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Ray Starkey
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:12:00 -
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Hi, I just started this game 3 days ago and so far I'm really liking it. I've been trying most of the tutorial missions such business and military but I'm finding the exploration part most interesting so far. However there are some things about it which I really don't get.
I did some of the exploring missions until the magnetometric site scanning. The previous one got me stuck for a while but after searching for a few tutorial videos I got the general idea of how scanning and probing works and quickly finished it. As for this one, I am literally stumped despite being the same procedure more or less. The readings I get from probes are extremly inconsistent; even after narrowing down my readings to one single dot the moment I try to decrease probe radius to get a better signal I completly lose track of it, making me start over and over... I've seen several tutorials on how to do this and they never seen to lose track of results by reducing the radius where I'm pretty much guaranteed to find nothing the moment I go from 8->4 UA. It's really frustrating. The results are so inconsistent it makes scanning a real chore. I understand results aren't going to be accurate at low signal strenghts but is there a way to reduce the margin of error? Also, what is the best approach: first find a high signal reading and work my way from there or first try my luck trying to narrow the reading down to 1 dot and only then try to get the signal up? I've seen both being used in different tutorials.
many thanks :o |
Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:35:00 -
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The red dot (and even the yellow symbol) have built in signal errors, and what this means is that the dot is NOT where the site actually is. The server knows where the site is, and displays dots for you AROUND the real location (some at quite a distance from the real location). Every time you re-scan, it tricks you with another dot location that is NOT the site, within the margin of error. Which means, if you center on a red dot, you're not centering on the location, and you could reduce the probing volume to the point where the actual location is outside your probes, so your signal disappears.
You cannot go to the smaller and smaller probe sizes if this happens to you. The only thing you can do is increase the scanning strength by using a specialized exploration ship, use higher grade probe launchers and probes (Sisters version, T2 version), train up the Astrometrics skills for a better signal and the ability to use more probes at the same time.
In general, the listed % accuracy for the dot, in your scanner, is also indicative of the margin of error. If your probes are currently set at 4 AU and you're getting 50% on your signal result, that's 2 AU of error in any direction. You're really only pinpointing the actual site if you're yellow at about 85-95%. You can kinda watch the dot and where it keeps jumping, and figure out the center of that space, but you won't get a warp bookmark until you hit 100% and some of the rare sites require high skills trained and a ship with bonuses, modules, and rigs installed.
Anyway, the other reason for a disappearing signal is someone else found the site and completed it, which makes it despawn and disappear. |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:20:00 -
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As I understand it, the scanning system is being revamped (some say dumbed down), I've not played with the new version on the test server, but I can tell you that next month the scanning system is being overhauled, so if I were you I would just wait and use this time to skill up.
Go with the Code.
www.minerbumping.com |
Draqone an'Alreigh
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:14:00 -
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See my profile for 3 easy steps to get through that tutorial.
Inducing the proliferation of common sense throughout EVE Official forums since April 27th, 2013. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:37:00 -
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My standard advice in this scenario: make sure you have cleared all filters. |
Torrentula Chromus
Eye of the Void
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:25:00 -
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Going smaller scan radius is not always good. If you lose track don't move anything and go back up a size to get signal again. You can increase the signal strength without decreasing the scan radius by moving the probes even closer togeather. Hopefully enough to make that red dot turn yellow then you can go down a size. Its not only about going smaller but also how close your probes are. To close though the signal will start to decrease but you really have to get right up in there for that to happen. I'm using 6 probes. 4 side and a top and bottom.
Like Oraac said you need to check the boxes for lad, grave, and radar in the filters section because mine were disabled by default. So whenever I tried to scan something beyond 25% I lost signal. I think they go from unknown to a known type that gets filtered. With only astrometrics lvl 2 I was locking down 80% of everything I found. Being that these are training ones you should be able to get them easily. Check filter settings for sure. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:31:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:My standard advice in this scenario: make sure you have cleared all filters.
Yup this is a big one.
The scanning system doesn't know what type a site is until it's about 50% down or something like that.
Until then it doesn't know to filter it.
So if you cross that threshold filtered signatures will look like they disappear.
The Drake is a Lie |
Ray Starkey
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:54:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. I managed to finish this after a lot of trial and error but eventually moved on to other careers until the said exploring remake happens. probably won't take long until I have another noob question for this forum, haha |
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