I'm surprised that we as a community just accept that a game won't let you train more than one character per account at the same time while encouraging you to have multiple accounts and now just outright charging you for it.

We should be able to train all 4 characters on the same account at full speed per default.

The prices on low level miner and industrial characters would probably drop yes but not the prices of the high level chars and the ISK saved is just the ISK we otherwise would have spent training them through plex costs.

And if having a bunch of characters on separate accounts and playing them with ISboxers is profitable then you would already be doing it. Reducing the amount of accounts required for the initial training doesn't change that since you would still need separate accounts for each character to multibox them.

Let's not make excuses for CCP charging us "because they can" It's not about balance. It's about money.

Excuse the lack of diplomacy here, but this is pure, unadulterated bullshit. You're proposing an effective tripling of the rate SP enters the game. How would that not massively devalue SP as a commodity in both the short and long term?

Is there no view to have multi boxing with both toons through one launch box? I see no point otherwise why would you not just plex a second account?

I also find it completely useless, I think having a 2nd account will always be more beneficial then have to switch between characters.

We should be able to train all 4 characters on the same account at full speed per default.

I've heard people saying that CCP is going to allow you to use a plex to get 30 days of training 2 toons on one account.
I can't find any confirmation of this, is it true?
Is this why Plex are going up again?

It is there, not sure what the point is aside from having toons on 1 acct verse 2, since you are basically paying for 2 accounts of service with 1 account without being able to run both at same time.

[quote=Angelique Duchemin]BUT NOT FOR FREE, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

We're already paying as it is.

Yeah. To train one character. Now you can opt to pay to train another on the same account rather than transferring it for 2 plex, plexing that account, and transferring back for another 2 plex.

Why you want to triple the rate of influx of SP into the game baffles me. Who exactly would that help?

It would let us have alts for different purposes without having to pay even more money for the game than we already are. Its something you can do in most MMOs after all

Influx of SP... You make it sound like you actually believe that this is about game balance and not money.

Yes, and who would that actually help?

I don't care about the money side of it. I really don't. CCP needs income but as far as I'm concerned it's not for me to really say how they do so. Except for pure pay to win; that's obviously off the table if they want my subscription(s).

I do care about the balance side of it. And it would be nice if you'd at least acknowledge that such a side exists rather than just repeating some mantra about how CCP is extorting players by making them pay for its product.

It isn't rumor if there is a dev blog and dev posts on it :)

To not be able to progress more than one character at the same time on the same account is unreasonable and the only reason it exists is so CCP can charge us for more accounts and to inflate their subscription numbers.the exact same way things work on every other MMO.

FYP

Or name a Subscription-based MMO that allows you to advance on multiple characters on one account at the same time.

I'll start with WoW.

I can do all the raids, do the daily heroics and cap the valor points on my PVE Paladin.

I can then go to my hunter, do some arena, cap my conquest points,

I can then go to my druid and mine/herb in order to sell them or use them (and I didn't have to buy the druid on any character bazaar nor did I need a separate account to train it in gathering)

If I choose to I can then send the mined materials and herbs to my death knight to make potions/flasks or send the ores to my Warrior to make weapons and armor and the gems to my Hunter who can then cut the gems for me.

That's PVE/PVP/mining/crafting all at full progression and working at their full potential on one account and one subscription.

The eve equivalent would be having one profession per account instead of one per character and one raid/arena cooldown for an entire account.

No, the Eve equivalent is having one character be your Paladin, Hunter, Druid, Warrior, etc. all at once. Most games don't give you that sort of flexibility on a single character. The trade-off is that you have to choose one at a time to advance in, which is more or less how WoW et al do it: you can only be logged into one character at a time, grinding XP or gear or whatever "points" you need to be going for.

... and having that character advance all the time, regardless of how much time is spent grinding. Which basically comes down to no comparison at all. It's almost like EVE is actually different in this regard and comparisons require some nuance and not just broad blanket statements about how CCP is robbing its players?

No, the Eve equivalent is having one character be your Paladin, Hunter, Druid, Warrior, etc. all at once. Most games don't give you that sort of flexibility on a single character. The trade-off is that you have to choose one at a time to advance in, which is more or less how WoW et al do it: you can only be logged into one character at a time, grinding XP or gear or whatever "points" you need to be going for.