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Lucas Raholan Agenda Industries 73	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:13:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: The Federation Senate today overwhelmingly voted on a resolution to condemn the actions surrounding Admiral Visera Yanala's death and has urged the Chief Executive Panel to further investigate the incident. The resolution, sponsored by Head of the Senate Aulmont Meis, passed 756-101, with 24 abstentions. The resolution reads, in full, GÇ£On this May 26th, YC 115, the Senate of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime completely and unequivocally condemns the death of the Caldari war hero Admiral Visera Yanala by forced ingestion of poison. Admiral Yanala, acting to preserve human life, bravely disobeyed orders to open fire with a doomsday weapon against Caldari Prime. In response, her superior forced her into ritual suicide. The Senate requests the Chief Executive Panel of the Caldari State fully investigate this matter and bring the perpetrator to justice.GÇ¥ The CEP has yet to respond to the resolution as it continues its investigation. Source I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 2708	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:16:00 - [2] - Quote Well, it's deeply heartwarming to see that the Senate is willing to bestow the accolade of "war hero" on a woman who was on the other side of the war, but I really do feel like they're only saying it now that she's dead. I'd much prefer it if she were able to respond to their gratitude herself. Mane 614
Grideris Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition 659	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:22:00 - [3] - Quote I really was wrong about her. I mean, I don't know what I would have done differently if it had all happened all over again, but, something. I don't know. I just hope that history doesn't show me a monster. http://www.dust514.org - *the* unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
iyammarrok The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative 61	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:50:00 - [4] - Quote As was I Grid. That said, She intended that you believe that she was preparing to fire the oblivion at the planet. Why else would she have notified the populace of the entire system of her intent. I am thankful that her words were an obfuscation, but it does not change the fact that, at the time, she was claiming that she was preparing to fire upon civilians. Her actions saved many, but her words doomed her vessel on that day. I cannot help but think that she knew exactly what she was forcing upon the capsuleers in Luminaire on that day. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Nur AlHuda Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:54:00 - [5] - Quote Well its completly outrageous since this would never happen if gallente wouldnt attack caldari homeworld at the first place. The senate is completly out of the touch with reality. This happens if you leave politicians in charge of army. They get completly drunk with one single victory. Instead of solving one problem they created several milion others. They dealt with one ship on orbit now the caldari have troops dug in on every street corner and hill. So "good work" federation. Since the planet is fully habitable and can provide plenty of food for armies it would take decades to remove them from bunkers, forests and mountains.
Lucas Raholan Agenda Industries 73	Posted - 2013.05.26 14:03:00 - [6] - Quote Grideris wrote: I really was wrong about her. I mean, I don't know what I would have done differently if it had all happened all over again, but, something. I don't know. I just hope that history doesn't show me a monster. You as I and every one else acted that day based on what information we had available, you should think no less of your self because of it. It is still nice to see that Yanala was more then one of Heths crony's and still had morale's, she will truly been seen as a hero. Nur AlHuda wrote: They dealt with one ship on orbit now the caldari have troops dug in on every street corner and hill All Caldari forces have been extracted under the treaty signed between the State and the Gallente...Mordu's Legion now provides security. I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 485	Posted - 2013.05.26 14:20:00 - [7] - Quote Highly inappropriate behavior from the Senate. Meddling in business that is not theirs, how typical Gallente. We Caldari are not so easily bough, and we do remember who are our friends and who are our enemies. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10649	Posted - 2013.05.26 14:53:00 - [8] - Quote Admiral Visera Yanala was a true exemplar of a soldier. She did her duty even when it was difficult, and even when it led her to oppose the Executor she acted in the best interest of the State. She is rightly remembered as a hero. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8
Emile Belfleur Solar Zouaves 86	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:10:00 - [9] - Quote I wish the Senate would shut up for once. This is a Caldari matter for Caldari law. Petitions from us have zero place in this situation.
BloodBird Duty. 188	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:11:00 - [10] - Quote Jowen Datloran wrote: Highly inappropriate behavior from the Senate. Meddling in business that is not theirs, how typical Gallente. We Caldari are not so easily bough, and we do remember who are our friends and who are our enemies. "How dare the Federation's leadership show respect to a soldier for refusing to commit genocide after being ordered to do so, this goes against my ignorant beliefs regarding the Union and my ideas regarding what they are like, outrageous!" Cry harder. Maybe it will lead to something other than ridicule. Emile Belfleur wrote: I wish the Senate would shut up for once. This is a Caldari matter for Caldari law. Petitions from us have zero place in this situation. The Federation Senate has complete right to petition anyone they please and ask whatever they wish of them when it involves their own people, especially they have the right to ask the CEP to "bring to [State] Justice the people responsible" for killing someone for refusing to exterminate the Federal population of a planet when ordered to do so. Caldari Prime is not just the Caldari Homeworld, it is home to quite the sizable population of Federation citizens, that makes this a Federation matter as well as a State one.
Gabriel Darkefyre Gradient Electus Matari 52	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:19:00 - [11] - Quote Due to something revealed during an ongoing CEP investigation into the events surrounding the Battle of Caldari Prime and the Death of Admiral Yanala, the Gallente Senate would like the CEP to investigate the Death of Admiral Yanala. I believe there's a phrase regarding horses and stable doors, but this statement seems to be very redundant as what they're asking for is already being done.
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Tribal Band 988	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:46:00 - [12] - Quote It's great that the senate is upset about this, but what's the point in voting on Caldari internal affairs? Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
BloodBird Duty. 188	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: It's great that the senate is upset about this, but what's the point in voting on Caldari internal affairs? I would not say they are voting on it or anything, it's more like they are saying they are fine with the CEP dealing with the responsible party in this case. In essence, it's a thumbs up going "we are fine with you dealing with this, please go ahead." I will have to admit though that it seems a bit redundant, it's not like the CEP is NOT going to deal with this anyway, even if the Federation Senate approves. Because let's be honest here, the CEP has not given a damn what the Senate thinks for the last two centuries, they are not likely to start caring now.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 485	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:12:00 - [14] - Quote BloodBird wrote: snip Typical self inflated Gallente attitude. I care very little what sworn enemies of the State have of opinion on internal State affairs. At least Freddy got it correct. Must be his Deteis blood. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
Shiho Weitong Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio 32	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:24:00 - [15] - Quote BloodBird wrote: Fredfredbug4 wrote: It's great that the senate is upset about this, but what's the point in voting on Caldari internal affairs? I would not say they are voting on it or anything, it's more like they are saying they are fine with the CEP dealing with the responsible party in this case. In essence, it's a thumbs up going "we are fine with you dealing with this, please go ahead." I will have to admit though that it seems a bit redundant, it's not like the CEP is NOT going to deal with this anyway, even if the Federation Senate approves. Because let's be honest here, the CEP has not given a damn what the Senate thinks for the last two centuries, they are not likely to start caring now. Why would the CEP need a thumbs up from the senate, or even care wether we got it or not. This seems like another attempt from the senate to seem in control of factors outside their sphere of influence. It's unseemly and distasteful. Especially since what they are asking is probably already in the works. Saying they are not voting on internal Caldari politics is asinine at best, as that is excactly what they did, without even trying to obfuscate the fact. At least they are honest about their imperialistic agenda. If only their baseliners and their loyal capsuleers would see this as well. But I guess it will be great PR for the baseliners. "We told the state to look into this, and they did. Aren't we powerful?"
Emile Belfleur Solar Zouaves 86	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:44:00 - [16] - Quote BloodBird wrote: The Federation Senate has complete right to petition anyone they please and ask whatever they wish of them when it involves their own people, especially they have the right to ask the CEP to "bring to [State] Justice the people responsible" for killing someone for refusing to exterminate the Federal population of a planet when ordered to do so. Caldari Prime is not just the Caldari Homeworld, it is home to quite the sizable population of Federation citizens, that makes this a Federation matter as well as a State one. The Senate is not commenting on the Admiral's actions above Caldari Prime here, Captain. They are commenting on what happened to her after she left the jurisdiction of the Federation's member states. What Caldari do to Caldari within the confines of Caldari space is none of our concern whatsoever.
BloodBird Duty. 192	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:10:00 - [17] - Quote Jowen Datloran wrote: Typical self inflated Gallente attitude. I care very little what sworn enemies of the State have of opinion on internal State affairs. At least Mr. Bugabus the Fourth got it correct. Must be his Deteis blood. I am a sworn enemy of the State now? Since when? Funny how you found something POSITIVE to say about the one who said what you agreed with, but jumped to conclusions when my statement did not conform to your desires. Even more funny how the positive remark you had was "he has Deteis blood" while I am considered a "Gallente" - apparently a bad thing in a universal sense. It's all the usual. I'm Intaki, by the way. I hope you get it right next time, but I'm sure you won't. Shiho Weitong wrote: Why would the CEP need a thumbs up from the senate, or even care wether we got it or not. snip They don't, obviously. But the Senate has their views and their matters to comment on and felt it was prudent to remark on this. I doubt they give a damn if the CEP agree with or like them or anything, it was their remark to make, in this case condemning the killing of someone they apparently respect. But as usual, when the Federation or anyone from it remarks on something, even if it's to offer respect or condemn anyone for what they view a crime, it's met with hostility and arrogant derision from pretty much anyone, including a host of their own citizens who view even commenting on another matter to be a crime. I'm still waiting for that day when the Union's leadership or people do something that is not considered a bad thing by all the usual suspects. I am still not holding my breath while doing so. Emile Belfleur wrote: The Senate is not commenting on the Admiral's actions above Caldari Prime here, Captain. They are commenting on what happened to her after she left the jurisdiction of the Federation's member states. What Caldari do to Caldari within the confines of Caldari space is none of our concern whatsoever. Maybe you believe so, the Senate believes otherwise. Apparently they get outraged if you murder your own Admiral for the "crime" of not wiping millions of Federation citizens of the face of a planet and rendering said planet uninhabitable for a few hundred years, as ordered. The named the Admiral a war-hero for not doing that. Let me underline that. They considered Admiral Yanala's disobeying orders to genocide Caldari Prime as an act noble enough to name her, an enemy of the Federation, a war-hero and offered their respect to her for holding to a standard higher than "do whatever the blood-hungry dictator tells me to". Apparently it was a bad move to open their mouths and speak respectfully of the admiral for a noble choice made under fire, and surely it was also a dumb move to be angry when it was clear that such a move cost her her life at the hands of her own leadership. But then as I've said, Federals speak up and people complain about it. All is right with the world.
Emile Belfleur Solar Zouaves 87	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:22:00 - [18] - Quote BloodBird wrote: Maybe you believe so, the Senate believes otherwise. Well...obviously. Otherwise, I would have no cause for complaint, would I? Why state the obvious, Captain?
Naomi Hale Children of New Eden 88	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:31:00 - [19] - Quote While I'm sure the Gallente people agree with their Senate, and it is a noble gesture on their part. The Caldari must wait for the decision of the CEP and hopefully the truth. Our governing body must examine all the facts and provide justice. The Gallente Senate making this statement should have as much impact on the Caldari people as Heth's words have had on the Gallente in the past. Yes, Yamala made a tough call in a terrible situation and is a war hero, however she is not the only one that was made during the battle above and on Caldari Prime, on both sides of the conflict, and definately not the only one that met a tragic and untimely end. Let's remember all the lost lives as we head forwards. That said... if Heth is still in power a month from now I'm heading for Rogue Drones space, the only faction I'll have any respect left for. I choose to believe what I was PROGRAMMED to believe!
BloodBird Duty. 192	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:44:00 - [20] - Quote Emile Belfleur wrote: BloodBird wrote: Maybe you believe so, the Senate believes otherwise. Well...obviously. Otherwise, I would have no cause for complaint, would I? Why state the obvious, Captain? It was the start for all the rest of my post that you may wish to read.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1622	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:45:00 - [21] - Quote Sentiment appreciated for what it is... mere sentiments... but don't they have better things to vote on? As for the rest of you, I think you're taking this a bit too seriously. Their Senate isn't making any demands, nor are they interfering. They're just voting a bit pointlessly to say they don't like that Yanala was given the tea. It's not really their business, but this is the interstellar equivalent of your neighbor apologizing for the death of a relative. Instead of throwing a fit right there for the sentiment because you don't like it, consider just grunting and nodding your head. I think it's safe to ignore such things from Federal bureaucracy. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations
Seriphyn Inhonores Destiny Foundation 500	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:50:00 - [22] - Quote I think you're all missing the point. This is just a routine motion to clarify the Federation's position. I don't think that any Senator actually believes the CEP will answer to them.
Caellach Marellus Aideron Technologies 985	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:54:00 - [23] - Quote Grideris wrote: I really was wrong about her. I mean, I don't know what I would have done differently if it had all happened all over again, but, something. I don't know. I just hope that history doesn't show me a monster. We may have been wrong about her intent to fire the Doomsday, but one act of defiance and doing the right thing doesn't justify other questionable actions taken that day. Regardless, the Senate encouraging the Caldari to bring down Heth? What's next in the news today, water found to be wet? This is as pathetic as when Heth tried pandering to the Republic after Midular passed away, opportunistic shitehawks. Enjoy your gaming. http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com
Vikarion Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 497	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:19:00 - [24] - Quote Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: I think you're all missing the point. This is just a routine motion to clarify the Federation's position. I don't think that any Senator actually believes the CEP will answer to them. Other instances of this behavior would suggest otherwise. Anyway, the Federation Senate can **** off. To be called a "hero" by the Federation is an insult to a Caldari.
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10653	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:54:00 - [25] - Quote Vikarion wrote: Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: I think you're all missing the point. This is just a routine motion to clarify the Federation's position. I don't think that any Senator actually believes the CEP will answer to them. Other instances of this behavior would suggest otherwise. Anyway, the Federation Senate can **** off. To be called a "hero" by the Federation is an insult to a Caldari. I have often admired your stance. In this case I do not. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8
BloodBird Duty. 198	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:42:00 - [26] - Quote Vikarion wrote: Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: I think you're all missing the point. This is just a routine motion to clarify the Federation's position. I don't think that any Senator actually believes the CEP will answer to them. Other instances of this behavior would suggest otherwise. Anyway, the Federation Senate can **** off. To be called a "hero" by the Federation is an insult to a Caldari. Vikarion, you are an AWESOME State citizen. Never stop being an upstanding role-model for the younger generations to aspire to. After all you already speak on their behalf.
Trent Valtine The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.27 00:24:00 - [27] - Quote Emile Belfleur wrote: I wish the Senate would shut up for once. This is a Caldari matter for Caldari law. Petitions from us have zero place in this situation. The Gallente Federation's citizens living on Caldari Prime would beg to differ with you, I'm sure. Use of the titan's doomsday weapon would have been catastrophic, doubtlessly killing both Gallente and Caldari on the planet. I join my Senators in expressing my gratitude for her bravery. Heth obviously cares little for those living on the Caldari homeworld. It is clear from this report that he simply wanted the planet as a trophy for the State whether or not the conflict left the planet nothing but a scorched, dead rock.
Caellach Marellus Aideron Technologies 989	Posted - 2013.05.27 00:45:00 - [28] - Quote Trent Valtine wrote: Emile Belfleur wrote: I wish the Senate would shut up for once. This is a Caldari matter for Caldari law. Petitions from us have zero place in this situation. The Gallente Federation's citizens living on Caldari Prime would beg to differ with you, I'm sure. Use of the titan's doomsday weapon would have been catastrophic, doubtlessly killing both Gallente and Caldari on the planet. I join my Senators in expressing my gratitude for her bravery. Heth obviously cares little for those living on the Caldari homeworld. It is clear from this report that he simply wanted the planet as a trophy for the State whether or not the conflict left the planet nothing but a scorched, dead rock. Praising her is one thing, telling the CPD how to go about their business, or well "suggesting" is beyond what is acceptable practice for the Senate. Makes them as bad as Heth with his rampant opportunism. Enjoy your gaming. http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com
Grideris Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition 662	Posted - 2013.05.27 04:49:00 - [29] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Sentiment appreciated for what it is... mere sentiments... but don't they have better things to vote on? As for the rest of you, I think you're taking this a bit too seriously. Their Senate isn't making any demands, nor are they interfering. They're just voting a bit pointlessly to say they don't like that Yanala was given the tea. It's not really their business, but this is the interstellar equivalent of your neighbor apologizing for the death of a relative. Instead of throwing a fit right there for the sentiment because you don't like it, consider just grunting and nodding your head. I think it's safe to ignore such things from Federal bureaucracy. They have to vote because the Senate can't say something unless the Senate actually agrees on it. Plus I don't think it wouldn't take long for a vote like this, especially with the way the vote turned out. http://www.dust514.org - *the* unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1501	Posted - 2013.05.27 06:38:00 - [30] - Quote What? No dozen dreadnaughts jumping into Caldari space to demand Heth be turned over to the Federation for trial under their own laws? Oh wait, I forgot... the Federation is actually civilized. The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight.

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