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Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:12:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cep-to-question-executive-officer-mininela-erinen-under-oath/
"The Executive Officer will appear before the tribunal on the morning of May 25th. According to the CEP, the questions will revolve around 'Admiral Yanala's orders on the day of the Battle for Caldari Prime, her subsequent observance or refusal of those orders, whether the chain of command was properly followed in issuing the orders, the technical status of the cloning facility in which the Admiral was to have cloned, and the issues surrounding her clone's failure to properly activate.'" |
Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:16:00 -
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This seems like a major step in the investigation. Hopefully, though, the tribunal will recognize that a technical failure of Yanala-haani's cloning bay is unlikely to be a matter to lay at Erinen-haani's feet, unless she was aware of lapses that she made no effort to correct.
Still, if this tribunal is public, then we will likely get answers to many of the questions posed in this forum. Hopefully, clarity will lay many of the conspiracy theories to rest. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1486
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:19:00 -
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Until another cease and desist order from Heth is handed to them from a CPD spook.
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission
Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:22:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Until another cease and desist order from Heth is handed to them from a CPD spook.
To be honest, if he tried the same thing in this instance, I think they would (in no polite manner) tell him to bugger off.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
JIHADASQUAD
889
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:25:00 -
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It's a good thing no one has ever lied under oath.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
492
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:35:00 -
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"She will testify under oath, utilizing advanced stress gauges, facial analysis, and military linguistic algorithms to appraise the factuality of her statements."
If she's lying, she'd better be a damned good one.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:37:00 -
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Ms. Vitalia; which is why the CEP is employing the technology it is to verify Erinen-haani's testimony.
Anslo; the CPD has certainly intervened in cases before, but I can't imagine why they would in this case. There's nothing for them to gain, and they would surely be grossly overstepping their bounds if they attempted to intervene in a CEP tribunal of such great importance. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1486
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:40:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Anslo; the CPD has certainly intervened in cases before, but I can't imagine why they would in this case. There's nothing for them to gain, and they would surely be grossly overstepping their bounds if they attempted to intervene in a CEP tribunal of such great importance.
Eh, now that you mention it, the CPD and Heth wouldn't gain much would they? They'd actually loose face if they did it again with THIS case. But the lying thing could be an issue. Hopefully they check her for implants, both bio and mecha, to ensure she isn't modified to be a better liar. Same with the equipment in terms of being tampered. Hopefully it'll be newly constructed and provided by a third party.
I don't know why the Officer would lie, but still...better safe than sorry.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:48:00 -
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So they are pulling out the fancy tools for this questioning? Seems a bit too much, but I guess if you are going to do it, you better do it right, first time.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
JIHADASQUAD
891
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:48:00 -
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And the public is willing to trust the veracity of this monitoring 'equipment' ?
A related concept to also consider with this equipment:
It's not a lie if the person speaking it believes it to be true.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:53:00 -
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While the CEP has a natural and justifiable interest in verifying Erinen-haani's testimony, it would be a terrible mark against Erinen-haani's character if she failed to do her duty: provide honest, thorough, and detailed testimony to the State and its citizens about the events surrounding the Caldari Prime incident.
We may theorize all we like about lies under oath, or CPD involvement, but these theories still rest in the shadow of the conspiracy theories that have been put forth on this forum.
Perhaps we all may do better to simply wait for the tribunal, instead of constructing a web of theories that will bias us against the proceedings. |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:21:00 -
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Question under oath = interrogation.
Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech
Warrant Officer
The Synenose Accord |
Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:25:00 -
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I am confident that Executive Officer Mininela Erinen will not wish to dishonour the memory of Admiral Yanala and the integrity of the Caldari Navy by doing anything other than giving full and frank testimony as to the events in question.
I await the outcome of this questioning by the CEP and urge them to leave no stone unturned in their intent to establish the truth of the matter.
Fly Caldari! |
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:27:00 -
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I do hope adequate security is being provided for Executive Officer Mininela Erinen. I fear for her safety.
Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1487
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:38:00 -
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Edaine Numenor wrote:I do hope adequate security is being provided for Executive Officer Mininela Erinen. I fear for her safety.
That's actually a good point. Is she under protective custody? Who's guarding her? And by guard, I don't mean imprison. I mean guard and make sure she's safe and sound (and untouched) for the trial.
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Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:42:00 -
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Erinen-haani is the highest figure in the Caldari Navy. Security in her office and at her residence is likely considerable. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:56:00 -
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Seems the CEP aren't taking any risks on this one, hopefully people will let people get on with the investigation without constant criticism of their methods and lack of public knowledge this time.
Though personally I believe unless the Executive Officer is already in protective custody, they already gave out more details than they should.
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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:58:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Seems the CEP aren't taking any risks on this one, hopefully people will let people get on with the investigation without constant criticism of their methods and lack of public knowledge this time.
Because bringing the Minmatar incident into this is clearly needed.
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:07:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:And the public is willing to trust the veracity of this monitoring 'equipment' ?
A related concept to also consider with this equipment:
It's not a lie if the person speaking it believes it to be true.
Possibly.
However, the Chief Executive Panel is lead by the megacorps, and I don't see what they would have to gain from inaccurate results in the testimony.
While I only know her from reputation, Mininela Erinen has never struck me as incompetent. You don't become the head of the Caldari Navy if you don't know what's going on.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
968
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:15:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Seems the CEP aren't taking any risks on this one, hopefully people will let people get on with the investigation without constant criticism of their methods and lack of public knowledge this time. Because bringing the Minmatar incident into this is clearly needed.
Oh I'm just making a general point, too many nosey people thinking they're special snowflakes across the board.
I'm just hoping we don't get cries of a coverup every five ******* minutes we don't hear something. Last thing we need is more pointless hysteria and conspiracy theories.
Enjoy your gaming.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 03:45:00 -
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CEP is crossing the line of dignity for questioning Admiral Erinen with such means,... and on this subject.
I hope Executor Heth will intervene to stop such humiliation of the Navy. |
Vikarion
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 04:15:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:CEP is crossing the line of dignity for questioning Admiral Erinen with such means,... and on this subject.
I hope Executor Heth will intervene to stop such humiliation of the Navy.
Getting desperate, are we?
Uncouple your ropes from Heth's ship - his days were numbered the moment men like me and Pieter fired on his forces in defense of the State. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2013.05.24 19:19:00 -
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Some observations:
- The CEP has not commented on the navy report concerning Yanala's conduct.
- They no longer refer to the incident as a 'cloning accident' but as a 'failed cloning'.
- Some of the matters Erinen will be questioned about have nothing to do with cloning accidents.
I think that the CEP supect what some of us are thinking: that it might not be a cloning accident. I also get the feeling that the CEP doesn't entirely trust the navy.
Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2013.05.24 19:43:00 -
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Mr. Biko;
A little variation on word useage is not likely to be important, given statements from a variety of sources.
That said, the investigation is into the whole of the Caldari Prime incident, at all levels of command. This was stated at the beginning. While I've certainly said before that this may be the beginning of a move against Heth, considering his evident involvement in command decisions and desire to cast blame on Yanala, it would behoove us to not engage in too much conspiracy-mongering.
Personally, my expectation is that this investigation will indicate that the exposed position of the Caldari fleet -- and thus the death of thousands of citizens and the loss of untold billions worth of naval materiel -- can be attributed to a lack of strategic acumen by Heth, and so a concerted effort by the CEP and Caldari Navy to circumscribe his authority. |
Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.24 19:57:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:And the public is willing to trust the veracity of this monitoring 'equipment' ?
The public's opinion of the monitoring equipment is almost completely irrelevant; what matters is the CEP's opinion of it.
The highest commander of the Navy does not get hauled in front of the highest authority of the corporate system on a whim. This is the public tip of a sizeable iceberg of investigation, one which will somewhat constrain the story the Admiral is able to tell in the unlikely event that she does have an interest in (and ability to) bend the truth.
I am curious to hear what she has to say. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
471
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Posted - 2013.05.24 20:51:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:[..] the investigation is into the whole of the Caldari Prime incident, at all levels of command. This was stated at the beginning. While I've certainly said before that this may be the beginning of a move against Heth, considering his evident involvement in command decisions and desire to cast blame on Yanala, it would behoove us to not engage in too much conspiracy-mongering. The article begins with "The Chief Executive Panel has revealed that it will call Caldari Navy Executive Officer Mininela Erinen to testify before them on the matter of Admiral Visera Yanala's failed cloning."
I don't recall Heth trying to blame Yanala, his latest words about her: GÇ£I can only presume that, as she concentrated to take her final acts, she forsook her own safety and hesitated so her capsule was caught. What happened next is still uncertain, but it only serves to make her sacrifice even greater.GÇ¥
I would hardly call my observations "conspiracy mongering". Your comments reek far more of that than mine. I merely observed that the CEP doubts the information it was fed thus far, in my eyes a reasonable deduction, considering Erinen "[..] will testify under oath, utilizing advanced stress gauges, facial analysis, and military linguistic algorithms to appraise the factuality of her statements."
You said this could be part of a move against Heth, that is more like conspiracy mongering, in my opinion.
Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.05.25 07:54:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:CEP is crossing the line of dignity for questioning Admiral Erinen with such means,... and on this subject.
I hope Executor Heth will intervene to stop such humiliation of the Navy.
If I recall, Admiral Yanala was commanding front-line combat ships before Executor Heth was even born. What ever happened to "meritocracy?"
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2013.05.25 08:31:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Diana Kim wrote:CEP is crossing the line of dignity for questioning Admiral Erinen with such means,... and on this subject.
I hope Executor Heth will intervene to stop such humiliation of the Navy. Getting desperate, are we?
Desperate about WHAT, pilot?
Vikarion wrote:
Uncouple your ropes from Heth's ship - his days were numbered the moment men like me and Pieter fired on his forces in defense of the State.
Do not try to extend your traitorous intentions over me.
It is my duty to protect the State, its people, its Executor and his forces from ones like you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2013.05.25 08:38:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Diana Kim wrote:CEP is crossing the line of dignity for questioning Admiral Erinen with such means,... and on this subject.
I hope Executor Heth will intervene to stop such humiliation of the Navy. If I recall, Admiral Yanala was commanding front-line combat ships before Executor Heth was even born. What ever happened to "meritocracy?"
Now what does it have to do about meritocracy?
Admiral Yanala was good and merited pilot (lets hide the information about shutting down main ship weapon and consider she regained her honor with her blood).
And Executor Heth has restored practical meritocracy in the State when became the leader of our people.
And, generally, I absolutely don't see reason of your comment, because I was talking not about Executor Heth, not about Admiral Yanala, but about Admiral Erinen and CEP.
I have mentioned Executor Heth, only because it's him, who can actually stop this farce and restore dignity of the Navy, like he did it to the whole State, when booted gallentean scum out of Caldari Prime. |
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