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Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:06:00 -
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o/ fellow Minmatar pilots as well as other shipmates.
I have been working on a specific plan for Frigate PVP and have been trying to fine tune my tactics and fits. I currently am piloting a Dramiel and have a solid fit set up for it. I want to change my fit to suit and compliment a fellow corpmate who is piloting a Worm. The idea is this: I spec in tanking, DPS, and ECM Drones. My wingman specs in Warp Scrambling, Webifing, and Capacitor draining. As well as secondary DPS.
I would engage and deploy ECM drones prior to my wingman arrives. Ideally pull aggro and preventing locks. He would then warp to me, tackle and help neutralize our target. In theory this should allow us to take on most Frigates and even Destroyers and some Cruisers.
What are your thoughts? Helpful criticism please. I am not a new pilot however I have not completely ventured in the art of Frigate PVP.
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Thanks in advance to all who help me out |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:46:00 -
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Sounds good, but why have him warp to you. You can die in that time. |
Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:06:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Sounds good, but why have him warp to you. You can die in that time.
The idea is to keep him from running before I can tackle him. Two frigates might scare most away before we can preventing him from warping. If they think its only one Frig they might stay for the fight. Then bring in the second set of guns with the worm |
Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:08:00 -
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Its sort of a bait and tackle maneuver. If we camp a gate or a wormhole we would both be present |
Cable Udan
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:29:00 -
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If you don't have tackle on your Dram then the target will just warp away if he feels the fight isn't going his way. Some pilots will warp as soon as they see the Worm on short range d-scan.
There's no reason not to have conventional fits on both ships, tbh.
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:47:00 -
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Faction frigates in general make alot of people run away. |
Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:06:00 -
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Okay. So we should both fit for dual propultion and one of us have a warp scrambler. Then we would hunt together. I was going for a surprise attack. Keeping my med slots open for shield buffs and target painters. |
Cable Udan
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:20:00 -
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Benny Artrald wrote:Okay. So we should both fit for dual propultion and one of us have a warp scrambler. Then we would hunt together. I was going for a surprise attack. Keeping my med slots open for shield buffs and target painters.
What? You don't need target painters. And you both don't need dual prop either. Dual prop works on Drams but you both don't need it.
How are you fitting your Dram, out of interest? And the Worm for that matter.
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Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:30:00 -
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Cable Udan wrote:Benny Artrald wrote:Okay. So we should both fit for dual propultion and one of us have a warp scrambler. Then we would hunt together. I was going for a surprise attack. Keeping my med slots open for shield buffs and target painters. What? You don't need target painters. And you both don't need dual prop either. Dual prop works on Drams but you both don't need it. How are you fitting your Dram, out of interest? And the Worm for that matter.
I'm on my phone so I can get exact fit later. But in a nutshell
200mm AutoCannon II x2
Light Missile Launcher
Med shield extender
1MN Afterburner
1MN Microwarpdrive
Warp Scram
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure
Overdrive Injector System |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:35:00 -
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You're over-thinking. The situation that fits this tactic is rare and is more readily resolved by other, easier means.
If you can keep your target jammed with drones, all you need to do is break his tank -- easily done if buffer, less simple if passive or active.
If you really want to keep your target interested without a point, bait tank and hold your ECM. This may mean gimping your DPS to fit more active rep.
Consider using the Worm for bait. Its natural shield resist bonus and ample drone bay give it more staying power than the dram. |
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Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:48:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:You're over-thinking. The situation that fits this tactic is rare and is more readily resolved by other, easier means.
If you can keep your target jammed with drones, all you need to do is break his tank -- easily done if buffer, less simple if passive or active.
If you really want to keep your target interested without a point, bait tank and hold your ECM. This may mean gimping your DPS to fit more active rep.
Consider using the Worm for bait. Its natural shield resist bonus and ample drone bay give it more staying power than the dram.
I thought about that. Like I said its a working progress and I was looking for advice. Thank you. Ill play around with that fit and post it in a bit |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:12:00 -
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Looking forward to seeing your results. Good hunting. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:41:00 -
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Don't fly expensive things when you don't know how to pvp.
The isk doesn't compensate for your lack of skilll.. it just makes your losses more painful.
Go for a slasher/whatever he wants.
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Raegnar Danneskjold
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:55:00 -
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I have to agree with Garviel here. I recommend you learn the basics prior to jumping expensive hulls. The performance edge provided by the pirate faction frigates will be negated by a lack of experience. Well-fit frigates and destroyers can cause an equal amount of havoc for a fraction of the cost, leaving you more hulls to play with as you rack up experience. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:12:00 -
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Nobody in their right mind would bother engaging a dramiel unless they landed on it at 0 and it was sitting still.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:41:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody in their right mind would bother engaging a dramiel unless they landed on it at 0 and it was sitting still.
I go for Dramiels in my Incursus..
So does pretty much everyone i fly with.. There is a lot of TERRIBLE dramiels out there.
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Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.21 06:33:00 -
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Trying to bait in a pirate faction frig kinda loses the point.. While some ppl kill em left and right, if you want a good chance to bait and work with a friend use a dual rep incurs with an AB/web/scram.
Your friend can fit a gank merlin (200+ dps) with mwd/dual web/shield buffer and a bunch of dps/speed mods in lows in case you come across kity ppl (kiters would prob just run away but you can easily kill brawler frigs/dessy and possibly ****** cruisers with that combo)
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feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:54:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Don't fly expensive things when you don't know how to pvp.
The isk doesn't compensate for your lack of skilll.. it just makes your losses more painful.
Go for a slasher/whatever he wants.
^^ really, really good advice.
A Slasher/Tristan combo would give you similar utility for a small fraction of the price.
You WILL die a fair bit when you're learning pvp in frigates. Turn it into as a good thing - work out why you think you lost, what you think you did right/wrong and what you would do differently. FRAPS helps a lot as you can play back your fights and analyse what happened to some extent.
If I could give you any advice, it would be not to be risk-averse. It's a mindset I struggled to overcome when new to the game - I used to over-analyse fights before they happened and end up not engaging anything I wasn't certain I could kill in nearly empty systems, but now I just get stuck in and have a go (within the bounds of common sense). Flying faction frigs may also mean you don't engage as often as you should as they are expensive to lose.
There's nothing quite like emerging flaming but victorious, hands shaking, from a fight that on paper you really shouldn't have won!
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:31:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody in their right mind would bother engaging a dramiel unless they landed on it at 0 and it was sitting still.
I go for Dramiels in my Incursus.. So does pretty much everyone i fly with.. There is a lot of TERRIBLE dramiels out there.
I think net total time i've seen a dramiel on grid is probably under 5 minutes. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:49:00 -
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Dramiel with ECM drones 
I would totally hit that because it looks like a new player.
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:16:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Dramiel with ECM drones I would totally hit that because it looks like a new player.
actually yeah, if a dramiel came at me with ecm drones I'd probably go for it too XD |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:52:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody in their right mind would bother engaging a dramiel unless they landed on it at 0 and it was sitting still.
I go for Dramiels in my Incursus.. So does pretty much everyone i fly with.. There is a lot of TERRIBLE dramiels out there. I think net total time i've seen a dramiel on grid is probably under 5 minutes.
Thats because dramiel pilots tend to be risk adverse assholes ^^
You see them less and less these days though.. I've only fought one in over a month and that bugger got out in low armor.
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Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
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Posted - 2013.05.21 22:34:00 -
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I'd engage a Dramiel simply because it's a Dramiel and why not. Lots of them die easily. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:39:00 -
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OP, your corp name is lacking an apostrophe
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:29:00 -
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Hells (noun, plural)
Mark (verb, plural, present tense)
...admittedly missing a direct object, but a sentence none the less. We are describing the action of multiple hells in the sense that they mark. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:04:00 -
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I have to agree that a dram doesn't make very good "bait" in the classic sense of the word. Folks will largely either stay clear of you. And those that do engage will likely have you countered somehow and dead before your worm can arrive.
I personally only fly dram in fleet/gangs where I can dart in and out of the brawl fast enough to not get cooked too badly. It is an interceptor after all. Make the initial snag and then pass out off to the heavy tackle ;) then get range from the rest of the gang of targets before they can burn you down. Then be ready to snag someone else if/when they start to break for it.
Since the T1 frigs got buffed the window for engagement has narrowed down to where the T1s will out perform in a number of cases. |
STSxLight
Corporate Scum
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:19:00 -
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you wont get good fights in a dram, people will run away, the ones who dont will already know your fit and will kill you :) start with cheap stuff and fight in FW sistems GL :)
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Benny Artrald
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:21:00 -
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Thanks for the advice. I'm not the most veteran of players so I appreciate what I can get. And I didn't make the name of the Corp. But thanks to those few English teachers out there. I'll make sure to let my CEO know he has to attend third grade again. |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:50:00 -
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Do people still fly Dramiels? I'll be honest, I've literally seen a Dram like once in the last month, and he didn't take a fight vs my Firetail. I literally don't even know how they're fit anymore, as the "standard" dramiel fitting was allegedly obsolete after the nerf a while back?
Actually, anybody know how to properly fit a dramiel? I kinda of want to fly one now. I need a change of pace.
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Cable Udan
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:08:00 -
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Garresh wrote:Do people still fly Dramiels? I'll be honest, I've literally seen a Dram like once in the last month, and he didn't take a fight vs my Firetail. I literally don't even know how they're fit anymore, as the "standard" dramiel fitting was allegedly obsolete after the nerf a while back?
Actually, anybody know how to properly fit a dramiel? I kinda of want to fly one now. I need a change of pace.
I've not seen a Dramiel for ages, probably about once a month, same as you. Even then it ran from my Merlin which made me sad panda.
As for properly fitting them, I've just thrown this together in pyfa: It's the old-school dual prop fit but dumbed down so it fits:
[Dramiel, dual prop cheap]
Internal Force Field Array I
Gyrostabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[Empty High Slot]
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Warrior II x3
Warrior II x1
All V Stats:
EHP 6.5k
38/29/47/55
Cap stable at 47% with MWD, 83% with AB
MWD: 4293/6152
AB: 1579/2081
Guns: 151/173
With drones: 199/222
I suppose it works. Might dust off my Dramiel when I get back from Afghan, though I've heard the semi-pimped armour fit still works post-nerf.
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