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Michel Licari
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Posted - 2003.08.04 02:30:00 -
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I can see none...
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Let someone else do your work...
In 1.0 space, Concord protects you.
And if u get killed, it was just another Alternate Character...
'To fight when others fold, pursue while others retreat. conquer while others quit and make right when all else is wrong' |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.04 02:50:00 -
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Here's a disadvantage..
ITS FASTER TO MINE YOUR OWN DAMN ORE
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.08.04 04:07:00 -
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not always
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Othnark
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Posted - 2003.08.04 06:28:00 -
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Disadvantage:
1) People use secure containers or take their ore back in their hull without jetisoning and you dont get squat.
2) Having to listen to whiners complain about their ore being theived
When are people going to figure it out? Its not stealing. Yeah it may be lame but hey you jetisoned it live with it. CCP has already confirmed their stance on this issue. When are people going to quit with the whining?
-Othnark
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.04 08:08:00 -
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A disadvantage is that you don't make many friends doing it. Nor much money.
And someone with balls would destroy you for it.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.04 08:37:00 -
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A disadvantage is that you'll be even more hated than M0O were when they were villified for using a "cargo can exploit".
You'll only get ore from smaller corps anyway - larger corps. usually have systems in place to take care of ore thieves or griefers.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Propehcy
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Posted - 2003.08.04 11:09:00 -
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josh, you seem to be a cool mannerd, nice, constructive guy... you wouldnt happen to know some of these methods would you?  got my own corp starting out, id like to here about this particular thing. and if you dont want to post it here, plz send me off an eve-mail ingame
Proph
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
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The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2003.08.04 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Shakor on 04/08/2003 11:50:08
I have several known ore theifs on my address book so I know when they are on line. (that is when the address book works). I see the likes of buba and just leonard come on line, then everyone in the chat window says they are chasing them, then they go off line again after about 15 minutes.
I ask what is the point? Once the word gets out that they are on line they will be able to steal from no more than a couple of cans before people collect it all and stop using this method until it is safe.
Not to mention that everyone with a cruiser will track you down. (including me and my thorax). Sure they will get attacked by concord but 3 cruisers will make minced meat of you faster than concord can respond and get away with nothing more than a sec rating hit.
It will happen one day and the only thing stopping it is the common sence of the ore theifs to dock as fast as they can. what can you do from inside a station? nothing that makes money that is for sure.
And when you get borde and realise that there is no money, it will be harder for you to make real money as people will still hunt you for some time even if you have changed your ways.
They can't make more than 200000 isk a day like that. I can make 1.5 million a day doing my own mining. If you are after money then don't bother. If you want to add some flavor to the game or just be a total s$%&face then by all means, do it. Who knows..... we might even meet one day. Now won't that be lovely? |
Nogg
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Posted - 2003.08.04 11:57:00 -
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I think it's so funny that people think ore thiefs make no more then 200,000 isk per day. OMG If that's all ore theifs made they wouldnt bother, wake up! obviously there's good isk in it or they wouldnt do it. I see some of these ore thieves get blown up in thier indi and thier right back out with another one! How do they manage that on 200,000 isk a day?
And on the other side of the coin i've seen idiots go after them and get thier cruiser blown to hell by concord...now let me get this striaght instead of grabbing your own indi and cutting your losses to the thief getting one load. You decide to shoot at them and lose a 2m+ isk ship?!?!?
Someone fill me in on the logic here.
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2003.08.04 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Shakor on 04/08/2003 12:30:35
then can you answer me this then. What can an ore theif do in the short 15 minutes that they are on line, of which atleast half of that they are getting chased?
Don't forget that the money piles up too. they may not make much in a day but they don't die every day either. and since they don't have the balls to go and fight npc pirates, they will not spend their money on weapons, ammo, cruiser skill books, better ships etc...
And I never said it wasn't a money maker. just not a quick money maker and it is no road to getting a battleship any time this decade. Not to mention that in indy does not cost millions in the first place. they can buy a new one every 2-3 days.
As for people attacking them. One person taking them on would no doubt lose their ship to the police before the ore theif lost theirs. But if you read my post carefully, you will see that I never said a single person should do that. I said that a group of them can kill the ore theif and get away clean. as long as the guy with the toughest ship shoots first, they can then get away before concord gets them and the others can mop up. it only takes about 10-20 seconds to blow them into a pod.
the only problem is trying to get them. but if people band together to atatck them in mass, they have no luxury of safety even in 1.0 space.
I repeat, you might as well just mine your own ore. It's faster. I can buy a new indy every day with the money I make. it will take them a lot longer. |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.08.04 13:26:00 -
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on good days you can make 1,5 mil isk in a few hours, with no refining skills.
This is not a hijack
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.08.04 13:32:00 -
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Only disadvantage of being an ore thief is you get all those -20.00 standings to corps and all the whining you have to put up with. As for stealing from larger corps its very possible. Saturday morning I stole 2.5 million isk from 2 thoraxes and a megathron. Even raced their bestower to the can one time. Eventually they got smart and camped their can. I made that money in an hour and fifteen minutes. Easy money if you know where to steal from. *wink*
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Naughty Girl
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Posted - 2003.08.04 18:06:00 -
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A disadvantage is that you don't make many friends doing it. Nor much money.
And someone with balls would destroy you for it.
Words of a fool. I average 1.5-2 Mil per hour.
Best day I've ever had was about 4 hours and made close to 12 Mil. You do the math.
--- Arguing over the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded. --- |
Naughty Girl
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Posted - 2003.08.04 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Shakor on 04/08/2003 11:50:08
Not to mention that everyone with a cruiser will track you down. (including me and my thorax). Sure they will get attacked by concord but 3 cruisers will make minced meat of you faster than concord can respond and get away with nothing more than a sec rating hit.
Oh my god you fool I've got 17 cruisers to date who have died at the hands of concord. many of which dropped pretty nice stuff. you're a moron plain and simple.
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They can't make more than 200000 isk a day like that. I can make 1.5 million a day doing my own mining. If you are after money then don't bother.
refer to my last post reply. and 1.5 mil a day legit mining is pathetic. It's prolly better if you just delete your char and quit the game. you will never be anyone or get anywhere
--- Arguing over the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded. --- |
Propehcy
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Propehcy on 04/08/2003 22:06:24
I feel i must defend darius a bit here, so im going to.
1.) 1.5m a day is not very good, but thats probly becuase you dont have the right ship/equip/place.
2.) GIRL is just flaming. so here points (if there were any) dont count for much.
GIRL - did you not READ is full post? he said 2-3 cruisers, gang on the theif,******him and warp out. who cares if YOU lost 17 cruisers. that just shows your prowess in "combat" but losing that many cruisers, essecially to police, says that you're doing something to **** off concord (not that it takes much, but still you're doing something). Dont like losing cruisers? DONT **** OFF CONCORD. simple eh?
The only shred of an acual point i saw in either of your posts was "1.5m of legit mining a day is pathetic". ever think he has deifferant ship/equip and mines differant ore then you?
hats off to being ignorant.
Proph
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Jiere LaFortune
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:11:00 -
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Here's one for you. Better hope you don't get caught in a low sec system by one or more of the guys you've recently stolen from.
Pirate Bravado |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:56:00 -
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The disadvantage is that you will be vommit out by every single corporation who finds out about it, you will be spit out after they hurled a bit.
Also the advantage about _NOT_ thieving ores is keeping your self dignity and showing your mother raised your well... Instead of showing you lack intelligence and are a pure end result of inbreed.
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2003.08.05 09:59:00 -
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First of all, thanks Proph. It's kind of hard to defend yourself while sleeping.
And yes, my mining opperation may be small. My current set up is a cruiser with 4 mining lasers pumping ore into a can. (not advanced lasers).
But I can tell you this much. I have never lost a cruiser to Concord. and, as usualy, I suspect that girl never read the whole post. Either that or you have trouble mastering the English language. Either way is entirely forgivable. I repeat, 'A GANG!!!! of cruisers.'
As for how much money you make, I susspect that you are preying in an area where the people are not as quick to respond to you. If you came to our area of space where me and my Tech School buddies mine, (and no I am not going to tell you), you would not make as much money off of us. We tend to band together and take on ore theives. You would either get chased out of the system and not make as much money, or get destroyed.
How do I know this? Because thats what I see every day in our region. They come on line, then someone says, 'My ore has been pinched by xxxxxxx.!' Then the theif gets chased and goes off line again. and we don't see them until the next day. You are welcome to give this a try as you no doubt, as i said earlier, have no guts or are not brave enough to steal from anyone but a noob.
And as was mentiond about being rejected by corps, in our area, an ore theif came down the highway recently and made quite a small fortune. One of the persons she stole from was in a large corp based in the next system. She was foolish enough to stick around and got attacked by a small army and had to log off. and no, non of the ships were destroyed by concord. Which only validates my point further.
Now go sit down and watch the telly Tubbies and behave child. |
Squelch
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Posted - 2003.08.05 10:18:00 -
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You steal something from someone who spent hours of real time to get it. Where's the difference between doing it in Eve or doing it in real life? You're stealing from someone plain and simple.
If this were some arcade game where isk was easy to come by it wouldn't be so bad but it takes a long time to get anything in Eve. Especially people who are new to the game.
If I stole from people in real life then I would have no problem being an ore thief. As it stands it's just not in my character.
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Main
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:27:00 -
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You'll only get ore from smaller corps anyway - larger corps. usually have systems in place to take care of ore thieves or griefers.
Until ccp remove those systems through another "bug fixing, content adding" patch.
Main
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Naughty Girl
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Propehcy on 04/08/2003 22:06:24
I feel i must defend darius a bit here, so im going to.
1.) 1.5m a day is not very good, but thats probly becuase you dont have the right ship/equip/place.
2.) GIRL is just flaming. so here points (if there were any) dont count for much.
GIRL - did you not READ is full post? he said 2-3 cruisers, gang on the theif,******him and warp out. who cares if YOU lost 17 cruisers. that just shows your prowess in "combat" but losing that many cruisers, essecially to police, says that you're doing something to **** off concord (not that it takes much, but still you're doing something). Dont like losing cruisers? DONT **** OFF CONCORD. simple eh?
The only shred of an acual point i saw in either of your posts was "1.5m of legit mining a day is pathetic". ever think he has deifferant ship/equip and mines differant ore then you?
hats off to being ignorant.
Proph
17 cruisers were lost to me...as in concord owned them.....ever heard of context clues? correcting a persons ignorance is not flaming....just like i'm doing now
--- Arguing over the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded. --- |
Naughty Girl
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Propehcy on 04/08/2003 22:06:24
I feel i must defend darius a bit here, so im going to.
1.) 1.5m a day is not very good, but thats probly becuase you dont have the right ship/equip/place.
2.) GIRL is just flaming. so here points (if there were any) dont count for much.
GIRL - did you not READ is full post? he said 2-3 cruisers, gang on the theif,******him and warp out. who cares if YOU lost 17 cruisers. that just shows your prowess in "combat" but losing that many cruisers, essecially to police, says that you're doing something to **** off concord (not that it takes much, but still you're doing something). Dont like losing cruisers? DONT **** OFF CONCORD. simple eh?
The only shred of an acual point i saw in either of your posts was "1.5m of legit mining a day is pathetic". ever think he has deifferant ship/equip and mines differant ore then you?
hats off to being ignorant.
Proph
17 cruisers were lost to me...as in concord owned them.....ever heard of context clues? correcting a persons ignorance is not flaming....just like i'm doing now
--- Arguing over the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded. --- |
Not RedDwarf
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:57:00 -
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U can attackt ore thieves, if your sec rating in high enough, u wiil only lose about a .5 rating and killing npc rats will soon but that back up, I of my corp mates attacked a peasant ore thieve in a 0.9 area and concord didn't bat an eyelid, i believe he even attacked out side the station and concord did nothing.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.05 13:32:00 -
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Please don't call me a fool. There is not as much money to be made ore thieving as there is doing other things. You say you made 12 million in 4 hours.. You seem quite proud of that (as you should, that's a lot of other people's stuff), so I'd imagine that is among one of the best days out you've managed so far. But don't mistake the exception for the rule.
I could say pirating was insanely difficult because I lost a cruiser, and made no money all night once.
I could also say it was exceptionally well paid, because one night we held up a battleship, and got an assload of money in 20 minutes.
Neither of these are exactly true. Pirating is just 'regular' difficult, and 'regularly' well paid.
When miners start being less retarded/greedy/ignorant, then your profits will start to sink. Although I don't see this happening any time soon.
And the whole ore-teef situation makes me chuckle anyway. 
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Well, during my downtime... Like when people dock, and don't want to come out and fight, I ore steal, yep, sure do. Its fun, rolling up in your indy at a whole 178m/s with 3 after burners on. Opening the can, pulling out a big chunk of ore, and repeating it. It's something to do. If they are gonna use non secure cans, its their problem, anything in space is everyones. My ore stealer guys name is Turrak, so if ya see him local hide your ore or its all mine.
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Ramar
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Posted - 2003.08.06 11:30:00 -
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You don't seem to have constructed that sentence too well. During your downtime?
What do you mean by this? How can you steal ore in down time? who can mine ore in downtime? Am I missing something?
And 178m/s with 3 burners? My god man whats the point.
Let me set this point down first. I have no problem if someone wants to steal ore for a living. I would just rather it be made more difficult for them so they have to at least struggle for their money like the rest of us.
I also have no problems with pirates as they make life interesting too.
I know that this word gets thrown around all to often, but ore theiving is a mild exploit. Why? Do not confuse it with a cheat.
An exploit is where someone takes advantage of a game feature. in real life, it would not be so easy to steal in broad daylight. If I was standing right nex to my car and someone just jumpend in and tried to take the sterio, I would beat them senseless. Sure I might get done by the police, but they won't appear right beside me, throw a net over me so I can't get away, and then kill me for it.
I posted an idea on how to make ore theiving a little harder for them, without making it impossible, in the idea lab a while ago. I might re post it because I feel it needs to be in the game.
By the way. as for people not having the sense to use secure containers, you obviously have not checked the stats. they hold less ore then my cruiser can. |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:02:00 -
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Can someone explain to me why its needed to compare a game to real life?
But for the sake of argument:
Indeed its hard to steal in broad daylight, but i know tons of friends who have gotten away with it. And i know worse crimes then stealing that people can get away with if they are a toerist and they is no evidence.
yet, comparing real life to a game which is about space and shuttles makes no sense. For our real life is nothing like the game. Are you sure that if time comes, that we all own a real space ship, that there is a concord like system? Its probably too expensive to exist, even then.
Convince me it makes sense, and i will value your argument more.
This is not a hijack
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Ramar
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ramar on 06/08/2003 12:33:05
All I am saying is that if there is a concord system here in the game, they should make some use of it.
And as far as I can see, CCP ae trying to make the game contain elements of reality aroun that of science fiction. If you read any books based on sci-fi or fantasy or any other work of outlandish fiction, crime does not go unpunished.
I don't think that this game should be an exception. If I wanted to play a gime about crime I would play GTA Vice City. and even then I get chaced by the police for shooting people and stealing a car.
And as for my example, I was using it as a comparrison. Please don't take it to heart too much. Are you seriously saying that since this game is unrealistic in concept then it should be unrealistic in content too? Life is life and if CCP are trying to create it in a virtual futuristic world, then they should do their best to adress all issues of life.
Unless this is some paralell dimension where the inocent get punished and the guilty roam unmolested. |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:00:00 -
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I know you loath the argument, but perhaps the concord doesn't work well because it doesn't concider 'cleaning up containers' as thieving.
and i have seen the real life argument before, and for me it just doesn't counts as an argument.
This is not a hijack
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Jim Hawkins
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:30:00 -
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The ore thief debate continues and TBH I find the whole thing rather funny even as a one time ore thief victim myself - thank you naughty girl 
The point is, this is only a game. What are you really losing? Time I suppose, but then how is that any different from investing time in a particularly tough 'boss fight' in a console game only to get yer ass kicked right at the last?
My advice is relish the variety that exists in this wonderful (if sometimes buggy game). and learn from your experience. keep alert and don't give thieves the opportunity. If I had been, I wouldn't have been a victim.
Alternatively, spend some time moaning and whining about how unfair everything is and why can't I have the best guns and the most money, blah, blah...
Choice is a wonderful thing isn't it?
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