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Torva Messorrem
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.24 08:06:00 -
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I'm thinking of trying out solo wormhole lving in a C2 class wormhole so I've started a bit of a checklist.
Drakes - T2 tank w/ heavy missile fit so I shouldn't have a problem with any C2 sites.
Ventures - a few ventures incase I lose them. I have mining IV and will soon have gas cloud harvesting 2 for gas mining as well
Salvaging thrashers - I have salvaging IV
Probing frigates - I have decent scanning skills but can't yet fly covert ops so these would be basic frigs. I do fairly routinely probe for the corp I'm in now when we do wormhole day trips so I don't think this is too big of an issue.
I have an alt hauler with just a basic Bestower 13 000 m3 capacity that I hope would be enough for hauling out loot and bringing in supplies as needed.
Then there is the tower and it's my biggest concern. I've read lots that small towers are a waste of time. Mediums will take 9.6 million isk in fuel per day. Will a C2 wormhole be enough to more than offet the cost? Or is it better to put up a small tower and just hope I'm left alone for as long as possible?
Thanks for the help and any other advice you'd be able to give.
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Jita GnaGna
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.05.24 09:37:00 -
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Torva Messorrem wrote: I'm thinking of trying out solo wormhole lving in a C2 class wormhole so I've started a bit of a checklist.
Drakes - T2 tank w/ heavy missile fit so I shouldn't have a problem with any C2 sites.
check, but you should upgrade after some time inside - drakes are pretty slow at killing and the longer you take killing slepers the more time is detecting and killing you.
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Ventures - a few ventures incase I lose them. I have mining IV and will soon have gas cloud harvesting 2 for gas mining as well
Ventures - a few ventures incase I lose them. I have mining IV and will soon have gas cloud harvesting 2 for gas mining as well
Salvaging thrashers - I have salvaging IV
Gasvalue in C2 is pretty low - so focus on something else first
Why no noctis?
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Probing frigates - I have decent scanning skills but can't yet fly covert ops so these would be basic frigs. I do fairly routinely probe for the corp I'm in now when we do wormhole day trips so I don't think this is too big of an issue.
Low scanning skills and no cov ops will make ur day much harder, but yes its possible too do with
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I have an alt hauler with just a basic Bestower 13 000 m3 capacity that I hope would be enough for hauling out loot and bringing in supplies as needed.
this will be a bigger problem then ur tower, by the capacyty of the ship i assume its a T1 Hauler (thinking of badger) and you are going to transport sleeper loot in it. This will def. end in tear. You just need a trasher or maybe two to gank it and the drop of 1 melted Nanoribbon is worth more. My Advice is to get a T2 Hauler or something bigger as soon as possible. Till then use can in can transportation.
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Then there is the tower and it's my biggest concern. I've read lots that small towers are a waste of time. Mediums will take 9.6 million isk in fuel per day. Will a C2 wormhole be enough to more than offet the cost? Or is it better to put up a small tower and just hope I'm left alone for as long as possible?
Thanks for the help and any other advice you'd be able to give.
As stated many time Small tower are eaten like popcorn. Money should never be a problem in W-Sapce :D |
Dgram Loop
Dutch Squad
Novus Dominatum
12
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Posted - 2013.05.24 09:55:00 -
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Isk shouldnt be a problem so long as you are capable of farming your wspace/kspace statics. Local sites should be concidered a bonus to your income and farmed regularily unless you want visitors that farm them for you (which could be good for ganks :)
Like the above poster sais, T1 hauler is no good for loot. As a rule of thumb i try not to haul more than 100m of value in such a ship, double or triple that for a covops hauler as their only benefit is a cloak and it can be useless in high traffic systems such as jita due to alot of ships on gate, ships bumping you on undock and the docking lag. A tanked ship, and covops if going thru lowsec or other wspace systems before highsec, is much less likely to be suicideganked.
Covops has a ton of benefits that are much clearer once you can fly one, bookmarking signatures and wrecks from someone elses sites without being spotted, and warping cloaked to mention some. |
Britta Nolen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:37:00 -
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sleeper loot takes very little space. just setup a courier contract and be done with it. 1m isk per jump to jita seems to get it done for me. |
Llewsor
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:50:00 -
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It's not been asked yet and I imagine it may have accidentally slipped the mind of some of the more PvP-oriented types, but can your alt scan?
At some point you will find yourself out of your wormhole system without knowledge of the way back in.
You may know the expected closing time of the hole but someone may close it before then. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence
Disavowed.
118
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Posted - 2013.05.24 12:53:00 -
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Britta Nolen wrote:sleeper loot takes very little space. just setup a courier contract and be done with it. 1m isk per jump to jita seems to get it done for me.
Or, fly it out in a covops. Would have saved TL that embarrassing 15bil Orca lossmail... |
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
8
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:45:00 -
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Torva Messorrem wrote: I'm thinking of trying out solo wormhole lving in a C2 class wormhole so I've started a bit of a checklist.
1 tip of superb advice, DON'T go SOLO in a WH. You'll be podded and your assest will become to them who find this wh with a offline pos and floating pos mods.
Why don't you go day-tripping ffs! |
Torva Messorrem
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:17:00 -
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Euthanasia Anneto wrote:Torva Messorrem wrote: I'm thinking of trying out solo wormhole lving in a C2 class wormhole so I've started a bit of a checklist.
1 tip of superb advice, DON'T go SOLO in a WH. You'll be podded and your assest will become to them who find this wh with a offline pos and floating pos mods. Why don't you go day-tripping ffs!
I won't be completely alone as I'll have an alt hauler and scanner with me. Also if I'm checking dscan constantly I shouldn't be killed. As in any null system I've been to safes and my pos are safe zones to warp to should somebody enter. Day tripping is tedious and takes too long. Trying to find appropriate class wormholes each time you log on is brutal. Being in one already with all your stuff to mine and run sites right there it become much easier and much more profitable. Solo wormholimg isn't something new just something new to me.
Appreciate the input though.
As to the others thanks for the advice so far. I will have scanning skills on my alt by the time I do this and I grill have to train up to client haulers as well. I can bring a Noctuna just thought it might be less risk in a destroyer. I hadn't thought of the noctis meaning less time on grid. |
Priscilla Orti
That ship needs a cap recharger
Situation: Normal
6
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:04:00 -
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Torva Messorrem wrote:Euthanasia Anneto wrote:Torva Messorrem wrote: I'm thinking of trying out solo wormhole lving in a C2 class wormhole so I've started a bit of a checklist.
1 tip of superb advice, DON'T go SOLO in a WH. You'll be podded and your assest will become to them who find this wh with a offline pos and floating pos mods. Why don't you go day-tripping ffs! I won't be completely alone as I'll have an alt hauler and scanner with me. Also if I'm checking dscan constantly I shouldn't be killed. As in any null system I've been to safes and my pos are safe zones to warp to should somebody enter. Day tripping is tedious and takes too long. Trying to find appropriate class wormholes each time you log on is brutal. Being in one already with all your stuff to mine and run sites right there it become much easier and much more profitable. Solo wormholimg isn't something new just something new to me. Appreciate the input though. As to the others thanks for the advice so far. I will have scanning skills on my alt by the time I do this and I grill have to train up to client haulers as well. I can bring a Noctuna just thought it might be less risk in a destroyer. I hadn't thought of the noctis meaning less time on grid.
Checking dscan constantly doesn't prevent you from dying by any means. You are going to get caught, it's just a matter of time. I'll echo the sentiment that you don't want to do something like this alone, especially with the SP you seem to be running around with. It's very likely to not end well for you. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
110
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Posted - 2013.05.24 18:37:00 -
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Britta Nolen wrote:sleeper loot takes very little space. just setup a courier contract and be done with it. 1m isk per jump to jita seems to get it done for me.
Or you could use redfrog and do it for less than that... |
Darth Bri
T-ARA Industrial Extraction Inc.
84
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Posted - 2013.05.24 18:41:00 -
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Instead of joining a corp, we should just make a new one :) |
notha atfast
Jabba Industries INC.
Punkz 'n Monkeys
31
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Posted - 2013.05.24 18:46:00 -
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The fun about WH's is there is no local. So when your offline. Guys hunting around in cloaked ships will wait for their chance to get some kills. So mashing d-scan won't work if they are 10KM away when they finally show up on Dscan. And I say this from a person who has taken the POD express a few times.
"I won't be completely alone as I'll have an alt hauler and scanner with me. Also if I'm checking dscan constantly I shouldn't be killed. " --glad your not overconfident. |
Roel Yento
Black Rain Cartel
10
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Posted - 2013.05.24 21:24:00 -
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You want to be farming your static holes sites, that means rolling static wh's some days and can be tedious solo. Likely to get you ganked too. Dscan only works if the cloaky ship came through a wh within 14.7au from the site you are running. If in an anom, he will dscand you down, get 10km off of you and give a warp in for their gank squad.
Honestly, why not join a wh corp? Do you normally play or talk with anyone in game already, even asking them to join you will make things much easier. C2 sites are meh but i enjoy it over mssions personally. Alt hauler and scanner don't count as not being solo btw. Even if you join a corp with only two other people in it, will be way better than solo. Just my .02 cents. |
Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE
55
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:36:00 -
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Torva Messorrem wrote: I'm thinking of trying out solo wormhole lving in a C2 class wormhole so I've started a bit of a checklist.
Drakes - T2 tank w/ heavy missile fit so I shouldn't have a problem with any C2 sites.
Ventures - a few ventures incase I lose them. I have mining IV and will soon have gas cloud harvesting 2 for gas mining as well
Salvaging thrashers - I have salvaging IV
Probing frigates - I have decent scanning skills but can't yet fly covert ops so these would be basic frigs. I do fairly routinely probe for the corp I'm in now when we do wormhole day trips so I don't think this is too big of an issue.
I have an alt hauler with just a basic Bestower 13 000 m3 capacity that I hope would be enough for hauling out loot and bringing in supplies as needed.
Then there is the tower and it's my biggest concern. I've read lots that small towers are a waste of time. Mediums will take 9.6 million isk in fuel per day. Will a C2 wormhole be enough to more than offet the cost? Or is it better to put up a small tower and just hope I'm left alone for as long as possible?
Thanks for the help and any other advice you'd be able to give.
My tip for living in a wormhole is to find out what your static is. If you have a C2 with a static C1 try to farm your C1 sites because sadly they will be worth more than your C2 sites, and you will have a new static to do sites in every day. Your C2 sites may take time to respawn after you do them. |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
169
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Posted - 2013.05.26 11:53:00 -
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what you have to be concerned about is someone ganking your salvage ship with a cloaky. you will have no idea if they're in there orbiting you waiting for the moment to strike when you suck up that last wreck from the battlefield. I'm not sure about fitting a destroyer for this, noctis you would want to fit a warp core stab and then ionic field projector rigs to counter the range drawback. you could try something like that i guess.
if you're multiboxing you might want to train your alt into frigates and have them sit next to the thrasher while salvaging. that'll put off stealthbomber pilots at least.
freelance space bum |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Talocan United
1235
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Posted - 2013.05.26 12:10:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:if you're multiboxing you might want to train your alt into frigates and have them sit next to the thrasher while salvaging. that'll put off stealthbomber pilots at least.
Considering that Noctis gankers commonly lead off with a bomb before closing with torps, that might actually give them a 2-for-1.
http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
169
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Posted - 2013.05.26 12:53:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:if you're multiboxing you might want to train your alt into frigates and have them sit next to the thrasher while salvaging. that'll put off stealthbomber pilots at least. Considering that Noctis gankers commonly lead off with a bomb before closing with torps, that might actually give them a 2-for-1.
bombs aren't really practical for roaming pirates as it means losing the probe launcher.
I'm just giving advice from my perspective though, more organised wh dwellers with alts might be a greater threat but if i think an sleeper site runner has alts and a combat ship handy i probably wouldn't.
freelance space bum |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
89
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:57:00 -
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Roaming pilots ain't the issue, it's the guy who just k-holed into your system, and he really does not need a probe launcher on his bomber.
In a lowclass wormhole, I would really not take a noctis, catalysts are (imo) totally sufficient to salvage the wrecks in such a small site. Could also jettison all your loot before that killing blow lands and hope you'll scare the agressor away without losing your loot to a grudgy lootfairy. If something decloaks next to you, you'll most likely die anyways :>
"Also if I'm checking dscan constantly I shouldn't be killed" - famous last words |
Sadario
4
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:21:00 -
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I say you should do it. Some of the points mentioned above may or may not be true. You should test this hypothesis by yourself! I guarantee you it will be a fun learning-experience! Don't let these forum-warriors get you down.
:D |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
14
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:58:00 -
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C2s are the most frequented ones. Youll need large tower to hold there. By doing PI you can easily pay for fuel and maybe plex. (depends on number of your accounts.) |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence
Disavowed.
121
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:03:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:if you're multiboxing you might want to train your alt into frigates and have them sit next to the thrasher while salvaging. that'll put off stealthbomber pilots at least. Considering that Noctis gankers commonly lead off with a bomb before closing with torps, that might actually give them a 2-for-1.
Either that, or its a cloaky T3 bump-jumping your Noctis, and those frigs are going to do jack squat in that case anyway! |
Miles Parabellum
Zealots of Bob
31
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:56:00 -
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Solo farming wormholes is mindnumbingly boring. You should talk some friends into joining you or you'll go nuts and shoot yourself before anyone else gets the chance.
Other than that, welcome to WH space, the most interesting space in Eve by far. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1247
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:04:00 -
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Miles Parabellum wrote:Solo Eve Online is mindnumbingly boring.
Fixed that for ya.
http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
107
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:59:00 -
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I really can't recommend doing any WH on your own to start out. The startup costs are too high, and the odds of making a newbie mistake are too high. I recommend either day tripping from an isolated high sec system or joining a corp. I know you think you'll make more on your own, but it's simply not true. The majority of what you make on your own goes to maintaining your POS and the like. As part of a corp you generally get to keep 90% or more of your PI. Sure you'll have to share the loot from running sites, but you'll be running more site, and spending less time scanning and rolling holes. Not to mention if your POS dies you are only out the ships you were storing there...
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Aradiaa
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Polarized.
12
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:17:00 -
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Torva Messorrem wrote:[quote=Euthanasia Anneto][quote=Torva Messorrem] As in any null system I've been to safes and my pos are safe zones to warp to should somebody enter. Day tripping is tedious and takes too long.
Just wanted to point out that "safes" in w-space really don't work the same as safes in null. Anyone scouting around a wormhole is going to have combat probes, and anyone with any experience at all will immediately recognize you're not in a POS. Then it's just a matter of dropping combat probes off dscan from you, scanning you in one pass, and you're done. You still can and should have safe spots in tactical spots throughout your system, but don't plan on ever going afk unless you're cloaked or in a POS.
Also, if you're determined to go it solo, it's worth the training time to make an emergency scanner alt on your main account - one with the absolute minimum skills to fly a scanning frigate and scan a way out if necessary. That way if you manage to get all your other characters locked out of your home system, you always have that one as backup to get back in. |
Enmesharra
Giggle Inc
5
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:28:00 -
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I posted this on reddit, but i thought it might help give you an overview of what it was like to set up in a WH by yourself.
Story time
So bright and early Sunday morning I began my trek to low/null looking for an empty wh to call home. I was looking for a c1 or a c2 with a null static. 20 jumps later into Goon territory I found her. A c2 with a static to null and completely devoid of life! With my palms sweaty and heavy mouth breathing a plan began forming in my head. I jump on an alt account and make the trek to jita looking to buy my first PoS.
Now I have been reading up on wh and life inside of one and from all that I gathered the name of the game is to make your PoS as much a pain in the ass as possible. Bearing this in mind I purchase a caldari large tower! Now how to haul it out to my entry hole? This char doesn't have freight skills or blockade runner capability but a cloaky iteron 4? Why not. So tower, cloak ,and some fuel blocks in hand I begin to make my trek out to null.
All seems to be going well until I hit a bubbled entry gate....Fuuuu. As any carebear knows panic and adrenaline flood you instantly. You are immediately aware of all the empty wrecks and the sheer volume of large mobile warp bubbles encircling this gate meanwhile a part of your mind is counting down the seconds till you decloack. First things first immediately align to next gate, I know I know, and hit cloak.
Woooo I am patting myself on the shoulder thinking all I have to do is slow boat out of this... What you mat not realize is how ******* slow this is. Your typical T1 cloack will reduce speed by 70-90%. You need to travel at least 40km at 32m/s and its like nails on a chalkboard while being attacked by a werewolf. After about 10 minutes of this I realize that there is no one at the gate and only 2 people in local so I figure what the hell maybe they are ratting? I decloak and hit my MWD to start burning out. As I later found out I was not the only one who knew how to cloak. Within 20 seconds I was locked and popped.... Double ****.
Back to jita I go to resupply and repeat the process this time without uncloaking. All goes well this time, if it does an almost unbearable amount of time. Make it into my new WH and set about anchoring my new home. Fun Fact: NPC corps cant anchor a PoS. Log into 3rd account and create a corp invite all my chars and try to accept, only to realize you need to be in a station to accept. I immediately begin to expound upon the games sexual preferences and begin to self destruct my anchoring pilot.
1 self destruct, 5hrs, and a new null exit 60 jumps from jita I onlined my PoS with shield hardeners and enough fuel for 5 days. Tonight I bring in the ecm and more fuel.
TLDR: WH space is tough, chokepoints are real, If you think you have researched enough go back and read more.
Edit: Some details and return key. |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
15
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:35:00 -
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I had little similar story. I bought nice cozy C4-C4 and started hauling stuff in. but on second hole my hauler got intercepted and killed. I said wota hell i expected looses and tried to negotiate with guys who poped me. They turned out to be decent folk and sold me my pos back with provided escort to anchoring place. :D And yes they really provided safe passage and my pos was safely placed. |
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