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Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1470	Posted - 2013.05.19 04:22:00 - [1] - Quote I have a funny story to tell, it starts with a Retriever wreck, suicide ganked by somebody else. The wreck was yellow, and the icon was filled, meaning it had something in it. I swooped in turning my safety off to inspect the contents for shinies. Alas, no shinies. I'd been through a few systems salvaging in a cheap Navitas, armed with blasters for defence against rats. A ship not intended for PvP, with the sole purpose of making a quick profit by salvaging belts. So after inspecting the wreckage and determining there was nothing shiny enough to warrant going suspect, I warped to the next belt. I locked up the first wreck, and the second one, both blues, and pushed F2, my salvager, and got what I could from the first one. I moved to the second, and pushed F2... except it wasn't F2, it was F1. My safety was still off. BZZZZZT "Oh, woops," I thought, and awaited the inevitable. I got CONCORDED for accidentally firing on a blue wreck. The moral of the story is, don't fire on blue wrecks. I'm not upset. It was a minor loss of a really cheap ship. It was pretty damn funny. My corp is still teasing me over Mumble as I write this. For me, though, it's an ice breaker as well, because I was considering getting into a suicide gank Catalyst for weeks now, and something's been holding me back. I think this was it, because I'm fitting up a Cat right now. On the other hand, while I knew firing on a yellow would get you concorded.... a blue? That doesn't make sense to me. If someone can explain it, I'm all ears. I'm not petitioning the loss, it's not worth it. And these aren't tears, anyone in my corp can tell you we are all enjoying the hilarity of the situation. Especially my second loss... for my first criminal experience and not realising that when you have a criminal flag, concord will get you as long as you are in a ship, so undocking with a criminal flag in another ship would be unwise. Yeah... I did that too :p fortunately, it was just another navitas to go and loot/salvage the first one I lost. After the crim tag expired, I had a third one on standby to go get both, which I've done. So yeah, we all find it quite funny, we're just confused about how firing on an abandoned wreck constitutes a criminal offence. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Akali Kuvakei Eclipse Navy. Test Alliance Please Ignore 28	Posted - 2013.05.19 04:24:00 - [2] - Quote this needed a thread why?
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1470	Posted - 2013.05.19 04:32:00 - [3] - Quote Akali Kuvakei wrote: this needed a thread why? Because it's a funny story. And I'm trying to get some clarity on the issue of abandoned wrecks. If it's abandoned, it's alright to loot it without going suspect yeah? So how does firing on it make you a criminal? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Jarod Garamonde Action Bastards 177	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:06:00 - [4] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Akali Kuvakei wrote: this needed a thread why? Because it's a funny story. And I'm trying to get some clarity on the issue of abandoned wrecks. If it's abandoned, it's alright to loot it without going suspect yeah? So how does firing on it make you a criminal? because you used guns on something that wasn't red, in highsec.... "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1472	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:07:00 - [5] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Akali Kuvakei wrote: this needed a thread why? Because it's a funny story. And I'm trying to get some clarity on the issue of abandoned wrecks. If it's abandoned, it's alright to loot it without going suspect yeah? So how does firing on it make you a criminal? because you used guns on something that wasn't red, in highsec.... I can shoot a white wreck in high sec without the same problem. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1088	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:10:00 - [6] - Quote safety to yellow will let you loot wrecks without risk of concord in the future yeah blue wrecks maintaina degree of ownership for some reason vOv always have, and you're not the first to get concorded for it
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1214	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:38:00 - [7] - Quote Akali Kuvakei wrote: this needed a thread why? So that you would have an opportunity to test out your new found teen-age sarcasm. This is not a signature.
Zappity Kurved Space 88	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:41:00 - [8] - Quote I don't like this. I routinely shoot wrecks out of habit. I guess it stems from my wormhole days and not wanting to alert people to activity in an anom (or belt/plex). I will have to leave my safety on yellow if I ever go back to highsec. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1472	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:48:00 - [9] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: safety to yellow will let you loot wrecks without risk of concord in the future yeah blue wrecks maintaina degree of ownership for some reason vOv always have, and you're not the first to get concorded for it Thanks for the advice about the safety. I already knew this, but I'm used to just going straight to "off" for low-sec roams. I'll keep it in mind from now on. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 2713	Posted - 2013.05.19 10:15:00 - [10] - Quote Akali Kuvakei wrote: this needed a thread why? because cool story and also potato.
Six Six Six Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2013.05.19 10:24:00 - [11] - Quote If you fire on your own wreaks there's no problem because they're tagged as belonging to you. But a blue wreak won't be tagged as belonging to you.
Tanthos Tanthos Corp 59	Posted - 2013.05.19 10:34:00 - [12] - Quote I had absolutely no idea. Thanks for the warning.
Jarod Garamonde Action Bastards 181	Posted - 2013.05.19 12:00:00 - [13] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Jarod Garamonde wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Akali Kuvakei wrote: this needed a thread why? Because it's a funny story. And I'm trying to get some clarity on the issue of abandoned wrecks. If it's abandoned, it's alright to loot it without going suspect yeah? So how does firing on it make you a criminal? because you used guns on something that wasn't red, in highsec.... I can shoot a white wreck in high sec without the same problem. Yes..... for the same reason you can shoot a corpmate, in highsec. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1089	Posted - 2013.05.19 12:23:00 - [14] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: safety to yellow will let you loot wrecks without risk of concord in the future yeah blue wrecks maintaina degree of ownership for some reason vOv always have, and you're not the first to get concorded for it Thanks for the advice about the safety. I already knew this, but I'm used to just going straight to "off" for low-sec roams. I'll keep it in mind from now on. (i've never bothered going anything but yellow in lowsec, either - yellow lets you shoot anything except pods, and the safety doesn't even work in null) e: ah, but turn it to red if you fly logistics!
LittleTerror Illuminated Foundation Trust 50	Posted - 2013.05.19 12:33:00 - [15] - Quote Interesting thing happened when I was fighting a frig vs frig fight in highsec once, they were suspect flagged at the start of the fight, I was getting low on structure so I disengaged and start running out of his/her range (coward I know) However I continued to shoot at his/her drones and had my drones on him/her, and then I saw he/she was now struggling with cap and running low on shield him/herself. Seeing the fight was soon to swing in my favour I got back into range and started shooting, suddenly I'm sitting in my pod, ******* concord had spawned and decided to gank me... Yes my safety was on, yes this person was still flagged to me, no clue as to what happened, they had no idea either...
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Nyratic 288	Posted - 2013.05.19 12:58:00 - [16] - Quote Had a friend lose a fully faction fit Omen Navy Issue this way. To this day I wish I had of at least put a target painter on him to get on the mail. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec.
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 437	Posted - 2013.05.19 13:26:00 - [17] - Quote LittleTerror wrote: Interesting thing happened when I was fighting a frig vs frig fight in highsec once, they were suspect flagged at the start of the fight, I was getting low on structure so I disengaged and start running out of his/her range (coward I know) However I continued to shoot at his/her drones and had my drones on him/her, and then I saw he/she was now struggling with cap and running low on shield him/herself. Seeing the fight was soon to swing in my favour I got back into range and started shooting, suddenly I'm sitting in my pod, ******* concord had spawned and decided to gank me... Yes my safety was on, yes this person was still flagged to me, no clue as to what happened, they had no idea either... Had that happen once to me when I started. Friend and I are busy fighting an enemy, Im in a blackbird he is in a tengu, Suddenly navy spawn and we both lose ships he gets podded for his troubles. He got refunded I didnt. Best bet is that your timer ticked off in between your firing and the server registering hit, thus it thought you fired on a neutral. (Go into a high tidi enviroment and watch the firing then the impact messages, they are actually taking place over 3 ticks, one for order, one for impact, final for message relay) (also a good way to get past camps as they take ~1.5 seconds to scram you even with instalocks)
Sabriz Adoudel AWOXalypse 351	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:44:00 - [18] - Quote This is why you fly on yellow safety in highsec, except when planning a suicide gank. I don't think anyone except Psychotic Monk knows ALL of the ins and outs of Crimewatch in corner cases. AWOXalypse is coming! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2898431 Buy shares: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=226618 An enemy is a friend you stab in the front.
Ager Agemo Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:18:00 - [19] - Quote if you shoot a white wreck while on a missions fleet concord will kill you if your mate was not in your corp. so don't shoot white wrecks either, I lost a fully navy fitted CNS for that.... and no got no reimbursement as expected.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 106	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:35:00 - [20] - Quote That just CONCORD tryin' to keep you down. The space-rich don't like a man to be up and comin' cause they scared for they paper. The space-rich runnin' that CONCORD, they be tellin' them to shoot you, dawg.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 1039	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:58:00 - [21] - Quote Maybe we should be allowed to shoot all white & blue wrecks? Its worth a discussion. Shooting whites though is funny where its sometimes a concordable ofence & somethimes i isn't due to fleeting rules & corp/alliance ownership versus fleet lootablility. An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum 173	Posted - 2013.05.21 03:22:00 - [22] - Quote Good to see you're taking your loss on the chin there. I think wrecks do need to be fleshed out more in the tutorial since salvaging is a good way of making that early amount of money and the salvaging tutorial doesn't cover the do's and don'ts about wrecks well.
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 84	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:08:00 - [23] - Quote Well, if it helps I once lost a Machariel and its deadspace mods to CONCORD from shooting a can. A red can. Luckily, contrary to popular belief, the logs did show something, and I got it back.
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1481	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:24:00 - [24] - Quote Not to worry, I replaced both ships quite easily and then built a catalyst and ganked a retriever to make up for the losses. Then they activated a 0isk killright on my, so now imma be dodging everyone until I can get back out to nul with the rest of my corp. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 519	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:08:00 - [25] - Quote For future reference, safety yellow lets you steal stuff, but safety green allows you to look at it before you steal. You could have done all that you did without turning your safety off at all. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's.
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1484	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:21:00 - [26] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: For future reference, safety yellow lets you steal stuff, but safety green allows you to look at it before you steal. You could have done all that you did without turning your safety off at all. This I wasn't aware of either. Does anyone else think the safety breaks eve a little? I mean I don't want this to turn into one of "those" threads, but it just makes it more fiddly doesn't it? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 520	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:26:00 - [27] - Quote Have you seen EVE before the safety system? It was similar but more confusing, and there was always a way to exploit it due to any tiny programming error somewhere. The new system has redundancy, and it is clear how it works. I like it and I don't see any problems with it. I think everyone should understand how highsec works. If it gives people too much power in highsec, then I think that's a problem with what highsec offers, not the safety system. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's.
Kate Stenton Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming 45	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:26:00 - [28] - Quote I shot a blue wreck last night. It was not a corp or fleetmate's and I had my safety on. I think the blue wreck you shot was a white square.
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1485	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:03:00 - [29] - Quote Kate Stenton wrote: I shot a blue wreck last night. It was not a corp or fleetmate's and I had my safety on. I think the blue wreck you shot was a white square. Nope, it was a wreck. I know what I'm shooting at. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1485	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:04:00 - [30] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Have you seen EVE before the safety system? It was similar but more confusing, and there was always a way to exploit it due to any tiny programming error somewhere. The new system has redundancy, and it is clear how it works. I like it and I don't see any problems with it. I think everyone should understand how highsec works. If it gives people too much power in highsec, then I think that's a problem with what highsec offers, not the safety system. I've been on EVE for a long time now. Yes, I preferred it without the safety. Cheers for the rundown though. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.

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