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Kerra Khashour
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:54:00 -
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Good evening, folks. I have recently got invited by a friend in this game and today I activated my account for the monthly subscription and I'm glad to be here, really nice made game and community :)
Here is my question.. I progressed far enough to do tutorial agents and completed mining, business and military. They were good enough, yes and for now, my favourite is the mining. I was browsing trough the market and there were a lot of "gorgeous" ships and they really asked me to buy them and I'm planning to do it, hehe. Using my Venture now that I have recently got from quest, everyone is saying it is a good one for mining but what do you think? I'm I capable as a new player to buy any other ship to do my mining shifts? Thanks for reading it and giving me any suggestions, I appreciate them much! :) |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:29:00 -
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You can buy any ship on the market, as long as you have the ISK for it.
It is a different question though whether a) you can fly it at all and b) you can fly it well.
To see whether you can fly it at all, open the info of the ship and check the "Prerequisit" tab. It will show you the skills that you need to make the ship active and undock with it.
Whether you can fly it well is another question. There is a "Recommended" tab in the ship info that can give you a general idea on what skills you should have to fly it well, but that list is only a guideline and might not include some useful skills or include some that aren't always needed. And beyond skills, you'll probably need knowledge on how to fly that type of ship.
E.g. for mining, the usual upgrade from a Venture is a Retriever.
You can buy and sell it with no skill requirement.
To fly it at all, you need the "Mining Barge" and "Astrogeology" skill. These have their own prerequisites. It takes about a week to train for these skills.
To fly it well - well, that depends where you intend to mine. As long as you stay in high-sec, you should at least get the "Mining Upgrades" skill on top of the required skills. And to get the most out of it, you will want the skills for T2 strip miners and mining crystals. Also, you should have some knowledge on how suicide gankers operate, how to spot them and how to run away, so that you can avoid getting killed.
If you go to low-sec, other skills will be required. (And then, a Procurer might be better for low-sec mining, especially solo.)
Mining ships are special in that way because the minimum requirements include Mining, which already allows you to mount mining laser / strip miners and not be completely useless. Combat ships are different, as e.g. the minimum requirements for a battleship do not include the large guns (or missiles) that you will use with it, so you'll need a good deal of skill in addition of the minimum requirements to fly any combat ship well.
Final warning: this is EVE and you WILL lose your ship at some point. Don't buy any "gorgeous" ship if you cannot afford to lose it. (OTOH, the probability to lose a Retriever in high-sec is not that high, so you probably make the 30 millions back and much more, but there is no guarantee.) |
Drake al'Fury
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:31:00 -
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The answer I always received in the rookie channel was skill into the Retriever, takes 6-7 days, if you are mining in high sec. If you go straight for a Retriever then it is better to stay in a 0.9-1.0 system until you can also skill up core and drone skills. Once you can fit/fly 3-5 Scout drones then you can drop into lower sec systems but stay in 0.5 and above. The drones should be able to deal with the NPC rats in 0.5 and above.
I recently skilled into a Retriever and I now make about 20-30 mil Isk before I get bored of mining for the day. My skills in mining are reasonable but not particularly high so I am far from the most efficient miner so I need to mine for several hours a day to make that Isk but it easily funds my current endeavours and I earn 2-3 x what I earned in my venture per hour.
If you are looking to mine in low sec then I understand the Procurer is better as you can better tank it compared to a Retriever and they are more effective when you fly as part of a mining fleet. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
2214
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:50:00 -
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Kerra Khashour wrote:Good evening, folks. I have recently got invited by a friend in this game and today I activated my account for the monthly subscription and I'm glad to be here, really nice made game and community :)
Here is my question.. I progressed far enough to do tutorial agents and completed mining, business and military. They were good enough, yes and for now, my favourite is the mining. I was browsing trough the market and there were a lot of "gorgeous" ships and they really asked me to buy them and I'm planning to do it, hehe. Using my Venture now that I have recently got from quest, everyone is saying it is a good one for mining but what do you think? I'm I capable as a new player to buy any other ship to do my mining shifts? Thanks for reading it and giving me any suggestions, I appreciate them much! :)
1. You can buy any ship that is on the market / contracts in EVE if you have the money for it.
2. This however doesn't mean you can actually board it (need the skils) or use it (need the skills + appropriate support skills)
3. Mining is nice. Some people hate it, some love it. The basic rule in EVE, if you are having fun while doing "x", continue doing it. If not, find something else to do.
4. Mining will get you an income, but in general it is on the lower ends of the possible incomes (if you look at the long term).
5. Progression of a miner is:
Venture > Mining barge > Exhumers
Mining barge:
Procurer = A mining ships that sacrifices good yield and ore hold for a very high tank.
Retriever = A mining ship that sacrifices good yield and tank for a very big ore hold (Very good solo miner)
Covetor = A mining ship that sacrifices good tank and ore hold for maximum yield (Very good fleet miner).
Exhumers
Skiff = T2 version of the Procurer
Mackinaw = T2 Retriever
Hulk = T2 Covetor
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Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013.
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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:16:00 -
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Dear god step away from the mining barge now....
Look at all those other pretty ships
LOOK AT THEM
Those are ships made for COMBAT
They are made for batting amongst the stars
The scream of blasters rending your armour
The sparks and lightning of your shields failing under a relentless barrage of rockets from th sleek hulls looming out of the dark
The scream of overloading engines unable to launch you into warp because of the fiery disruption of pirates warp scramblers
THIS IS EVE
and you want to mine.....
I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
2216
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Posted - 2013.05.24 05:24:00 -
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Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Dear god step away from the mining barge now....
Look at all those other pretty ships
LOOK AT THEM
Those are ships made for COMBAT
They are made for batting amongst the stars
The scream of blasters rending your armour
The sparks and lightning of your shields failing under a relentless barrage of rockets from th sleek hulls looming out of the dark
The scream of overloading engines unable to launch you into warp because of the fiery disruption of pirates warp scramblers
THIS IS EVE
and you want to mine.....
Stop trolling. EVE is a sandbox, let people play their way in it.
I love how everybody hates miners but totallh forget that without miners.....there are no ships build that you can use / blow up...there will be no T2 modules to put on your ship...
When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises.
Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013.
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.24 07:22:00 -
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Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Dear god step away from the mining barge now....
Look at all those other pretty ships
LOOK AT THEM
Those are ships made for COMBAT
They are made for batting amongst the stars
The scream of blasters rending your armour
The sparks and lightning of your shields failing under a relentless barrage of rockets from th sleek hulls looming out of the dark
The scream of overloading engines unable to launch you into warp because of the fiery disruption of pirates warp scramblers
THIS IS EVE
and you want to mine.....
For the OP.
This is the kind of things you need to get used to hearing, no matter what profession you pick in EVE.
In most cases its just friendly teasing because most realize (as J'Poll already pointed out) that miners are needed in EVE just as much as any other profession.
But you will find people who are more extreme and really do their best to grief miners (The new order as an example, im sure they will come along and post shortly).
Make sure you try to find a group of players that is fine with whatever profession you go with, and can accept the fact that sometimes mining is just what you want to do 
But this also goes in reverse. Many miners will trash down on people who are against mining, or people like The new order because they feel its "unfair" that an "innocent" miner gets harassed and blown up.
Evolve this attitude and you will find your self getting angry and frustrated as soon as you loose a barge or mining ship, and it will severely destroy your wish to play EVE.
In simple words, if you enjoy mining, please go ahead and do it, but keep in mind that its not "safe" (nothing is in EVE), and if the worst happen and you loose a ship, dont start to yell or scream about it.
Learn from your loss, change location, change your fit, keep a closer eye on local, dont mine during a war dec when you know hostiles are around, stay aligned, get to know the locals and dont go AFK.
Good luck and welcome to EVE
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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:26:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Stop trolling. EVE is a sandbox, let people play their way in it.
J'poll, you of all people should know that's not trolling. I was merely waxing lyrical on one of the other options in the sandbox.
In his own words the OP has completed the mining, business and military tutorias.
That means that he han't done al the tutorials (fair enough considering the upcoming scanning changes) but also he hasn't done the Sisters of Eve epic arc or ventured out into the wilder parts of Eve (possibly in a Venture) to see what is there and possibly poke it with a stick.
Yes mining is a much required profession & personally I wouldn't pick on someone for choosing to be a miner because as you so aptly put it I need those T2 modules.
But there is so much more to Eve than mining and someone who has only just completed 'some' of the tutorials choosing to skill into mining barges is in my opinion someone who should at least be made aware of the other things to do in Eve
And yes my personal bias is towards the darker more violent options involving internet spaceship violence and 'MIGHTY JUSTIC BATTALS 'but then I'm a low-sec Pirate so what do you expect?
I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
Kerra Khashour
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:02:00 -
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Thanks a lot for the answers, I finished all of the tutorials and a friend of mine helped me to do some mission from agents. Basically I want to play Miner and to Deliver things from contract with Freighters.. But I guess it will around 30 days to train for bigger freighter. T2 of Sigil for example. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
1856
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:28:00 -
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Kerra Khashour wrote:Thanks a lot for the answers, I finished all of the tutorials and a friend of mine helped me to do some mission from agents. Basically I want to play Miner and to Deliver things from contract with Freighters.. But I guess it will around 30 days to train for bigger freighter. T2 of Sigil for example.
Note that the skills for industrials are changing in Odyssey (June 4). It will become a lot easier to train them all, eg. level 3 for a freighter. T2 variants will still require level 5 though. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:02:00 -
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Kerra Khashour wrote:Thanks a lot for the answers, I finished all of the tutorials and a friend of mine helped me to do some mission from agents. Basically I want to play Miner and to Deliver things from contract with Freighters.. But I guess it will around 30 days to train for bigger freighter. T2 of Sigil for example.
As J'Poll said, you are free to play however you want, but honestly... you're aiming for some of the least engaging playstyles in the game, right now, and it's a fairly big investment to get a freighter.
I would at least spend a little more time trying out some other play styles before settling in.
It's kind of like walking into an all-you-can-eat, multi-cultural buffet and then gorging yourself on carrot sticks.  |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:21:00 -
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You could buy a few more Ventures and plan your skills around being the best venture pilot ever; sneak into low and null and mine some of each ore in the game, or maybe run the sisters arc in a venture. It is a very capable ship that is well designed to handle that sort of risk. You will probably loose a few in the process, but that potential is what makes it so exciting. And they are not terribly expensive anyway.
Best of luck, and welcome to Eve
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