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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.26 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenvahar on 26/10/2005 14:20:44
I have recently become concerned with the reports of scientists, now located in Rens, developing mind control technology for ridding the criminal element from out universe..
In no way can a mass mind control technology be a good thing. As a Gallente, I am of the clear belief that free will is the only fair and acceptable path for all humanity to follow so we can achieve all we are ment to achieve. No faction, goverment or corporation can be trusted with such technology should it be developed. At the least the Gallente Federation can not stand for it's development based on fundamental values. I would put out a call to our officials to add any and all support to the Caldari investigaation into the clearly suspicious activities of the two scientists, Dr Albert Vance and Dr Vic Stats.
We can not support the developmebnt of any technology which subverts the will of anyone, criminal or otherwise. It is the otherwise of us that I am most concerned for. It is my strong belief that unless put under extreme pressure and scrutiny by all, the major factions could be seriously damaged by such technology. The potential for disaster far out weighs any benifits for controling a mind through a remote means.
Please, if you have any pull with your respective government advise them to the dangers and send aid to the Caldari investigators under the direction of Pete Sance. No old political wounds and posturing between factions should stand in the way of us protecting our ability to make decisions unafected by a will enforced by machines. Machines developed by hands which currantly have no clear agenda or accountablity to the public.
Gwenvahar; Very concerned citizen of the Gallente Federation.
OOC: I am quite dissapointed by the IG news reports which do not contain any hints or directives for players to get involved with this beyond naming the system inwhich activity is occuring.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.10.26 14:20:00 -
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If it was possible, the Amarrians would've invented a mindcontrol device millennia ago.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.26 14:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Discorporation
If it was possible, the Amarrians would've invented a mindcontrol device millennia ago.
Nothing about their development suggests that they need to, and currantly we have no proof either way to suggest that they are not ultimately behind the development of this technology. Just claiming it can't be done isn't stopping these men from trying. And try anything hard enough and long enough you will find some discoveries.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.10.26 14:30:00 -
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That's allright. They'll fail  .
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.10.26 20:44:00 -
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TCMCs were invented by Ishukone quite a while ago. Doing it without the implant isn't such a stretch. Would just need to influence the same parts of the brain without the direct contact of a microcontroller. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already, especially with all the resources Sansha and the Amarr have put into controlling people (albeit on slightly different levels generally) over the years.
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Silver Night
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.27 00:38:00 -
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I do not want to get into a theoretical discussion on the possibility of developing the technology. The news reports simply indicate two unsavory scientists, involved in a shady technology development project, that if sucessful could be serious trouble for all empires. Does no one care about the implications?
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.10.27 01:41:00 -
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To be honest, I'm suprised Sansha supporters haven't tried to appeal to these doctors beforehand.
I'd have thought it was right up their street, as it were.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.10.27 01:58:00 -
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Maybe Sansha's Nation is happy with its current system? Or maybe the scientists ahve talked with them, who knows?
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Silver Night
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.27 03:54:00 -
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Well that's kind of the point, no one knows. The scientists are not talking, and have run once from direct questioning. However their vague agenda is to use thier technology to address crime and criminal behavior, over the entire EVE universe... I don't buy it for a second, and alot of other pilots don't either yet some are assisting the scientists anyway, blinded by their greed.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.10.27 10:38:00 -
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Gwenwahar, you are not the only one worried about this development, believe me. The reasons are obvious and anyone helping these "scientists" and still calling him/herself a Minmatar is a disgrace - and yes, such disgraces are around, as shown by a recent discussion on the racial comms.
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Haitchi Allamut
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Posted - 2005.10.27 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 27/10/2005 19:21:23
There is no need to worrie. A rival sience team has come up with a blueprint from a device to cancel the brainwaves. It has also been made public Here.
So there is no real need to worrie about anything really.
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Elthia
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Posted - 2005.10.27 20:35:00 -
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Let's hope the blueprint available there actually works. I would hate to see it become a mind-control war, similar to the arms races so many groups get into...
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.28 17:42:00 -
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OOC: I kind of wonder at the lact of hints or specific suggestions on how to get involved with this event.. Was this one of those fictional player news submissions which have no bearing on the game?
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Right Eyeighty
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Posted - 2005.10.28 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Right Eyeighty on 28/10/2005 18:20:13
Edited by: Right Eyeighty on 28/10/2005 18:19:11
Originally by: Gwenvahar
OOC: I kind of wonder at the lact of hints or specific suggestions on how to get involved with this event.. Was this one of those fictional player news submissions which have no bearing on the game?
<<Actually, those two scientists aren't just player fictional news item, Pete Sance did also appear in Caldari FTL channel several days ago asking their whereabouts. It's happening as ingame event FYI>>
The sooner we bag those two, the sooner this histeria will end. I cannot tolerate long enough of their presents in Minmatar Republic.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.10.28 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Brastagi on 28/10/2005 21:29:43
Quote:
The sooner we bag those two, the sooner this histeria will end. I cannot tolerate long enough of their presents in Minmatar Republic.
So any news in the local?
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For the ancient Archipelago Terra
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El Sayal
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Posted - 2005.10.28 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: El Sayal on 28/10/2005 22:41:12
I cant help but feel that a simpler way to solve criminality might just be to contact the jovians and genetically modify criminal elements, its got to be just as likely to recieve a response as the doctors are to succeed? and if they do, is that a bad thing? 
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.10.28 23:02:00 -
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The work these scientists carry on is that of the long dead sancha. IT must be stopped.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.28 23:35:00 -
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My belief, and that of my choosen elected government, is that any interference with free will beyond the swaying power of debate, is wrong. Everyone must retain the powere to decide their own fate, as much as the creator will allow, criminal or otherwise.
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Alodie
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Posted - 2005.10.30 21:26:00 -
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I do not know if this information has filtered through into common knowledge yet, but the two visionaries Vance and Stats after fleeing into the Amarr Empire broadcast their message on the Amarr public channel ealier this evening.
These truly gifted men announced they are nearing the completion of their project just as their persuers made themselves known in the channel. An altercation ensued, to whit the eminent Doctor swiftly and with great eloquence easily put down the illogical arguements of the terrorists attempting to bring the scientists great breakthrough into disrepute.
No genius is appreciated by the majority in their time but I truly believe they shall prove to you all the good they are doing for humanity and that all soon will become clear.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.10.30 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Alodie
No genius is appreciated by the majority in their time but I truly believe they shall prove to you all the good they are doing for humanity and that all soon will become clear.
I look forwards to seeing the fruits of their labour.
A genius who seeking humanity doesn't admit to enslave whole Eve....
There's a thin line between genius and madman... the different is, madman are nuts ...
You're not planning to exploit their work do you?
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.30 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brastagi
Originally by: Alodie
No genius is appreciated by the majority in their time but I truly believe they shall prove to you all the good they are doing for humanity and that all soon will become clear.
I look forwards to seeing the fruits of their labour.
A genius who seeking humanity doesn't admit to enslave whole Eve....
There's a thin line between genius and madman... the different is, madman are nuts ...
You're not planning to exploit their work do you?
The Amarr affect behavior control though drugs and social conditioning. This although tolerable to the community at large still flys in the face of my governments steadfast position on free will and public rule.
Sansha, dose it through surgury on individuals, implanting hardware, one unfortunate soul at a time.. An awful brutal process I'm told. This also is highly distasteful to my people, however because the process is so small scale by comparison, it to is tolerated to a degree..
These scientists, with their vague claims of benifiting humanity galaxy wide, do not pass the test of integrity... If they want support, they need to be up front and have open inspection of their research, equipment and agenda. Anything short of this makes them rogue, and highly dangerous.
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Alodie
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:07:00 -
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How can the intrepid refugees present their work to the galaxy and claim the accountability you seek when they are ruthlessly persued by, and I amshamed to say it, Caldari terrorists?
Only when these criminals are brought to justice can they share their work with EVE in safety, they dare not risk their lifes work to appease some nay sayers in the short term.
When the terrorists recieve the punishment they deserve I will be amongst those who call for Dr Vance, without fear of unjust persecution, to share his completed work with us all.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
If it was possible, the Amarrians would've invented a mindcontrol device millennia ago.
I think the church already did invent such an item, but it only works within the confines of the Amarr Empire. :)
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sarkos on 31/10/2005 14:45:00
Considering the Jove are constantly watching every facet of our societies, and monitor every action in this universe, I can not see the Jove allowing the possibility of completion. Surely their tool, CONCORD, would see to the fast elimination of any threat from this device as it represents to great a shift in power.
If the Jove did not use CONCORD for this, I'm sure some other para-military organization would be contacted via mysterious stranger, and given the mission to destroy the item and doctors.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alodie
How can the intrepid refugees present their work to the galaxy and claim the accountability you seek when they are ruthlessly persued by, and I amshamed to say it, Caldari terrorists?
Only when these criminals are brought to justice can they share their work with EVE in safety, they dare not risk their lifes work to appease some nay sayers in the short term.
When the terrorists recieve the punishment they deserve I will be amongst those who call for Dr Vance, without fear of unjust persecution, to share his completed work with us all.
Had they been up front to begin with they wouldn't be running for cover now.. Should they come clean and release their research manterials and allow inspection of their equipment they could recieve some greater acceptance and support for the integrity of their work, if there is any.. Their actions paint them as suspicious from the start, their actions have painted them as rogue scientists currantly.
They took the first steps, or mis-steps, and now suffer the consequences of their lack of cooperation with local governments and society at large. The Caldari investigators are hardly terrorists, they haven't made anyone more afraid other than the scientisis they seek to investigate..
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
Edited by: Sarkos on 31/10/2005 14:45:00
Considering the Jove are constantly watching every facet of our societies, and monitor every action in this universe, I can not see the Jove allowing the possibility of completion. Surely their tool, CONCORD, would see to the fast elimination of any threat from this device as it represents to great a shift in power.
If the Jove did not use CONCORD for this, I'm sure some other para-military organization would be contacted via mysterious stranger, and given the mission to destroy the item and doctors.
Sarkos
By belief is that CONCORD couldn't care less about it. No matter the end results it probably would not change CONCORDS role in our lives. They have no agenda or social standards to protect here.
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2005.11.01 04:52:00 -
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It really sounds like a needless waste of energy to make a "mind-control" device. Minds are naturally rather easy in masses. |
Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.11.01 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeleron
It really sounds like a needless waste of energy to make a "mind-control" device. Minds are naturally rather easy in masses.
Just give a mercenary billions isk, and he will do anything.... even wearing underware on his head while piloting a ship and ramming a stargate....
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:21:00 -
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Heh.. I would have to agree on principle that mass manipulations are a diffrent matter and occur all the time.. If through the power of media and diplomacy you convince people that the decision they just made was because they were willing, and not because you wanted them to, no one can accuse you later of being unfair.
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Daryl Xero
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:25:00 -
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The question is, what is the nature of this technology? Is it an implant that needs to be surgically installed? Is it something that only needs to be used once to complete its changes or does it need to be in constant contact? Can it be used at range? In space against capsuleers?
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