People who haven't trained their missile support skills to 5 are literally not worth thinking about in a balance discussion. ;-)

-Liang

I'd be really curious why anyone would use a CNR over a Golem in PVE.

-Liang

This isn't the subject...
But if you really wanna know, it's just personal taste.
Sure I want it to be efficient and for salvaging, i'd prolly use another lighter ship in case i gotta get out fast so i wouldn't take advantage of the golem's tractor bonus.

Hi there,

Currently being training up to T2 Cruise missiles and grinding iskies to afford it, I'm working on a CNR project that I'd use for the sole purpose of bashing the **** out of Angel rats.

Here's the first batch :



Now you may have noticed I voluntarily added the 8th launcher and the extra mid. I've done the maths, if I'm correct it should fit. tightly, but it should.

Pre-Odyssey, with "ALL 5" skills, this gives 79.1 per launcher with T1 Nova cruise, which should put out 632.8 DPS
In Odyssey and according to the cruise missile change post, roughly adding +25% dmg, should get up to 791 DPS, without drones. Now that may be wrong, as in lower than what I should actually get since iirc they said base dmg, as in before skills, but cba to do the maths there.

So I'm gonna wildguess 791 + ~130 drone dps = 920 DPS, probably more like around 1K or something.

The tank however is rather poor, even with having 83.4% Exp and 80% Kin resists, SB boosts about 344.6 ehp per second.
Enouhg for belt rats, and afaik, not quite for anomalies though. however, fancy tanking modules may come with increased income rate anyway.

Not sure if I should use CN cruise or just stick with T1, maybe T2 for beefier rats ? As the intent is to make the better ISK spent per ISK gained ratio, which can be tricky as belt rats are not exact science and you never know what you're gonna get first.

What do you guys think about it ?

I'm pretty sure explosion radius beats explosion velocity.

Only if you ignore the painter effectiveness and tank bonuses. In reality the Golem can fit *four* target painters with the same tank of a 2 painter CNR.

-Liang

Ed: Oh, oh, oh, and each one of those target painters is 50% more effective. Not that it even needs the 4 painters - 3 is plenty sufficient and always has been.

Is this fit for Anomalies? I'm not sure why you need so much tank, can't you kite most of the damage?

I'm too lazy to find out where MI holds sov (or if you hold sov), so you should probably talk to your alliance mates about a good Cruise Golem fit. It sounds like you need to tank ~400 DPS which should be relatively trivial.

-Liang

Ed: At first they will laugh at you about cruise golems and tell you that the golem is a torp boat. However, come the expansion the Golem is a cruise boat.

I'm not sure, that's why I went for the safety net. Maybe i can just warp to 100km and shoot most targets before they even get in range, couldn't say tbh.

Last I checked Havens weren't all that common in NPC space and un-upgraded space. Which tends to mean that you're in sov space. Which means you probably need to live there. Which means you probably need to own sov.

But, however you're there I don't really care. It's not like that's how I make my ISK so... /shrug

-Liang

The only thing you need to know is that I have access to Angel Havens, no need to take this any further.

Ok whatever. Next time specify that you are looking for help with Angel Havens instead of asking about generic Havens. Because ain't nobody got time to ******* read your mind to figure out where you do your PVE grinding.

-Liang

Hello ? Thread title ?

Anti-Angel Odyssey CNR

I mean, seriously ?

Are you the OP? Turns out you are. And there I thought you were just a random **** poaster asking for fits because he wasn't creative enough to pull up EFT.

-Liang

[Raven Navy Issue, Raven Navy Issue fit import 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Domination 100MN Microwarpdrive
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II


Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x3

[Golem, Golem fit]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Domination 100MN Microwarpdrive
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Bouncer II x3

I'm not so familiar with Golems, so I dont like to say, but I'm pretty sure you can do a better CNR fit than that.

Besides, the cost of the whole setup is pretty similar around 1.7B, which I think might turn in favor of the Golem as I think CNR price is gonna explode pretty soon.

I'm not so familiar with Golems, so I dont like to say, but I'm pretty sure you can do a better CNR fit than that.

Any improvement he can make to the CNR would have carried over to the Golem fit too. But yes, both fits could have been improved.

-Liang

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189km maximum kite range, perma-run the AB and cycle reps as you need them. It should have no trouble tanking the stray missiles as it has over 600 HP/s explosive tank. If you do take too much damage, you can increase the tank or drop down to T1 ammo and kite out beyond their missile range but that shouldn't be necessary. Use whatever drones you want.

Warp in to 100, keep closest BS at range 120km (increase anywhere up to 150km if their guns are hitting you) with perma-running AB. Take out farthest BSes first, leave the closest until last. Switch to Precision and prioritise Cruisers when they get to about 105km, then frigs and release drones when they are within drone range. Finish off remaining BSes.