Second Life and Pixel Barbies is that way ------->

Don't let the stupid looking new launcher hit you in the ass on your way out.

Well for people like you, space invaders is that way too. Go play your silly pew pew spaceships game, I'm looking for a complete sci fi virtual world.

I bet you watch poarn movies then whine about the plot.

Like I said....

Second Life is that way ------>

Thanks for making my point. You aint getting it here. Not now, not ever.

Is Incarna toxic? I always had the impression it was monocle-gate that was the real complaint and that was geared more toward the 'real money for virtual goods' side of things. Would the players have reacted less outraged if it was -ú60 for a shiny addition to a ship over a monocle for an avatar?

If you think CCP is going to invest any more money than it's contractually obliged (Dust, Play station, Lounge) before Star Citizen is released your insane. CCP will of course keep the money train that is EVE on the rails to farm it till the last second but new game content such as walking in stations is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Eve is a cash cow on it's last legs, why do you think all these plex deals occur and now a total neglect to enforcing bans on botting? Zero investment is taking place and the policy is cash, cash, cash for the time being. Maybe Star Citizen will flop but CCP is not going to bet on that by investing in EVE before it's clear.

I'm mad because I'm paying to play a game and the money is going to provide PS3 users something for free that EVE Players were supposed to get.

If you think CCP is going to invest any more money than it's contractually obliged (Dust, Play station, Lounge) before Star Citizen is released your insane. CCP will of course keep the money train that is EVE on the rails to farm it till the last second but new game content such as walking in stations is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Eve is a cash cow on it's last legs, why do you think all these plex deals occur and now a total neglect to enforcing bans on botting? Zero investment is taking place and the policy is cash, cash, cash for the time being. Maybe Star Citizen will flop but CCP is not going to bet on that by investing in EVE before it's clear.

Sure EVE is totally healthy that's why CCP punted 1/2 the dev team last year...

Stuff....

3D work should port nicely, but the engines are totally different. Avatars, and multiple avatars on screen, are solved problems in the UNREAL engine (which DUST uses) long since.

Most of the issues around avatar gameplay and CARBON have been solved, or are being solved, by the WoD team. They had to fork CARBON to do it, so it's not just a matter of taking their work and plugging it back in--but then, code trees get forked all the time, as it were, and there are lots of nice tools available for merging changes back into the trunk. In the mean time, it's not really shocking that avatar gameplay is being developed for a property where it's the only gameplay.

I believe Hilmar, or someone senior, was quoted as saying that what we have in EVE is a "prototype," and their technology has advanced considerably beyond what we see. The only questions are whether they'll roll that work back into EVE, and, if so, when.

Given the reaction to Incarna-the-release, I don't think they'll do it before they're absolutely confident that they have something good.

Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.

What do want? WiS!
When do we want it? NOW!

Although I outright support WiS developement, "Eve is dying" is a terrible argument for it. Because it really isn't. Sub numbers, and active players are up, botters are down, and the last expansion brought in more new players than any previous expansion. Doesn't really matter how much we complain about content additions, ultimately the game is thriving.

That said, Eve really does need to look to the future. WiS adds the fantastic opportunity for free to play content. The MMO market is headed there eventually and it won't be long before new sub MMOs wont work. Eve will probably continue to work because it has a dedicated playerbase but CCP still need to keep up with the pace.

Imagine if you will, an Eve Online where the stations are fleshed out, and anyone can play Eve for free. Free accounts come in, and can walk around but can't leave station in their own ship unless they pay for a pilots licence, which also gives them skill training abilities. If you need to move to another system you need to find someone with a licence to take you there. Imagine the tears you would get from ganking a passenger hauler filled with free accounts. It would be glorious. There would be a lot more courier contracts for the carebears because many players wouldn't be able to haul goods themselves. Everyone benefits.

Having said the above, I am not sure the Eve servers could handle the amount of players that would be brought in by a free to play model.

A good bet to when human avatar based gameplay will be introduced in Eve-O is after WoD has been released.

Is Incarna toxic? I always had the impression it was monocle-gate that was the real complaint and that was geared more toward the 'real money for virtual goods' side of things. Would the players have reacted less outraged if it was -ú60 for a shiny addition to a ship over a monocle for an avatar?

LOL you logged into Playstation Home.

I'm looking for a complete sci fi virtual world.

Human avatar based gameplay has already been introduced to the Eve-O universe. It's called Dust, and by all accounts it works pretty nice.

Here's the thing. The different graphic engines only apply to the clients. The server doesn't use any graphics, so the server doesn't need to cater to different graphic engines.

And there's been made a big deal out of merging Eve and Dust of late. So, on the server-side, human based avatar gameplay already exists.

I know the actual servers are different, but data is shared among tranquility and whatever the dust server is called. So, the two servers can communicate and share data. It seems trivial to me to make it so that human avatar data is exchanged as well.

The dust servers do the human avatar gameplay. The eve server does the flying in space thing.

It's all a matter of slushing players between the two servers.

And graphically, it's all handled by the client anyway.