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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.08.03 13:33:00 -
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I've been hearing about the switch to limited-use BP copies and was just thinking this could open up a whole new type of ship sales. Right now, if I want a battleship there are 3 ways I can get it.
1) Just buy it for ISK. (Wish I HAD that much!)
2) Build one. (usually with a corp-owned BP)
3) Mine a TON of minerals and haul them to a builder, then pay a few million ISK for him/her to build the ship from them.
Number 3 is probably the easiest for a freelancer / small corp to do, but it has a problem. It's a real pain to haul all those minerals. But with limited-use BP copies, now there's a 4th option.
4) Mine the minerals, then buy a one-use BP for a few million ISK and build the ship right at the base you use for refining.
Essentially people will be able to do "bring your own minerals" deals for ships without having to actually fool with hauling the minerals. A small corp can order one or two battleships and get a BP liscensed for that many uses at about the same price as current BYOM builders charge for manufacturing, then gather the minerals at their HQ instead of trucking them all over the galaxy.
The same would apply to cruisers... people can buy a BP for 2 or 3 cruisers and then build them as needed. The owner of the original BP still makes a good profit (since the BP copies will hopefully be priced at about the same profit per ship as actually building and selling them) and small corps can build their own ships without spending a fortune on an original BP. Granted cruisers aren't that expensive, but the convenience of being able to build them where / when you need them instead of running around in a shuttle or noob frigate to pick one up would be worth it.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.08.03 17:29:00 -
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Well sure but you will see that the licences will cost more then BYOM choises... Reason is that making a copy takes up research time which is highly valued..
We do know that time to copy will depend on the amount of licenses but I am very sure that when it comes to cruisers and bigger ships it will still be considerable time to make only a few licenses.
I hope all keepers of originals now also will take the chance to yet again control the market. This is our real chance!
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.08.04 01:12:00 -
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Research time highly valued? After you have a few levels of mineral efficiency on your BPs there's not a lot you can do to them (unless they fixed production time research). Until there's something really USEFUL to do with labs (like making items better or developing new devices) I suspect copying to be the main use for labs...
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.08.04 05:13:00 -
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Well to get a hugh ME takes long time.. only level 5 or 10 isnt really that impressing... come with level 50 and I will say wow.. but on a cruiser or BS that is lots of time..
production time research is a waste of time.. sux so hard.. not even worth the time with BS
but yes.. one week for cruiser to get copied is absolutely lots of time..
i hate that labs can't be even more useful.. as all other similar systems the only good things come if you blow stuff up.. =(
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.08.04 06:44:00 -
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any me beyond 10 is nearly useless anyway, diminishing returns and all. on ship bp's it costs more for my corp to take a bp offline for research of me (beyond lvl 10) then u save from the better me lvl.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.08.05 13:34:00 -
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Jubeli do you even know how mineral research works? From the way you over value it it would seem that you don't.
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Malloy
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Posted - 2003.08.15 16:02:00 -
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to get back on track, what you're saying is it's not worth it (to you) to make and sell single use copies as a viable business venture?
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Kimi
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:57:00 -
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"Research time highly valued?.."
Yes, it is. Research time on ship BP's can be VERY long - more than 6 days per cycle on some.
Also, it takes a very long time to make a copy, otherwise, yes, that would be a good way to sell a "byom" ship. It can take 3 to 5 days to make one copy.
And, despite the claims, ME research beyond 10 for large ship BP's *IS* useful. Diminishing returns, yes, but the amount of minerals needed for a battleship makes it so you still get some addtional savings.
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LtCol RTButts
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Posted - 2003.08.17 01:16:00 -
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what is the current time on single batch copies for cruisers and battleships ?
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Silinary
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:36:00 -
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I know for a Celestis, a 1 use bp takes 7 hours to build. I would assume the same on most other cruisers.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.08.18 08:57:00 -
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Also, it takes a very long time to make a copy, otherwise, yes, that would be a good way to sell a "byom" ship. It can take 3 to 5 days to make one copy.
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sorry, but you are wrong here. 1 run battleship copy takes 15 hours to make.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=26475
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.25 12:54:00 -
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Oh by the way... that highly valued reseach time you spend researcheing ME is time you can't use the BP to build a ship.
What person in their right mind would turn down 10-15 Million ISK every 15 hours for a single license Battle Ship BP copy? You could make about 9 BP copies in the six days it takes you to get one level of ME. Thats 90 Million ISK you loose by researching 1 level of ME.
Now say you do a 10 million BYOM deal for a battleship. I see this advertised nightly on the trade channel so I am assuming this is a reasonable fee to work from. That means you have to keep your BP out of the lab, have enough minerals on hand to build one ship since no one in theigt mind is going to hand you 50 million ISK worth of minerals on good faith then wait for the battleship to be built.
Sorry but the more I look at it the more I think selling single run copies of ship licenses is the BEST way to make cash if you happen to own an origional BP.
After you get your single run BP copy have someone in your corp with Produciton Effency 5 build the ship for you.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.08.26 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 26/08/2003 14:24:53
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After you get your single run BP copy have someone in your corp with Produciton Effency 5 build the ship for you.
Is PE on BPCs fixed? Last time I made anything was last month, and I found that my BPC (same ME as the orig) demanded way more mins to build a cruiser. It seemed like the effects of PE didn't apply to BPCs. Is this fixed? If not, it still gives a reason for BYOM deals, especially for Battleships. If not, I'm shooting for a 1-run copy :)
BW.
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.08.27 23:28:00 -
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Ok this is annoyin me so here is how u do it.
Make uself coppies and use them to build ships
and have the original unlimited in reaserch.
Their simple
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Madog
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:30:00 -
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You could also call me ill bring my Tempest bp to your minerals for only 10 mill isk
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Greyhound
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:57:00 -
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Single run BPC are a very viable buisness opportunity.
Yes, it takes time to research a BP for Mineral Efficentcy. That makes your BPC more viable on the market, as you can charge a' little' more. (Especially now that Megacyte has gone through the roof again).
Yes, it takes time to copy your origional BPs, but single run copies are timed about right, compared to the item they produce. For instance, a Typhoon takes approximatly 16 hours to make a 1-run copy.
1-run copies are good for medium-sized corps as well. Often I have pilots asking for ships we do not have origionals for. It is much easier to get a couple of 1-run BPCs (and cheaper, as we have PE5 as well), than to buy/haul minerals to have them made.
Time is Money, spend both wisely.
--- Greyhound
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