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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:25:00 -
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It just simply dosnt work. Let me blimming well shoot who I want, and let them shoot me (ok I understand this is an Extreme, but if Policing is going to be in force, make sure its fair to all, or take it offline until it is). Either that or fix it, so when Tank CEO turns up in Tamo (0.3 sector) and starts shooting the **** out of my corp, he gets the same treatment that one of my Indi guys got for killing a ore thief in an Ibis earlier that SAME DAY in the SAME SPACE (death).
Thx. xx
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:27:00 -
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... starts shooting the **** out of my corp...
Lol.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.08.04 19:16:00 -
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lol, tell it like it is EddZ :)
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Jayce Wildstar
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Posted - 2003.08.04 20:51:00 -
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Molly is laughing because she is taking advantage of the very exploit you are describing. Her security rating is at -9.9 so when she locks onto and fires at you she doesnt take a security hit, hence the cops never show up. She can sit at a gate and try and kill you before you make it out. The cops wont show up unless she destroys you, but all she has to do is jump away once you are dead. SHe tried this on me last night. The whole encounter cost me over a million isk, over 400k for insurance for my new moa + 589k in repairs because I didn't have any armor or hull repairers on me at the time.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:02:00 -
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If Molly is using an exploit, shouldn't she be banned?
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Beseb
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:05:00 -
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Molly is unbannable, she quits the game every two days...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 04/08/2003 21:37:43
"Molly is laughing because she is taking advantage of the very exploit you are describing."
...I thought Molly was laughing at the idea of m3g4 member actually shooting **** out of anything.... :s
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:35:00 -
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Bah...I like Molly. She's fun to talk to if given a chance. Quite intelligent as well.
Of course the outfit helps alot too (I wish there was a leer emoticon right about now).
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Crepiscule
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:48:00 -
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Either that or fix it, so when Tank CEO turns up in Tamo (0.3 sector) and starts shooting the **** out of my corp, he gets the same treatment that one of my Indi guys got for killing a ore thief in an Ibis earlier that SAME DAY in the SAME SPACE (death).
Thx. xx
>0.3 space isn't secure and the police wont show. I believe there is a nice warning message that is displayed when you jump to those systems. Mine has been turned off for sometime so that may have changed.
Now had you been near a station or jumpgate, the guns would have fired, unless you happened to be at war with their corp.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.04 23:33:00 -
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If that is the case that cops don't show up in 0.3 then why is it that if you attack a can theif the cops turn up in full force and make you pay?
Yet when a pirate camps a gate and attacks people with +ve sec rating the cops don't turn up?
I beleive his point was that something is wrong if the cops turn up when a good guy shoots someone with +ve clearence but don't turn up when a -ve clearence person shoots someone with a +ve clearence.
The cops only turning up when you take a security hit (if that is true) will clearly lead to exploits with players who can no longer take a sec hit because they are -9.9
Yes 0.4 space and lower is dangerous but lets face it, concord reactions are just a little one sided.
They don't attack npc pirates that are attacking players.
They don't attack by the sounds of the above post they don't attack PC pirates that attack players.
But they do attack PC players who attack PC players. Even if they attack them in 0.3 space.
Very strange behaviour on the part of concord.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.05 09:22:00 -
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Crepiscule
Please take the time to read the original post b4 putting finger to keyboard.
In same system, same day, My friend gets "policed" for firing upon a can thief, yet a full blown pirtae, sits at a gate, guns blazing on many members of my corp (only 1 died), and NOTHING happens.
Total and utter bs. We have no problem with the "dangers" of 0.3 space, we do have a problem with the pirates being treated better than the people who live in and support the system, by the half assed, stupid as flcuk, "oooooh look Daddy gave me a battleship" Concordian wing nuts. Thats all.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2003.08.05 09:37:00 -
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Apparently -9.9 sec ratings can parade around in 1.0 systems.
This whole Concord thing has gone on long enough. You can shoot a mine and incur the wrath of 10 concord ships who will destroy utterly an entire battleship in the presence of real pirates and ore can thieves while one jump away an entire region is held hostage by gate camping griefers. Intelligence must accompany the use of deadly force.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 05/08/2003 11:25:53
I am not exploiting anything.
I stated I will be bashing people in 1.0 and I said why. If the cops are too slow to show up in 1.0 and I can smash someone there; fine, not my fault.
They shouldn't have mess with me in Providence, and 1.0 would be safe from me.
When I attack someone in 1.0, the COPS either attack me instanlty there, or upon the destruction of a ship or they don't show up at all :P.
I guess it depends whether they are ****ing and eating donuts or not at this time.
I don't care. Next time I will use even heavier weapons and some torpeods which will destroy the targets, regardless of cops jamming me or not.
It is pure roleplay. Stay out of Providence CONCORD, so will I stay out of your 1.0 systems.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:28:00 -
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Eddz dude, under 0.5 cops NEVER show up no matter what happens. So if you shoot someone in 0.3 you'll just get a sec hit, you wont be pounded by cops.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:30:00 -
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Btw, Jayce Wildstar. Don't assume too much. I was laughing because I know how Tank CEO shoots the **** out of some people.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:53:00 -
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Vice. As I have said, a member of my corp lost his thorax, for firing upon a plumb stealing Ore in an Ibis. This was in same system as Tank opened fire and eventually killed one of our members.
It just seems to me, that Concorde don't follow any set rules, and that any rules they do decide to follow, dont benefit the "honest Law Abiding" citizens.
I didnt mean this thread to seriously tbh, and Tanks actions towards us, werent honestly that bad, just seems to me, that they (Concorde) should either do or dont, not do when they feel like it, and dont when they feel like it :)
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Captin Zed
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Posted - 2003.08.05 13:13:00 -
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KIAEddZ, I think Concord do follow a set of specific rules (From an event triggering point of view).
If you know how the system works you can usually avoid hostile reactions from them, or even use there reactions to your advantage.
Unfortunetly with all new systems there are a few areas that get overlooked, like having -9.9 Sec Level so you can't get a security hit, so no Concord show up.
In my opinion the people who are aware of this and *repeatedly* use it to kill other players are just using an exploit to grief people.
Hopefully this will be addressed in a patch REAL soon, as well as the issue of losing SEC level in 0.0 space, this also is a problem.
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Crepiscule
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Crepiscule on 05/08/2003 14:23:10
Edited by: Crepiscule on 05/08/2003 14:20:20
Your friend who fired on a can thief in .3 must have been mistaken. Cops do not show up in .3 space. .4 and below is safe to pirate and shoot ore thieves.
No need to be rude either, I was simply explaining the sec system to you. Most likely he was in .5 space.
Perhaps you should listen to your own advice and read posts more carefully before posting and insulting someone for trying to explain and help you.
As to the system where the pirate was camping the gate, I have no answer for it. If there is an exploit that allows this, I'm sure they will be banned. Otherwise the only time the guns at the gates haven't fired was when I have fired on someone I was at war with.
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Salgurdar
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Salgurdar on 05/08/2003 14:27:21
I learned today, to my dismay, just how completely stupid CONCORD really are.
I warped into a gate in a 0.8 security system, and was immediately hit by a couple of mines. The guy that was laying them just happened to be still laying them when I arrived, so I thought I'd clean house. Well, I fired on a mine destroying it, and recieved a security hit. My first thought was "WTF??", it was then I realised my fatal flaw, as the gate guns opened fire, and I was instantly swarmed by 10 CONCORD police, instantly webified x 10 and, also instantly, warpjammed x 10. Meanwhile, the mook who'd laid the mines just floated there watching it all unfold. I couldn't help but wonder why me shooting a mine incurred the fullest fury of CONCORD, but this guy laying the mines that HIT me in the first place, got no punishment. Needless to say, I was pretty ****ed off to lose my days old scorpion for doing little more than attempting to make the universe a safer place. I'm only hoping that CCP see the wisdom in re-embursing me for the loss.
"We all know what we are, we're just haggling about the price" - W.C. Fields
Rolschau > anyway... because some jerk today... (it is soon 5 am) will turn on the smoke alarm all over the place and then go inside our room to check.. then I will stay up and not get a shock while sleeping and die.... I will be playing eve untill the jerk shows up
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Crepiscule
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Salgurdar on 05/08/2003 14:27:21
I learned today, to my dismay, just how completely stupid CONCORD really are.
I warped into a gate in a 0.8 security system, and was immediately hit by a couple of mines. The guy that was laying them just happened to be still laying them when I arrived, so I thought I'd clean house. Well, I fired on a mine destroying it, and recieved a security hit. My first thought was "WTF??", it was then I realised my fatal flaw, as the gate guns opened fire, and I was instantly swarmed by 10 CONCORD police, instantly webified x 10 and, also instantly, warpjammed x 10. Meanwhile, the mook who'd laid the mines just floated there watching it all unfold. I couldn't help but wonder why me shooting a mine incurred the fullest fury of CONCORD, but this guy laying the mines that HIT me in the first place, got no punishment. Needless to say, I was pretty ****ed off to lose my days old scorpion for doing little more than attempting to make the universe a safer place. I'm only hoping that CCP see the wisdom in re-embursing me for the loss.
I believe the next patch is set to address this problem.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:35:00 -
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Getting hit by a mine is *not* an aggressive act that calls the cavalry in?
Man, that's utterly flawed :/
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Crepiscule
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:39:00 -
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Getting hit by a mine is *not* an aggressive act that calls the cavalry in?
Man, that's utterly flawed :/
I think if you're in the system and one of your mines goes off you take a sec hit, and if it's in .5 and above space the cops will come for you.
It's the shooting of these mines by the victims that is the problem. People shouldn't be attacked by concord if they are clearing mines from jumpgates.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:39:00 -
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That's why it's fixed in the next patch :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Razin
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:52:00 -
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I think if you're in the system and one of your mines goes off you take a sec hit, and if it's in .5 and above space the cops will come for you.
From what Tharrn is saying it sounds like he *was* hit by a couple of mines and the guy laying them didn't get attacked by CONCORD (in a 0.8 sec system). Sounds like an exploitable bug.
Tharrn, did you file it?
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Darodem
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Posted - 2003.08.06 07:10:00 -
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Concord desperately needs to be more responsive to pilot's needs. There needs to be a way to surrender to Concord. It is tremendously unrealistic that a battleship would be destroyed over some mines. Next patch bleh..
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.08.06 10:04:00 -
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I agree - Concord action is really crap most of the times! You have several 1.0 systems with NO concord in it like Amarr ... yeah, imagine:
a -9.9 sec PC pirate in there? LOL fleets of newbs killed and no reaction? haha
wont even talk about mines - we got our sec hit when one of our corp mates thought to better remove this silly mine and, jep exactly -> concord came and hit!
what a BS
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Main
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Posted - 2003.08.06 10:14:00 -
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Molly is not exploiting the game, she has just bribed all the concord fleet commanders with her hot body and good loo....hmmm....molly is exploiting the game and exploiters should be banned.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.06 11:42:00 -
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**** you Main. I am not exploiting anything here.
I wonder why the mods do not lock threads where people are accused of using exploits?!
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Jiere LaFortune
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Posted - 2003.08.06 11:57:00 -
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beacause in space, no one can hear you whine.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:00:00 -
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**** you Main. I am not exploiting anything here.
I wonder why the mods do not lock threads where people are accused of using exploits?!
Because their looking into your case right now?
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:13:00 -
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The way I see it Molly is a pirate and I can imagine what she did to get a -9.9 sec rating.
Now there appear to be a bug that results in her not being punished for doing the very thing that got her the -9.9 sec rating.
Is Molly supposed to stop being a pirate because the CONCORD doesn't pound her ass anymore
Maybe she can be a good sport and call the CONCORD herself or better yet punish herself for being a naughty girl... 
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:40:00 -
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Unless I'm mistaken, Molly first became a pirate after a flaw in system security managed to put her to -5 ss, when there should have been no effect at all. And rather than wait two months to get back up to 0, she's taken what she was offered. Piracy and killing.
I didn't see a great deal of sympathy being handed out to her then, for a harsh security rating injustice.
And I doubt she will have much sympathy for others if the sec standing problem works *in* her favour.
Molly's position is a direct result of failed game security working against her.
If she was doing anything wrong, then I'm sure a GM would have given a warning.
But I can't see that she is doing anything wrong anyway.
It's not her fault the gate guns don't work. It's not her fault Concord don't respond quick enough.
Unless the devs make a public statement to say that shooting people in empire space is an exploit, then it isn't. If nobody were allowed to fire inside empire space, they wouldn't sell guns there.
This whole situation just reeks of nerf-demander backlash.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:56:00 -
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If it wasn't clear than I agree with you drunken, I was only using Molly as an example of a pirate (imo pirates add flavors and excitement and are therefore good for the game... bad for Dust Puppy  ).
My point was that I don't see any easy way for Molly or any pirate with a -9.9 sr not to use this so called exploit.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:37:00 -
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I wasn't replying to you, puppy. I was typing while you posted
It was just to the general anti-molly consortium.
Anti-pirate complaints, and the systems used to 'cover' these issues are the main reason molly is a pirate. She got royally boned over by flaws in the security system. If I were her, and found a way of getting back at the security system, I'd do it too.
If it were 'fair' that she dropped to -5 security, then it's fair that if she finds a system with lax security, she can do as she pleases.
The general consensus is that you work out the game mechanics by experimenting, and taking the risks. This is what has happened. The risk paid off.
But has anyone officially said it's a bug? No. Has anyone said that playing like this is an exploit? No.*
In which case, it's simply part of the game. Avoid her. Or if you got the *******, attack her.
* These answers were correct at time of writing.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2003.08.06 19:10:00 -
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Molly? I don't know, never met and frankly don't care about. It is not individual pirates I care about it is the vast majority of regular players stuck between "hardcore" pirates who sometimes use unfair/unbelievable advantages and Concord who never use any intelligence. If there were methods that allowed us to track individuals in space then we could use our own intelligence to harrass the pirates and PVP would increase.
I tracked Lord Zap when he was still flying a Rifter, checking dozens of systems with help from motivated players we could not find him. We would have settled for docking at the same station he logged at because all we wanted was a chance at a fair fight.
Yeah yeah I have heard "life isn't fair, capitalism isn't fair, so why the hell should Eve?" That is wrong, this is a game and it is ridiculous to listen to pirates criticize "carebears" for wanting fairness and moan and whine themselves about how hard it is to operate in and on empire supported facilities. OMG remember when Concord got some real pilots and went hunting... the sky fell, the game was doomed and the pirates cried foul.
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Samson
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:25:00 -
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Perhaps the ore thief in the Ibis belonged to an npc corp in that system that set off concord on you, but not on Tank? I could be wrong, but I thought they had changed it to factor in your corp affiliation to determine whether gate, and station guns would open fire or not? ie. It's a combination of the systems sec rating, your characters sec rating, and faction standing with the npc corp that controls the system.
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Main
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:05:00 -
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Molly, if you re-read my post you might read the top part of my post, the part about you bribing concord with your hot body, etc. This was my way of adding some humour to this thread and i ment my thread to be a sarcastic and humourous comment to be laughed at.
Responding with a foul mouthed remark is uncalled for however even if i was being serious and your post should have been deleted by now, unless ccp want to put an '18' rating on these forums.
You are using an exploit, you found out that there was a bug with concord not attacking people with a -9.9 security level and you admitted that you were going to try to gain as much from this exploit as you possibly could in a number of other threads on this forum.
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Just incase there is any confusion, everything above is serious.
moderators, please do your job and remove molly's post due to the foul language which should not be tolerated on a public forum.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:08:00 -
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**** you Main. I am not exploiting anything here.
I wonder why the mods do not lock threads where people are accused of using exploits?!
Because you're an exploiter? And their only dilemma is to try to calculate just how much of the playerbase's cash they lose by banning, basically, everyone?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:13:00 -
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I wasn't replying to you, puppy. I was typing while you posted
It was just to the general anti-molly consortium.
Anti-pirate complaints, and the systems used to 'cover' these issues are the main reason molly is a pirate. She got royally boned over by flaws in the security system. If I were her, and found a way of getting back at the security system, I'd do it too.
If it were 'fair' that she dropped to -5 security, then it's fair that if she finds a system with lax security, she can do as she pleases.
The general consensus is that you work out the game mechanics by experimenting, and taking the risks. This is what has happened. The risk paid off.
But has anyone officially said it's a bug? No. Has anyone said that playing like this is an exploit? No.*
In which case, it's simply part of the game. Avoid her. Or if you got the *******, attack her.
* These answers were correct at time of writing.
All very pretty words. Utter bullsh!, however.
Geez, what an ancient and tired load of crap. "I was screwed over by the system, man... so that justifies my ruining YOUR day!"
It is what it is. Molly was a pirate hunter, molly got no CCP support, molly got screwed, molly said screw it. Waiting 2 months in lowsec space as a pirate hunter is NOT AN OPTION for longevity. She was a cop thrown into prison so she joiuned a gang
But let's not pretend this is some cosmic justice BS going on here. Do you care if the reason i come and pod you is because i had a lousy day at work so i'm justified? Whatever. It doesn't matter. Play the game.
Exploiting is: you know something's broke. You do it anyway to gain an advantage. You don't stop when called on it and you take advantage of a broken system.
Molly isn't shooting "the system," concord, the broken security ratings, or that bully who knocked her over when s/he was 6 in the playground.
They're shooting other players who had NOTHING to do with the *insert violin music here* bad things that happened to her.
Can we graduate Social Pathology 101 now?
sheeesh.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:16:00 -
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I've said in previous threads that Molly is exploiting.
She has admitted it herself.
Where's the reaction by CCP?
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