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Felsusguy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
154
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:50:00 -
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I, and many others of whom do not wish to be named, demand new cloning implant technology to better protect us capsuleers.
We demand that our current implants be upgraded to copy our neuro-consciousness whenever we exit our capsules and send them to our cloning facility. While our brain is still functional (as in, not dead), the implants shall emit a small signal containing a stream of data of our experiences. Once that signal is interrupted, either by death or implant failure (or both), the cloning facility takes the stored consciousness and immediately deposits it into our clone. After we reawaken in our clone, the data stream will be played back to us, either by neurovisual stimulation, or via good old fashioned video feed.
This is a necessary step to ensure that capsuleers are safe from death while exiting our capsules. How droll. |
Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.18 14:07:00 -
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Oh please.
Just be happy your clone works at all.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
131
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Posted - 2013.05.18 14:19:00 -
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So....who are you making this demand from? The empires who don't give a **** about you? Or the Jovians who are quite dead? |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
157
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:39:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:So....who are you making this demand from? *to.
Evi Polevhia wrote:The empires who don't give a **** about you? Most baseliners, as a rule, do hate us, but there are exceptions.
Evi Polevhia wrote:Or the Jovians who are quite dead? Not dead, just hiding. How droll. |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
27
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:23:00 -
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The capsuleer delusion of immortality is already out of control.
Let's not make it worse. |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
158
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:21:00 -
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Shiho Weitong wrote:The capsuleer delusion of immortality is already out of control.
Let's not make it worse. A philosopher, eh? No one cares about philosophy when they are dead. How droll. |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
28
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:26:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Shiho Weitong wrote:The capsuleer delusion of immortality is already out of control.
Let's not make it worse. A philosopher, eh? No one cares about philosophy when they are dead.
I guess there's a first for everything.
I've been called teacher, thief, tyrant and murderer. I've been called savior, friend, enemy and haan.
I don't think I've ever been called a philosopher, and I'd prefer to be labeled as a pragmatist. At the very least regarding this subject.
Capsuleer minds have already drifted a great deal away from our baseliner kin. We should not strive to be immortal for our own sake, but for the baseliners we serve and protect. |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:18:00 -
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I think those dust implants are cool and I want that toy :D |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1739
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:02:00 -
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If i recall my training correctly, attempts to use the burning scanner outside of a pod ended in malfunction as the scanner would be triggered untimely, or would fail to be triggered. Thus, the burning scanner technology is limited to pod use.
As for the support we may expect from Empires, it is unlikely they will let us walk freely in stations, let alone survive if we are killed in the process. And public opinion is even more hostile and deluded than that.
I don't know if any of you have seen that piece of film called "Origins", in which capsule technology is grossly misrepresented to the populace. Commoners are being fed that we capsuleers must die to become pod pilots, which is false; I am sure some of you have heard those tasteles jokes of "space zombies". Also that film depicts capsules as glorified cokpits, rather than the sophisticate neural interface they are.
None of this is making us a favor. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
133
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:26:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Or the Jovians who are quite dead? Not dead, just hiding.
And the proof of this claim...? |
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
941
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:37:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Or the Jovians who are quite dead? Not dead, just hiding. And the proof of this claim...?
You both appear to be making positive claims, ma'am, and thus both need to provide proof. I believe that the negative claim is to maintain a state of ignorance on the state of the Jovians. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1686
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:28:00 -
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The reason this cannot be done is because you are actually incompatible with the technology that allows these mercenaries to transfer their consciousness while not being in a pod. The reason why you are killed after a brain scan is because any brain scan process that does not take place over several hours (and which, by necessity, requires you to either get a general reading or to be put into complete stasis while it goes on) is because the process of flash-scanning an entire human brain burns out the pitiful little electric currents that make you who you are.
I am not certain you understand exactly how much data there is in a complete human mind. The mercenaries implants allow this process to take place without the pod, but they end up just as dead afterwards. Their suits, I believe, then incinerate their bodies to create the same effect that the neurotoxin that gets injected into us upon pod breech produces. That is to say that it makes sure the the wreck of your body left without a functioning mind is killed off, as a sort of mercy gesture.
On the other hand, if the Mercenaries tried to pilot a ship with their mind, they would immediately find themselves locked forever into a horrifying paralysis called Wetgrave. You are not subject to it because the peculiar nature of your genetics allows your consciousness to hop back and forth between bodies like they are an old suit of clothes, and with only marginally more difficulty than that.
So you know, take the good with the bad. |
Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
139
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:52:00 -
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Oh, ain't that cute.
The little boy who made claims about immortality and capsuleers uniting against the powers that be is now asking those same powers for another toy because he's scared.
I could just pinch your cheek. ...................\o\ /o/................... |
Vinh Trahn
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
9
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:13:00 -
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Adreena Madeveda wrote:Oh, ain't that cute.
The little boy who made claims about immortality and capsuleers uniting against the powers that be is now asking those same powers for another toy because he's scared.
I could just pinch your cheek.
Just make sure you pinch the cheek of each clone to, for good measure. Truth you find through your adversities will defend you. |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
265
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:42:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Or the Jovians who are quite dead? Not dead, just hiding. And the proof of this claim...? You both appear to be making positive claims, ma'am, and thus both need to provide proof. I believe that the negative claim is to maintain a state of ignorance on the state of the Jovians.
Okay then let me make this abundantly simple for you...
Concord has Jove members, members we see from time to time. The Society of Conscious Thought is a Jovian one and one that is currently doing things like... I don't know giving every capsulleer with an active license a low class Jovian ship?
I know the Sansha like to make it sound like they killed the Jove but even if I was a hyper advanced technological race if I have the Jovian Disease I'd lay low too. As primitive as we are our shear weight in numbers would crush the Jove. Its a tactical advantage to be invisible been seemingly always watching. Makes you enemies doubt the hidings strength.
Now I'm totally open to the idea that there's only a few thousand Jovian in existence and I can totally see that they are playing one despret last game of smoke and mirrors in hopes of leaving behind something of value before they kick the bucket.
That said however I'm not about to write them off that sounds exactly like what they want us to think. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1688
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:06:00 -
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Kithrus, the Society of Conscious Thought is not a Jovian corporation. It is a religious one, based on Jovian ideas.
It has also not presented an actual Jovian member in quite some time.
And no, the Sansha did not kill the Jovians. What we did was went into their space (because it is something we can do that you cannot), and found their stations empty, their ships abandoned, and their people missing. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
133
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:39:00 -
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The SOCT is made up of people trained by people trained by people who studied the Jovian ways and methods. The SOCT ships are constructed off of ideas gleaned from works that were influenced by replicas of Jovian machinery. To claim that the SOCT is in any way directly linked with Jovians in the modern day is to misunderstand them. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1688
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:19:00 -
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Also, to my knowledge no one in CONCORD has seen a Jovian since the Jovian Ambassador went and spread his molecules across the universe in his failed teleportation attempt. |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
8070
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:36:00 -
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I'm sorry but I don't think I would trust any new unproven and untested cloning technologies. Who knows what could happen, especially with our capsuleer neural interface.
I'll stay with the current tech that is available to us until something else is tested and proven to work flawlessly with my ability to pilot ships and has similar failure rate as current capsuleer cloning tech. |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
37
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Posted - 2013.05.20 03:21:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Or the Jovians who are quite dead? Not dead, just hiding. And the proof of this claim...?
Why don't you fly into Jovian space and find out for us? Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord |
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Sanadras Riahn
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:41:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Also that film depicts capsules as glorified cokpits, rather than the sophisticate neural interface they are.
If we get down right to the heart of the matter, a Capsule is little more than a replacement for a command center or bridge for a ship. Sophisticated, neural-interfacing, what have you, at its core that's what it really is. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
232
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:49:00 -
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Sanadras Riahn wrote: If we get down right to the heart of the matter, a Capsule is little more than a replacement for a command center or bridge for a ship. Sophisticated, neural-interfacing, what have you, at its core that's what it really is.
That's disingenuous.
Anyway, to the OP; in the State, we got this Novel way of thinking. If you wanna see upgrades to our Capsuleer suites, then create that innovation yourself.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1477
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:12:00 -
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Oh, it's you again. Still wearing the tin foil and waiting for the 'final hours' before eggers and baseliners war against one another?
Ugh....
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Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
168
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:00:00 -
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I believe there is this old saying - "if you want something done right, best do it yourself." Even if you are "poor" by capsuleer standards, you could theoretically pour near unlimited resources to some independent research company on a planetary body. So why not fund the development of this new technology yourself? Frell, you could become the richest person that has ever existed if your research team manages this, most capsuleers would certainly pay your company untold billions for licensing such technology. Before your patent becomes public property you would be richer beyond your wildest dreams.
Actually, want to join forces? Doesn't sound so bad after all... |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
265
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:11:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:The SOCT is made up of people trained by people trained by people who studied the Jovian ways and methods. The SOCT ships are constructed off of ideas gleaned from works that were influenced by replicas of Jovian machinery. To claim that the SOCT is in any way directly linked with Jovians in the modern day is to misunderstand them.
Okay
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Kithrus, the Society of Conscious Thought is not a Jovian corporation. It is a religious one, based on Jovian ideas.
It has also not presented an actual Jovian member in quite some time.
And no, the Sansha did not kill the Jovians. What we did was went into their space (because it is something we can do that you cannot), and found their stations empty, their ships abandoned, and their people missing.
I thought I made it abundantly clear to you that I do not wish to speak to traitors. Don't address me again.
Secondly I have no reason to take your word on what the 'sansha did' in any capacity. They tolerate you at best and frankly you are nothing more then glorified cultist trying to summon a demon. Not the evil it self but an enabler.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
231
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:36:00 -
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I go planetside for a nice vacation, and all of a sudden we're back to beliving the Jovians are dead.
When I can take a spin in my ship up to their space, look at their dead bodies, and inspect their technology, then we'll talk. Until then, let's continue to assume they're still up there and kicking. 'kay? 10 Thoraxes, 3 Minutes Star Fraction vs. Band of Brothers - An Inside Perspective
https://truestories.eveonline.com/ideas/940-10-thoraxes-3-minutes |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1690
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:18:00 -
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Kithrus wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:The SOCT is made up of people trained by people trained by people who studied the Jovian ways and methods. The SOCT ships are constructed off of ideas gleaned from works that were influenced by replicas of Jovian machinery. To claim that the SOCT is in any way directly linked with Jovians in the modern day is to misunderstand them. Okay Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Kithrus, the Society of Conscious Thought is not a Jovian corporation. It is a religious one, based on Jovian ideas.
It has also not presented an actual Jovian member in quite some time.
And no, the Sansha did not kill the Jovians. What we did was went into their space (because it is something we can do that you cannot), and found their stations empty, their ships abandoned, and their people missing. I thought I made it abundantly clear to you that I do not wish to speak to traitors. Don't address me again. Secondly I have no reason to take your word on what the 'sansha did' in any capacity. They tolerate you at best and frankly you are nothing more then glorified cultist trying to summon a demon. Not the evil it self but an enabler.
Too bad. This traitor is right. If you wish to continue to live your life doing things that are the opposite of what traitors do, or discarding true information because of the source, then I would heartily like to recommend continuing to breath. |
chaosjj
State Enforcement Directive
25
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:32:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:I, and many others of whom do not wish to be named, demand new cloning implant technology to better protect us capsuleers.
We demand that our current implants be upgraded to copy our neuro-consciousness whenever we exit our capsules and send them to our cloning facility. While our brain is still functional (as in, not dead), the implants shall emit a small signal containing a stream of data of our experiences. Once that signal is interrupted, either by death or implant failure (or both), the cloning facility takes the stored consciousness and immediately deposits it into our clone. After we reawaken in our clone, the data stream will be played back to us, either by neurovisual stimulation, or via good old fashioned video feed.
This is a necessary step to ensure that capsuleers are safe from death while exiting our capsules.
The mercenary implant may seem more practical, but in reality it is almost is limited as our own Mind-transfer technology. The mercenary implant has a limited range, for it to work a CRU must be within a few kilometers of the soldier. We are restricted to our pods, but because our pods are connected to fluid routers, the range is practicaly limitless. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1489
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:27:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Technical stuff.
Despite any personal opinions that I have about Sansha and his army... I'll give credit where credit is due: When it comes to the science and technology neural implants, you guys definitely know your stuff. The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
265
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:33:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Kithrus wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:The SOCT is made up of people trained by people trained by people who studied the Jovian ways and methods. The SOCT ships are constructed off of ideas gleaned from works that were influenced by replicas of Jovian machinery. To claim that the SOCT is in any way directly linked with Jovians in the modern day is to misunderstand them. Okay Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Kithrus, the Society of Conscious Thought is not a Jovian corporation. It is a religious one, based on Jovian ideas.
It has also not presented an actual Jovian member in quite some time.
And no, the Sansha did not kill the Jovians. What we did was went into their space (because it is something we can do that you cannot), and found their stations empty, their ships abandoned, and their people missing. I thought I made it abundantly clear to you that I do not wish to speak to traitors. Don't address me again. Secondly I have no reason to take your word on what the 'sansha did' in any capacity. They tolerate you at best and frankly you are nothing more then glorified cultist trying to summon a demon. Not the evil it self but an enabler. Too bad. This traitor is right. If you wish to continue to live your life doing things that are the opposite of what traitors do, or discarding true information because of the source, then I would heartily like to recommend continuing to breath.
I was talking about you and your doing it again.
Now more to the point I don't dis believe you because of the source per say more to do that your the diet quafe of Sansha at best. You are not privy to Sansha Intel and nothing you say can make me believe that. Again your cultists want to be. You can't go into Jove space and I know this for a fact that since you turned coated on the empire I been monitoring your were abouts keenly for personal reasons.
Your a cult hoping the demons don't eat you when they arrive. Frankly your just delaying your deaths if Sansha makes any headway.
So no I'm not damning the source because your Sansha, I'm damning the source cause you think your Sansha. |
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