numbers.
- basically effect should be something like:
1-3 blobbreakers < 1-3 regular ships
X blobbreakers > X regular ships blobbed for X > 5? (or 10 or whatever)
X blobbreakers = X blobbreakers if both are blobbed, however if spread around, side with better spread tends to win
X blobbreakers < X regular ships if you manage to minimize aoe, therefore promoting positioning in combat rather then just putting all ships on same place
blobbreakers are good against massed carrier fleets due to ability to pop drones en-masse
Of course, argument here is that we already have bombers, but I don't think bombers fill role of sustained combat aoe damage dealing platform |
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