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j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.18 16:45:00 - [1] When i started this corp my aim was to creative an active mega corp deisghned to lower market prices through production. Massive mining ops lowering minral prices, our goal is to destabilize the market making eve's market fairer prices, we wish to work in to with other corps achieving this. The empires market atm is not stable, everyone attempts to raise prices to out do each other, ship prices rise and fall so dramatically that is becomes unstable to find a decent ship price. The tech II market also flunctuates wildly everyday destabilizing the market, low sec becoomes more and more dangerous for low sec POS and 0.0 POS systems. 0.0 IS THE INDY JACKPOT and alliances fail to see this. Let us in, we can lower prices, with the right access to minrals and 0.0 pos stations, we can do what u need, lower a deimos prices from 120 to 60mil, lower a mega's price from 110 - 50 mil. ALL WE NEED is access to enuff minrals (i.e rares) so we can achive this. Help us help u Any corps wishing to work with us on this pls contact Me or Lt Silver Via eve mail or drop into SASSF and ask for either of us. Prices can drop, all u have to do is ur part here Such is Life
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.10.18 16:55:00 - [2] why would alliances want to derail their last money making jackpot the high end ores ? You seem to missunderstand that the high mineral prices benefit the alliances because the "workhours" put in mining otherwise cant compete with the "workhours" put in ratting or agentrunning (who bring pure isk and loot). Last but not least its moot to debate if cheaper minerals will increase or decrease t2 item prices. While the mentioned megathron might indeed get cheaper i doubt the deimos will. For a few very easy reasons (seen with the t2 caprecharger module). The ppl producing those ships / items know they have a "part of the winner cake" hence they can dictate about the limited amount of items available and they have buyers regardless of the price. This means even if 1 produce of deimos sells them at 60 mil the others wont change prices because they know he can only produce his x ships per day and that there are far more willing and paying customers to pay even double the sum (because they do so today and the bpos dont collect dust any second). The reason why t1 is directly connected to mineral prices is that the bpo is publically available. This means sooner or later you will find 100s of producers covering the full demand and exceeding the demand so the cheapest seller tries to grab customers. T2 market is a way different story with limited bpos and a customerbase which is never satisfied.
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.10.18 17:22:00 - [3] If you seriously think you can profit from building a megathron for 50 million, then you need to learn something about production and market mechanics.
MilkMonkeyMan	Posted - 2005.10.18 18:10:00 - [4] Edited by: MilkMonkeyMan on 18/10/2005 18:10:07 Idiots Read what he said
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.10.18 19:49:00 - [5] Originally by: j0rz The empires market atm is not stable, everyone attempts to raise prices to out do each other, ship prices rise and fall so dramatically that is becomes unstable to find a decent ship price. I think someone needs to pick up a 'basic economics for dummies' book. ^^
MilkMonkeyMan	Posted - 2005.10.18 20:16:00 - [6] this posty wasnt for replies, it was for an annoucnemnt
j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.18 20:53:00 - [7] FINALLY Sumone who understands what im trying to do. Im not in this for profit, i want to cut prices and to do that i need 0.0 access and guards THIS WILL HELP EVERYONE But yet no one wants to do it, funny no? Such is Life
VonKaplanek III	Posted - 2005.10.18 20:59:00 - [8] What are you smoking?
Kleric	Posted - 2005.10.18 22:36:00 - [9] So you want access to 0,0 minerals .. and want an alliance to protect you while you mine .... is it just me or isnt that just like .. being in an alliance? 99% of what i post is bull**** and in no way represent my corp or alliance
F'nog	Posted - 2005.10.19 00:06:00 - [10] Originally by: MilkMonkeyMan this posty wasnt for replies, it was for an annoucnemnt Then it shouldn't have been made on a public board. Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
Aussie Trader	Posted - 2005.10.19 00:24:00 - [11] This calls for an empire war dec tbh.
Ander	Posted - 2005.10.19 00:35:00 - [12] Did we hit you slightly too hard the day when we took down your op into 0.0? Come on.. Insurance is 30mill for a full 105mill payout. This would leave 25mill in pure profits just by keep buying a 50mill mega and insuring then blowing it up. Magic isk 4tw! http://www.eve-pirate.com http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=233017 Pirating 4 fun videos.
Jorev	Posted - 2005.10.19 00:38:00 - [13] Eve economy should be used in colleges to teach economics. Then when ppl grow up they don't come up with unrealistic ideas.
Khatred	Posted - 2005.10.19 00:43:00 - [14] Player Driven Economy. At least for tech 1 it works. Back to Utopia, please. ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2005.10.19 04:23:00 - [15] I love the current economics. Supply and demand differ from regions and systems and with half a brain you can use this to squeeze money out of your fellow players Many times have I found where demand for a specific product is high and started to sell the product at a price where all my merchandise will sell for the most profit. If a player doesn't want to travel 10 jumps to save 5m isk, then it's his choice. If you want to sell a megathron for 50m, fine, then I'll buy it from you and put it up on the market for 110m. Minimum effort to gain lots of isk, which I'll then put to effective use by blowing people up. And believe it or not, as long as people like me exist (and there are plenty) there will never be any "cheap" markets. If we spot a region where a specific item is sold cheaply compared to others, we'll be there and make sure to make use of this knowledge. Something you misunderstood was that high prices aren't unbalance. The price is just as high as the demand is. Low demand = low prices, high demand = high prices. Very simple. If all of my products sell in a couple of hours then ofcourse I'm selling too low and will just raise the price and will continue to do so until I've reached the point where demand and supply is in balance. Try to go against this system, and you'll be faced with many difficulties "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
F'nog	Posted - 2005.10.19 05:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Koth Krakenworth Try to go against this system, and you'll be faced with many difficulties Who else finds it deliciously ironic that this is by someone in a corp called Teamsters? Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.19 10:30:00 - [17] Edited by: j0rz on 19/10/2005 10:30:47 War Deec? Get a life And if u idiots would just stop and read the damn post and actually think about what i said AND NO i dont need protection in 0.0, and alliances don utilize there minrals properly, I INTEND TO DISRUPT u idiots, i am sick of deadling with people who cant think beyond f1, f2 , f3 dont understand f1, f2, f3 Such is Life
Intak Atak	Posted - 2005.10.19 10:33:00 - [18] Another gold post from j0rz
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.10.19 10:40:00 - [19] I'll give you access to high end ores if you sell (not give) my corp 8 tier 2 BS a day at 50 mil each. I'll even GIVE you BPC's to do it. Contact me in game.
CLEISTHENES2	Posted - 2005.10.19 11:03:00 - [20] I am sorry but rofl...
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.10.19 11:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 19/10/2005 11:17:48 I once got a warning, and it's not that long ago even, for using a word like 'idiot' on these forums... Anyways, I can only assume you're either new to the game or either not very good at understanding the basics of economics, as you make it sound it's a good thing to have Megathrons sell at 50mil... I prefer that Megathrons sell at roughly 150-200mil, and the Dominix (since we are using Gallente ships anyways) at 100-125mil. It'll will make it so that new players can't fly battleships right away, and first need a decent amount of experience and time invested in the game. EvE isn't a game where you can log in and get all the good stuff immidiatly and cheap(unless you're a Dev ), you actually have to work for the ability to kill faster or survive longer by enhancing your skills (RL wise), invest time and effort in the game by learning about your enviroment. If this doesn't appeal you, I heard about games like Counterstrike Source and WoW. Perhaps try them out one day... ------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2005.10.19 11:32:00 - [22] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 19/10/2005 11:38:49 The main factor that makes the prices is the number of producers vs. the demand (lower limit = min price of course, if there is no demand ). The price for the deimos is like it is, because there is a high demand and the number of producers and production runs per week is limited. Even if everyone brings his own t2 components the number of t2 ships produced per week can't rise I think. I heard of one deimos bpo owner, who isn't playing at the moment and who has his BPO is in research. So one BPO less for the production. How many are there ? 8 BPOs in total ? 'What I write usually only refects my own opinions, not the ones of my corp.'
Equinox II	Posted - 2005.10.19 11:34:00 - [23] If you can make me tier 2 battleships for 50 mill then I'll buy as many as you can make
j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.19 13:45:00 - [24] Edited by: j0rz on 19/10/2005 13:46:15 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 19/10/2005 11:17:48 I once got a warning, and it's not that long ago even, for using a word like 'idiot' on these forums... Anyways, I can only assume you're either new to the game or either not very good at understanding the basics of economics, as you make it sound it's a good thing to have Megathrons sell at 50mil... I prefer that Megathrons sell at roughly 150-200mil, and the Dominix (since we are using Gallente ships anyways) at 100-125mil. It'll will make it so that new players can't fly battleships right away, and first need a decent amount of experience and time invested in the game. EvE isn't a game where you can log in and get all the good stuff immidiatly and cheap(unless you're a Dev ), you actually have to work for the ability to kill faster or survive longer by enhancing your skills (RL wise), invest time and effort in the game by learning about your enviroment. If this doesn't appeal you, I heard about games like Counterstrike Source and WoW. Perhaps try them out one day... And we al knowwhat kind of person u are dont we? u like to rub in the face of new players that u can do things they cant. POWER HAPPY And belive me i have extensive pvp experience and 0.0 experience, i want to lower prices, just ebcause u brought all ur isk off ebay doesnt mean everyone else does mega for 150-200mil? wtf ur lame... Such is Life
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2005.10.19 13:49:00 - [25] Comedy Gold Thread. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.10.19 13:57:00 - [26] So you want to go into other peoples territory and mine? If we are to do what you say that means controlling 0.0 would not be that profatible as everyone would be selling zydrine/megacyte at low prices. I've ogt an idea, join an alliance!
CLEISTHENES2	Posted - 2005.10.19 14:07:00 - [27] Originally by: j0rz Edited by: j0rz on 19/10/2005 13:46:15 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 19/10/2005 11:17:48 I once got a warning, and it's not that long ago even, for using a word like 'idiot' on these forums... Anyways, I can only assume you're either new to the game or either not very good at understanding the basics of economics, as you make it sound it's a good thing to have Megathrons sell at 50mil... I prefer that Megathrons sell at roughly 150-200mil, and the Dominix (since we are using Gallente ships anyways) at 100-125mil. It'll will make it so that new players can't fly battleships right away, and first need a decent amount of experience and time invested in the game. EvE isn't a game where you can log in and get all the good stuff immidiatly and cheap(unless you're a Dev ), you actually have to work for the ability to kill faster or survive longer by enhancing your skills (RL wise), invest time and effort in the game by learning about your enviroment. If this doesn't appeal you, I heard about games like Counterstrike Source and WoW. Perhaps try them out one day... And we al knowwhat kind of person u are dont we? u like to rub in the face of new players that u can do things they cant. POWER HAPPY And belive me i have extensive pvp experience and 0.0 experience, i want to lower prices, just ebcause u brought all ur isk off ebay doesnt mean everyone else does mega for 150-200mil? wtf ur lame... Listen here chump...making statement is one thing and insulting another players knowledge is another. Extensive pvp and 0.0 experience you may have, economics skills u don;t have. Production ppl in empire sell tier 1 or tier 2 bs's or any other equipment based on the base value of the minerals in that region and how much minerals it takes to build those ship or equipment. Even if you mine, unless u have dedicated miners mining, you can only pull in so much of one sort of mineral. Unless you live and breath in this game you are not going to be building 10 bs or even 5 bs's a day, that could balance the time you spent mining, the time you spent hauling, the minerals u have lost due to station taxes, and the time it takes to build a bs or anything on that case. All this needs to give you profit. Saying give you access to 0.0 you will utlise the resources to the full extent...may well be true. Have you considered how far the station is from the mining spot, how many runs with a hauler you would require to carry all those raw mins to the refinery, and blah blah. Even if you have the best refining array in a POS, you only have 75% efficiency in refining, regardless of skills. And you sir have not considered the full facts of reality in game for you to be stating such facts and calling other players 'idiots'. So have more respect for ppl who are stating the facts to help you realise that your suggestion in selling tier 2 bs's for 50mil is never going to happen.
DjDangle	Posted - 2005.10.19 14:13:00 - [28] Edited by: DjDangle on 19/10/2005 14:13:36 Originally by: Jorev Eve economy should be used in colleges to teach economics. Then when ppl grow up they don't come up with unrealistic ideas. Funny you should mention that, read this article: Toms Hardware Eve Economy Review ------------ "On My Signal, Unleash Hell" -I speak for my corp. Not our Alliance-
j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.19 14:17:00 - [29] Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Originally by: j0rz Edited by: j0rz on 19/10/2005 13:46:15 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 19/10/2005 11:17:48 I once got a warning, and it's not that long ago even, for using a word like 'idiot' on these forums... Anyways, I can only assume you're either new to the game or either not very good at understanding the basics of economics, as you make it sound it's a good thing to have Megathrons sell at 50mil... I prefer that Megathrons sell at roughly 150-200mil, and the Dominix (since we are using Gallente ships anyways) at 100-125mil. It'll will make it so that new players can't fly battleships right away, and first need a decent amount of experience and time invested in the game. EvE isn't a game where you can log in and get all the good stuff immidiatly and cheap(unless you're a Dev ), you actually have to work for the ability to kill faster or survive longer by enhancing your skills (RL wise), invest time and effort in the game by learning about your enviroment. If this doesn't appeal you, I heard about games like Counterstrike Source and WoW. Perhaps try them out one day... And we al knowwhat kind of person u are dont we? u like to rub in the face of new players that u can do things they cant. POWER HAPPY And belive me i have extensive pvp experience and 0.0 experience, i want to lower prices, just ebcause u brought all ur isk off ebay doesnt mean everyone else does mega for 150-200mil? wtf ur lame... Listen here chump...making statement is one thing and insulting another players knowledge is another. Extensive pvp and 0.0 experience you may have, economics skills u don;t have. Production ppl in empire sell tier 1 or tier 2 bs's or any other equipment based on the base value of the minerals in that region and how much minerals it takes to build those ship or equipment. Even if you mine, unless u have dedicated miners mining, you can only pull in so much of one sort of mineral. Unless you live and breath in this game you are not going to be building 10 bs or even 5 bs's a day, that could balance the time you spent mining, the time you spent hauling, the minerals u have lost due to station taxes, and the time it takes to build a bs or anything on that case. All this needs to give you profit. Saying give you access to 0.0 you will utlise the resources to the full extent...may well be true. Have you considered how far the station is from the mining spot, how many runs with a hauler you would require to carry all those raw mins to the refinery, and blah blah. Even if you have the best refining array in a POS, you only have 75% efficiency in refining, regardless of skills. And you sir have not considered the full facts of reality in game for you to be stating such facts and calling other players 'idiots'. So have more respect for ppl who are stating the facts to help you realise that your suggestion in selling tier 2 bs's for 50mil is never going to happen. I am fully aware of what i am suggesting an researched this, u fools wanan flame the hell out of me because u think it cantbe done, and with idiots like u controlling alliance space it never will be. Such is Life
CLEISTHENES2	Posted - 2005.10.19 14:20:00 - [30] You should be baned from posting...ppl are suggesting to you and you keep calling em idiots....next time i see you in space...you better wish u did not cross my path.

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