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Tobias Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.15 05:02:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=219298&p=2
Tierijev - An Opux Luxury Yacht on a cruise through Verge Vendor was destroyed today, killing all the passengers aboard as well as the captain and crew. The yacht was notably carrying musician Jolee Hanvyner and wife Ting, who recently were acquitted by the Gallente Federation of having been involved in treason and military espionage. Both Hanvyers were among the casualty list.
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Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
57
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Posted - 2013.05.15 05:57:00 -
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My condolences to the families of both women. I hope that the perpetrators of this attack are found and brought to justice, whoever they may be My alt has two Gnosis, how does he smell?Awful. |

Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 07:18:00 -
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This appears to be an assasination.
Quote:Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, but also featured "notable differences" which have made it difficult to trace. The matter is being investigated as a case of piracy.
I hereby call upon the authorities to investigate this not as a case of piracy but as a case of assassination!
2 high-profile people, who had recently been acquitted by our Supreme Court, were on board. This case, The People Vs Hayner, has been highly reported about especially in the handling of the case and the verdict.
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Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.05.15 07:51:00 -
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Meghel wrote:This appears to be an assasination. Quote:Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, but also featured "notable differences" which have made it difficult to trace. The matter is being investigated as a case of piracy.
I hereby call upon the authorities to investigate this not as a case of piracy but as a case of assassination! 2 high-profile people, who had recently been acquitted by our Supreme Court, were on board. This case, The People Vs Hayner, has been highly reported about especially in the handling of the case and the verdict.
If you're serious about the call, here's who you should contact:
Thoun Gaterau
If you cannot trust the FIO, try the Navy
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
214
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:01:00 -
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Damn.
That's an expensive ship loss. Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1135
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:04:00 -
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Quote:Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, ...
Wonder who was behind this, Cladari or Gallente intelligence. |

kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
243
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:21:00 -
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Perhaps they used this new rumored 'navy' Drake. This would implicate the Caldari. |

Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
144
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:17:00 -
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Mentas Blaque, I expected so much more from you. At least -try- to be a bit interesting with your assassinations. |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
482
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:13:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Perhaps they used this new rumored 'navy' Drake. This would implicate the Caldari. How did they get their hands on something that is still likely undergoing trials by the Navy? That's a bit disturbing.
I should have expected Blaque would have those people assassinated after the courts realized he was blowing smoke up their ass. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
116
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:24:00 -
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What, no killmail? Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence Disavowed.
118
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:55:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:What, no killmail? Good point...the combat records might have some clues to the identity of the perpetrator in them. Maybe that's why they haven't been released? |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
482
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:40:00 -
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They never said the perpetrator was a capsuleer, and theres a chance the captain wasn't either. Non-capsuleer combat doesn't get logged the same way. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1469
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:44:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:They never said the perpetrator was a capsuleer, and theres a chance the captain wasn't either. Those don't generally get logged through neocom.
A loss record would still be somewhere, anywhere. I'll be heading to Tierijev to see what's up.
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Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
42
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:52:00 -
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personally I'm curious of the ship that was used in the attack similar to drake hull but with notable differences? id like to know what kind of differences since drake hull is fairly distinctive even from extreme range sensors. |

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
188
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:14:00 -
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Oh look, conspiracy theorists assembled again.
A case of random piracy, a design similar to a Drake, but different; I'd say it's quite obvious the Guristas did it.
But let's cater to the conspiracy a bit; if it were a Navy Drake as someone suggested, why would the Caldari State be interested in assassinating 2 people who have been a notable thorn in Federation's side? As much as I enjoy pointing out what kind of a hypocritical mess the Federation is, this time the numbers just don't add up. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1469
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:24:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:personally I'm curious of the ship that was used in the attack similar to drake hull but with notable differences? id like to know what kind of differences since drake hull is fairly distinctive even from extreme range sensors.
Would need to be a long, flat, and either angled or curved ship. I can't think of any ships the size of a Drake that'd fit that description off the top of my head. Not even the Jove have a ship that shape.
Honestly, I'm going Occam's razor on this. This story is based on 'data' that makes too many assumptions:
- The Caldari have the funds and need to develop a new Drake protoype during a period of internal issues. The Caldari are not the kind to mess with someone elses house while their's is in disarray. Heth being the exception. But what prevents him from killing these two you say? Point 2.
- The Caldari would want to kill the pair of them despite seemingly sending them information on the Federal Navy. Even if they didn't, why would the Caldari want to kill them if the pair didn't really effect the State? Or ANYONE for that matter save for the Fed.
- The pair would openly go out on a cruise right after this whole fiasco. Sure they might want to relax, but would they risk it (especially since one was military) knowing they might be targeted due to recent events as opposed to waiting the storm out?
Before anyone says anything, the above is less assumption and more inference based on my own experience. Now, let's look at the other possibility given the FIO's track record. Data manipulation utilized to mask a ship to look like a weird Drake, which is then fed to the media. Why is this more credible than above? Let's see:
- FIO is known for its underhanded tactics, press black outs, and data manipulation. They have come under scrutiny multiple times for it (i.e. the Midular incident).
- There would be no need for an experimental Drake. Sensor logs can be faked. It's easier.
- Framing the Caldari in a bad light is something FIO (all very nationalist) loves to do. 'We need to kill them...blame the Caldari!'
Trying to say the Caldari did it makes too many far fetched assumptions. Saying it's an FIO op makes more credible inferences. But then there's the independent pirate/capsuleer angle:
- No assumptions really. Someone saw the Yacht and ganked it. HOWEVER, this assumes that a capsuleer did it. Which apparently is not true. The last ship killed in Tierijev was a Myrmidion a few days ago. Since then, there's been nothing.
The possibility that the above kill was prevented from being registered or perhaps removed is possible, however. But given how eggers are prone to vice, I can't imagine someone wouldn't register the kill to show off. Even if the Hanvyners were on the ship, they wouldn't hide it. They'd probably be more proud at the outcry they'd cause.
So we have three potential situations, one of which has the more credible assumptions, one has more far out assumptions, and another even FARTHER out. I won't even talk about the possibility of a baseline pirate ship, as I doubt a mortal crew would die at CONCORD's hands just to gank a yacht in a 0.8 system with limited possibility of a big pay day. A freighter, maybe. A yacht? Eh...
This is just how I interpret the situation. But given the layout of how things are going, the whole PIRATES DID IT or THE CALDARI DID IT is too convenient and makes too many assumptions.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
482
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:31:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:if it were a Navy Drake as someone suggested, why would the Caldari State be interested in assassinating 2 people who have been a notable thorn in Federation's side? Yes, because nobody ever steals ships, and the Guristas especially have never stolen naval property.
Quote: As much as I enjoy pointing out what kind of a hypocritical mess the Federation is, this time the numbers just don't add up. It is awful convenient that someone Mentas Blaque was going after just happens to get killed after being acquitted of what the FIO was accusing them of. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1311
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:23:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:What, no killmail?
Not if there were no independent capsuleers involved. We only generate them because we're constantly monitored by CONCORD. There's a lot of ships out there who don't generate any of the DED paperwork we're used to. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
742
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:24:00 -
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Although I won't speculate as to who I believe is behind this murderous act, I agree with others that there's a lot more to this than meets the eye. I don't buy the official explanation of simple piracy. I hope that eventually we'll learn the truth and that the perpetrator(s) are held accountable. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6339
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:36:00 -
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Entirely plausible that Black Ops groups from all Empires possess the blueprints to each others vessels, and have more advanced technology upgraded within. A Drake platform is exactly that, a Drake platform that could be operated by Gallente, Minmater or even the Sisters of Eve were they so inclined.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |
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Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
17
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:51:00 -
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Yet another attack on defenseless citizens. If it was an assassination it seems pointless. Maybe a message to someone else or perhaps to draw somebody out. High profile deaths, bring out high profile people to funerals. I wouldn't put it past anybody now if there was an attack at the funeral for this couple. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
498
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:52:00 -
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Could be shrewd pirates or anti-SDII rebels who knew this would be pinned on the Black Eagles as some conspiracy theory. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1471
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:01:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Could be shrewd pirates or anti-SDII rebels who knew this would be pinned on the Black Eagles as some conspiracy theory.
Who has the resources to pull this off? Who has the intel? Who has the data manipulation ability? Why, of all things, would anti-SDII 'rebels' use the death of the couple to pin on the Eagles as opposed to actual data and evidence to incriminate them with their ACTUAL crimes?
Funny how it's a conspiracy theory when your government's involved, but just 'immaturity' when other Empires are involved.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
866
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:01:00 -
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I wonder if the band played on, as the flames grew higher?
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1311
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:07:00 -
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Could be there's not enough information available in one news article to form any kind of an intellectually honest opinion.
Mourn if you are so inclined, and move on. It's a tragedy for all those who loved somebody who was aboard that ship, not just the Hanvyners. But let's not waste our mental energy pursuing the ghosts of conspiracy. Maybe there was a plot, maybe there wasn't, maybe in a week we'll know more, maybe in a week the Point Genesis anomaly will have spewed forth an alien war fleet, in which case the fate of a musician and her wife will be low on our list of priorities. Until we have facts on which to base our hypotheses, it's best not to speculate and wind up prejudicing yourself. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
498
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:10:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Could be shrewd pirates or anti-SDII rebels who knew this would be pinned on the Black Eagles as some conspiracy theory. Who has the resources to pull this off? Who has the intel? Who has the data manipulation ability? Why, of all things, would anti-SDII 'rebels' use the death of the couple to pin on the Eagles as opposed to actual data and evidence to incriminate them with their ACTUAL crimes? Funny how it's a conspiracy theory when your government's involved, but just 'immaturity' when other Empires are involved.
Many people do. You're too bleeding heart to think about this shrewdly. The Black Eagles haven't been charged of any actual crimes (yet), so your claims can be accused as prejudicial. Just because you don't see the reasoning behind offing the Hanvyners like this doesn't mean nobody else does.
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Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:31:00 -
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Today, after recovering from an allergic reaction (which will be removed with the next clone jump, damnit), I paid a small visit to Tierijev system.
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A complete and dedicated scan of the system brought nothing special to light. A few Capsuleer miners, capsuleer owned cans, a few small enclaves of Serpentis pirates, regulare civilian transport.
The wreck oft the liner had already been removed by Federation Authorities for investigation. And to remove potentially dangerous wreckage from endangering civilian transports.
After scaring them enough (most pirates will spill the beans if you drop onto their hideout, shoot up their defense fleets and target their bunkers ), the pirates in the enclave allowed my crew a thorough check of their terminals. Then, they took their leave (encouraged by my ship)..
The terminal checks revealed nothing. No tampered records and no transmissions regarding any attack on a passenger liner. Quite frustrating.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1472
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:03:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Many people do. You're too bleeding heart to think about this shrewdly. The Black Eagles haven't been charged of any actual crimes (yet), so your claims can be accused as prejudicial. Just because you don't see the reasoning behind offing the Hanvyners like this doesn't mean nobody else does.
Read my first post before yours oh Despot of Narcissist City. This isn't based on 'bleeding heart' delusions. It's based on simple, factual, inference based on the information we can see plainly.
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Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
13
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:28:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
@Meghel: Don't Opux ships have a specific engine type or emission system? If it's a unique system, you could attempt to locate emissions or perhaps dispersed isotopes related to its propulsion systems and see if something comes up. Unless they use standard Federation engines and systems. I'd hope something like that Yacht would have unique mechanisms but who knows...maybe someone familiar with engineering can answer that.
@Anslo: difficult to say. it has been a day since the event took place so I gathered most emisions would have dispersed by now.
But it is wordt trying out. I will configure my systems to look for unique emissions and visit Tierijev again. I will do a number of in-system jumps and scans, hoping to find anything.
If any engineering specialist can put some light on this it would be highly appreciated. |

Liberty Roach
October Country
7
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:43:00 -
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Aw no, not an Opux! What the fark is wrong with people? Couldn't they have waited till these jokers stepped off?
Unless it's insurance fraud. Actually, I bet it's insurance fraud. |
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