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MindBender
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:46:00 -
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We were told Chaos was supposed to be updated from TQ last week but it still has not been updated. Is very hard to test when my Chaos char is over a month old. When will this be updated?
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.08.04 23:10:00 -
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Is the Chaos server in Iceland and the Tranquility server in London? If that's the case, perhaps Fed Ex is to blame.
-E
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Athan
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:32:00 -
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Is the Chaos server in Iceland and the Tranquility server in London?
Yes, however they usually just copy the DB over whatever link they have to Iceland. This would be why they don't like doing it all that often.
However 5 weeks between updates is a bit of a joke. Many people don't have the skills or items on chaos that they need to reproduce bugs they've hit on tranquility.
-Ath, who really cba to pop on chaos every few hours to keep skills going in parallel to TQ.
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Jael
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:04:00 -
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Never underestimate the bandwidth of a box of DVDs with a FedEx waybill.
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Quince al'Pillan
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:54:00 -
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Why fed ex a box of DVDs when they can just download the database directly? :P
-Q
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Lithorus
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:56:00 -
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Let's make another thread about this. Just because we can...
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Jael
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:59:00 -
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It's about bandwidth. How much data in how much time? Is it faster to drag that huge database over your 100Mb Ethernet LAN or T3, or is it faster to take a duplicate of your backups to the target location physically? Which is more convenient? The Internet isn't the answer to everything. Yet. |
Ganja
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Posted - 2003.08.06 00:38:00 -
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They can easily do this within a few hours.. just haven't seem to have gotten to it. They (being some Devs) had expected it to have happened earlier last week.. so much for that?
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MindBender
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Posted - 2003.08.06 03:03:00 -
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Is it just my imagination or does it seem the devs are absent form the boards lately? Sure would be nice to hear from them on some of these issues. Even a F you we're working on it would be better than the total silence from them lately.
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Greeble
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Posted - 2003.08.06 08:07:00 -
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For reference, a database synch to update Chaos' database takes two days.
Unfortunately, I don't know when the next one will be - we've brought it up, though. Somewhat in advance of this latest plethora of threads asking for it... ;)
- Greeble
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.08.06 10:30:00 -
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For reference, a database synch to update Chaos' database takes two days.
Lemme get this straight ... to make a copy of the database files (BACKUP sp) zip them, copy them to Chaos db server and replace the one currently on Chaos (RESTORE sp) does take two days ?
Am I missing something here ?
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.08.06 10:34:00 -
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The time frame sounds about right if the DB is the size i suspect it is...
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.08.06 10:42:00 -
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The time frame sounds about right if the DB is the size i suspect it is...
Let's see ... I have a 30GB database (the bak file created by MSSQLSrv) here that I can backup/restore in about 10 to 15 mins !
2 DAYS ????
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.08.06 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 06/08/2003 10:51:19
Edited by: Jarjar on 06/08/2003 10:50:29
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The time frame sounds about right if the DB is the size i suspect it is...
Let's see ... I have a 30GB database (the bak file created by MSSQLSrv) here that I can backup/restore in about 10 to 15 mins !
2 DAYS ????
30GB -> slow link -> 2 days.
Average ~182kB/sec. Chaos isn't a Quad T3... 
Now, I have no idea how large the TQ database is, of course. I just followed your example.
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.08.06 20:57:00 -
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Whoopidy ...
forgot that Chaos is on a small pipe only ...
Forgive me for NOT thinking.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:21:00 -
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I don't even have the password that chaos wants, it's so outdated.
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Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.08.07 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ehxo on 07/08/2003 22:21:54
Damn you guys make me laugh...
Edit: As per the guys on #eve-chaos the TQ database is 2.3 TB (TerraBytes).
I really do believe it takes 2 days to restore a backup that big, especially if they compress it.
Have you ever tried to zip a 2 gigs file (which would be a small comparaison) using the Maximum compression setting? It will take a LONG time to do... well multiply that by many hundreds of not thousands.
Transfering the database through the internet, even on a T3 line, would take forever. They said in the last dev chat that they were lacking in backup hardware and that's why it's not done as often as it could otherwise. Backup equipment is quite expensive and I'm sure it takes a lot of it to backup the entire servers, plus the shipping of the hardware for restoration must not be cheap either...
We're talking about cross-country shipping here, not city to city shipping...
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.08.12 19:04:00 -
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Let's assume they backup TQ. Seems like a good idea. Presumably this results in a rack of tapes with the backup on.
Now have the same backup auto-loader in Iceland. FedEx the tapes there. Restore them onto Chaos.
Job's done.
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Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.08.13 05:50:00 -
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Let's assume they backup TQ. Seems like a good idea. Presumably this results in a rack of tapes with the backup on.
Now have the same backup auto-loader in Iceland. FedEx the tapes there. Restore them onto Chaos.
Job's done.
I think that's the problem, they mentioned they were lacking in backup hardware in the dev chat.
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Rixeh
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Posted - 2003.08.13 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ehxo on 07/08/2003
Edit: As per the guys on #eve-chaos the TQ database is 2.3 TB (TerraBytes).
Holy ****.
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Dan Forever
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Posted - 2003.08.13 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ehxo on 07/08/2003
Edit: As per the guys on #eve-chaos the TQ database is 2.3 TB (TerraBytes).
Holy ****.
Thats a lot of CDs 
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.08.13 10:42:00 -
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ya i would really like a copy some time soon... as the current one is so behind its not funny... more then 1 mill skill points behind 
and to make it even worse, i was in a new corp and on the test server im still on the old one LOL
i guess the test server needs to make cargo's really cheap we need to take a lot of them and put them in space to creat "fake" lag so to speak LOL and test some of this stuff when warping etc... to get a feel how a real blockade would be...
as right now its nothing because nobody is online etc and you just warp in without any lag at all and can turn on instantly after warp is done your modules.... but in live server that will never be the case...
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.08.13 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 13/08/2003 10:47:15
why the hell would you use cd's? thats slow!!
i would use some uber 3lite HD's with some mad raid etc... and full of racks to move this stuff over
that shouldnĘt take too long 
that all depends on how much they willing to put into the test server...
but like ppl say what you put in you get out... or that garbage in garbage out...
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2003.08.13 16:05:00 -
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Just move chaos to London. Problem solved. Having a server in the same location is irrelevant nowadays. And besides.. the peeps in London know how to admin the production environment, so playing admin for the test environment should be even easier.
Plus, they get to train on restoring backups more :)
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.08.13 22:46:00 -
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either way they need to make sure they can do it, more often... at least every week or 2 weeks at max...
because there is no way ppl can test stuff if they do not have there items and stuff to test it on the server
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thangos
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Posted - 2003.08.14 12:52:00 -
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EMC's SRDF with a big dark fibre pipe
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