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Riot Girl Riot Club 947	Posted - 2013.05.26 08:04:00 - [31] - Quote Nevermind, I just checked your posting history lol. Oh god.
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 382	Posted - 2013.05.26 08:09:00 - [32] - Quote I honestly cannot tell you how many times people have brought ECM thinking they have a win against me, and then ask how I did it when there ship blew up. Knowing the weaknesses of your own ship and how to deal with them is just as important as knowing the strengths, and the possibility of being jammed is always an option. My favorite kills are the ones where people die to me while I'm jammed. :) Edit: Yep, got me too! MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.-á -Garresh-
David Caldera Moira. Villore Accords 18	Posted - 2013.05.26 08:34:00 - [33] - Quote Gerrick Palivorn wrote: I honestly cannot tell you how many times people have brought ECM thinking they have a win against me, and then ask how I did it when there ship blew up. Knowing the weaknesses of your own ship and how to deal with them is just as important as knowing the strengths, and the possibility of being jammed is always an option. My favorite kills are the ones where people die to me while I'm jammed. :) Edit: Yep, got me too! 10/10 Mind giving me some practical advice on that? I'm currently starting to get into Small/Medium hull solo PvP again and I haven't quite figured out how to deal with ECM drones yet.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 3232	Posted - 2013.05.26 09:06:00 - [34] - Quote Roggle wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: This just in - a non-damaging choice in tactics is effective. More at 11. Also, if being down one mod is the difference between winning and losing, you're doing it so wrong. Of course one mod means something, in a 1vs1 being down a mod vs a simliar ship class almost guarantees defeat. Dude, intelligent manual piloting more than makes up for 1 less slot. The differences between ships is much more massive, and you can kill a t2 frigate in a rifter. FFS most of the people playing this game just load the shortest range ammo and fly straight at you. Simply using your damn brain gives you a leg up. Also, ECM drones are not reliable. They are effective, but don't guarantee **. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance**
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7993	Posted - 2013.05.26 09:58:00 - [35] - Quote Roggle wrote: 1vs1, using a smart bomb guarantees guarantees defeat. Its just like useing ECCM. Your down a mod slot ( this time a weapon slot) you will lose the fight. oh dear you might have to make fitting decisions more complicated than using a battleclinic fit Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7993	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:02:00 - [36] - Quote Why do I have to counter people who warp off during a fight by losing a valuable midslot to fit a scram? That's so unfair Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 368	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:28:00 - [37] - Quote So let me get this correct,, OP is complaining because he cannot create an un-counterable ship......? One word for you OP, intel, you should use it.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3418	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:33:00 - [38] - Quote Roggle wrote: Riot Girl wrote: This thread is a good example of how buying a character doesn't automatically make you good at EvE. Never said i was good, or even said anything about my abilities. Not sure what your talking about? They're telling you that, just because you haven't figured out how to deal with ECM drones doesn't mean that nobody else has. They've even told you some of the ways you can deal with ECM drones. But you've decided you know more about EVE than people who have been around far longer than you, so you don't seem to want to pay attention. Anyway, EVE is a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors-Hotdrop-Counterdrop-NodeCrash. Why should we have a problem with that? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Sentamon 957	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:40:00 - [39] - Quote errr 1v1? it's a complex mass scale combat game. PONG----> that way ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 706	Posted - 2013.05.26 11:06:00 - [40] - Quote Roggle wrote: baltec1 wrote: So use a lowslot for your ECCM. same pricaple, down a slot. You lose to anyone that does not use ECM/ECCM cause they are up one mod its too rocky/paper/scissors MEMEME I ALWAYS WANT TO WIN... "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 706	Posted - 2013.05.26 11:07:00 - [41] - Quote Roggle wrote: Riot Girl wrote: Did you buy your character? Yup Ah ok...now everything is clear. L2Play "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Raiz Nhell Kangaroo Ate my baby Orchestrated Alliance 284	Posted - 2013.05.26 11:10:00 - [42] - Quote 1v1... Why do 1v1... 1st rule of gun fighting, bring a gun... 2nd rule of gun fighting, invite your mates, make sure they bring guns... Also if you want to 1v1, expect things to not go your way... Look, study, think about how you were defeated... EFT the hell out of it... Next time you'll be better prepared and you can counter it... If you think your gimping your fit by fitting ECCM... He is giving up DPS by carrying ECM drones... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Maekchu Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 0	Posted - 2013.05.26 11:52:00 - [43] - Quote Pretty good example of failing at 1v1 and then proceeding to complain about the game, instead of just learning and adapting. An answer has been given for you question, yet you proceed to keep posting the same stupid answer to what people have told you. You target the ECM drones and shoot them down. Period.
Leper ofBacon HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN 18	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:05:00 - [44] - Quote Roggle wrote: Lexmana wrote: perfect example of rock-paper-scissor mechanics imo. In your opinion is that a good thing? Leaving it to chance, not skill? Rock paper scissors defines 1v1 in eve (with some exceptions). If you render his ecm less effective by fitting a single eccm module and he has lost dps on his drones I would say you're probably winning the exchange.
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1486	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:07:00 - [45] - Quote Roggle wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: This just in - a non-damaging choice in tactics is effective. More at 11. saying that 5 damage drones is more effective or anywhere near as effective as 20 seconds of gun/missle damage is foolish. Strickly 1vs1 of course I'd like to see how much damage your guns/missiles could do to my 2km/s shield tanked drone kiting Ishkur from 50km away. I'll use five drones, you use missiles, we'll time it at 20 seconds. No tackle of course, pure damage test. Before you answer, though, it recently faced an Ascension alliance fleet and assisted a Caracal in the destruction of a 118mil 'nado. It was 2v15, and we only lost the 43mil Caracal. No pod loss. Additionally, my corp mates like to test their ECM drones on me periodically, because I have high EWAR skills, and they rarely work. So they know when they do work, they've got good ECM. Maybe you need to train your EWAR skills higher, so you have stronger defence against it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment 444	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:09:00 - [46] - Quote I hate ECm drones, that's why i use smartbombs of i got the slot for it. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Jarod Garamonde Action Bastards 250	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:34:00 - [47] - Quote Roggle wrote: Your choices for 1vs1's Bring ECCM- Win vs people that bring ECM drones, but be down a mid/low slot and lose to anyone that does not use them Dont bring ECCM-Level playing field with people that dont use ECM drones. but lose to anyone that brings them I realize there are a thousand threads about this but im butthurt so ya. I thought E-Uni taught their people not to be like this... "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 24	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:37:00 - [48] - Quote Think outside the square. In this case the square is your boxing rink mentality. Dont sit there letting the ECM drones jam you acting helpless. Kite them around, kill them. You have to be faster than your opponent but that removes your rock paper scissors analogy. Being faster doesnt take up a slot nor does it mean you have to use ECM drones yourself. Once your drones have killed off your opponents drones he now has no drones and you have the advantage over him.
Invisusira The Rising Stars The Initiative. 169	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:18:00 - [49] - Quote because everything should be balanced in 1v1 amirite World of EVEcraft Core Skills - train em up train em up!
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 676	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:19:00 - [50] - Quote Clueless player crying about ECM drones, nothing to see here. R Tape Loading Error
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 24	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:29:00 - [51] - Quote Invisusira wrote: because everything should be balanced in 1v1 amirite World of EVEcraft Actually it should be. Balance scales with numbers naturally. At a certain point without enforcing numbers balance artificially like EvE does in PvP comps balance can't be achieved at all so it's foolish attempting to balance at fleet levels since they're inherently always going to be imbalanced. There is no point or logic in doing so.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1496	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:24:00 - [52] - Quote Dude, if they're using ECM drones then they are down on DPS. Same principle for your slots. If you don't want to lose on some DPS then don't, but don't then get pissy because someone else did. They already got nerffed. Train the damn skills up and stop complaining, they barely ever work as it is. Apply your drones on theirs. They already lost the DPS from their drones, so now you can "temporarily" lose yours to counter-act them. Then, once their drones are killed, you have your advantage back. Use your head. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 436	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:30:00 - [53] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: baltec1 wrote: Roggle wrote: I would love to hear an example Smartbomb. That won't work in High Sec, not without getting Concordened Then stop fighting off the undock you tard. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Bane Veradun Band of Blobbers 22	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:41:00 - [54] - Quote Risk Averse players are hurting 1v1s. ECM is a legitimate mechanic built into the game, usable by all. Violating the spirit of 1v1s through things like off-grid boosting and RR, among other things, is what hurts 1v1s and PvP in general. A lion that needs his prey to lay down in front of him, is no lion at all. He's a pet.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 1072	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:54:00 - [55] - Quote Roggle wrote: baltec1 wrote: So use a lowslot for your ECCM. same pricaple, down a slot. You lose to anyone that does not use ECM/ECCM cause they are up one mod its too rocky/paper/scissors SCISSORS IS OP NERF SCISSORS & BUFF PAPER; ROCK IS OK An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 303	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:56:00 - [56] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Roggle wrote: baltec1 wrote: So use a lowslot for your ECCM. same pricaple, down a slot. You lose to anyone that does not use ECM/ECCM cause they are up one mod its too rocky/paper/scissors SCISSORS IS OP NERF SCISSORS & BUFF PAPER; ROCK IS OK L2P NOOB SCISSORS ARE FINE. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Monistat Seven BlackRoseMafia 1	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:14:00 - [57] - Quote Eve is 1v1? More like 1v1+n where n is OMGBBQ.
Jon Joringer Zero-K 32	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:20:00 - [58] - Quote Really, guys, CCP pretty much fixed ECM drones (at least when there's only one flight on you). Once I trained my racial compensation skill to V, I've hardly ever been jammed by a flight of 300s or 600s. It certainly keeps me safe long enough for my own drones to shoot 'em up. And when I know that my opponent has wasted some or all of his drone bay on those stupid, now ineffective things, I can't help but smile.
Seven Koskanaiken Nothing Is True Everything Is Permitted 173	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:23:00 - [59] - Quote Never once had ecm drones put out in a 1v1. Never saw a falcon alt either. I think it's just an urban myth.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2533	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:35:00 - [60] - Quote Roggle wrote: Your choices for 1vs1's Bring ECCM- Win vs people that bring ECM drones, but be down a mid/low slot and lose to anyone that does not use them Dont bring ECCM-Level playing field with people that dont use ECM drones. but lose to anyone that brings them I realize there are a thousand threads about this but im butthurt so ya. Bring your own ECM drones. If the dice roll right then neither of you can do anything but try to blow each other up with smack talk in local. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!

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