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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:18:00 -
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Just watched this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=XZxXEidtxHk&NR=1
Quite interesting. Maybe history is going to repeat itself.
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Reiisha
Evolution
The Retirement Club
294
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Posted - 2013.05.28 19:15:00 -
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That's actually a pretty good summation of what's going on. It might be a bit overdramatic in places (ME3 wasn't bad perse, just rushed), it does hit the nail on the head.
The one thing i missed was the fact that large publishers are, in addition to rushing development, also putting very unrealistic sales targets on their games, either by simply being naive or using it as an administrative way to prevent higher payouts to development teams due to sales ("if you don't sell 100 million games you don't gte a $5 raise"). Square/Tomb Raider is a good example of this, where selling 3.5m copies of the game was still viewed as a failure, even though selling 500k+ of any game can usually be considered a pretty good result. This depends on the budget though, but still harkens back to setting unrealistic targets.
Take Minecraft - No targets whatsoever but still massive sales. Same with LoL, Angry Birds, Terraria or even stuff like Dear Esther or Amnesia and other breakout indie games.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
286
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Posted - 2013.05.28 19:44:00 -
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Great vid. I do hope there is a crash, force publishers to make good games.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:01:00 -
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The industry got too big too fast and it went to the head of all the big CEOs. They are now reaping their reward.
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
286
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:04:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:The industry got too big too fast and it went to the head of all the big CEOs. They are now reaping their reward.
Consumers are also to blame demanding more and more content at a more rapid rate.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:38:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Eli Green wrote:The industry got too big too fast and it went to the head of all the big CEOs. They are now reaping their reward. Consumers are also to blame demanding more and more content at a more rapid rate.
WHAT??!?!! This surely isnt the case with Eve Online.....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:46:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Eli Green wrote:The industry got too big too fast and it went to the head of all the big CEOs. They are now reaping their reward. Consumers are also to blame demanding more and more content at a more rapid rate.
True true, unfortunately though a mindset change on the consumer's part will be a lot harder to accomplish.
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AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:54:00 -
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That was a pretty good look at history and where the industry stands today. However, I personally do not think the gaming crash on a scale of that of '83 is possible unless it is part of a complete depression across the entire economy worse than the great depression.
One reason for this is Kickstarter and other crowd funded games. The goal of these efforts is to develop until you have exhausted your funding instead of relying on maybe not sales. This will push up the quality of low to mid cost games.
The main reason in my opinion is Steambox. That is pushing developers to provide console like control options to their games and providing the standardization of consoles without the inflexibility. For instance recently Project Zomboid put out a video showing controls with a Xbox 360 controller then with a few buttons there was split screen multiplayer. And the goal seems to be later to have that and internet multiplayer.
Personally my opinion is that Xbox One and Wii U will fail and the only console gaming going 5 years from now will be Sony and Steambox. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
United Federation of Commerce
883
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:29:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Eli Green wrote:The industry got too big too fast and it went to the head of all the big CEOs. They are now reaping their reward. Consumers are also to blame demanding more and more content at a more rapid rate. WHAT??!?!! This surely isnt the case with Eve Online.....
surely my sarcasm-o-meter isn't broken and reads 0 in this quote right here.
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12435
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:50:00 -
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A recession is actually a healthy part of a capitalist economy, cull the weak, let their capital be absorbed by the strong who know how to manage it, rehire the people and get the factories back to work. The entertainment industry has long had this position of trying to keeps the goods time rolling, and its coming in for a viscous reality check.
Hence they are banking in sequels to roll in and cut the advertising, pushing 3D like a crack dealer and making it more difficult to watch the cheaper 2D presentations. This video isn't just Video Games, the whole Entertainment sector as a whole is guilty of this,Sony putting a virus on CD's, the list goes on really with the MPAA thinking they can dictated terms to the planet.
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Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
308
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:58:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:A recession is actually a healthy part of a capitalist economy, cull the weak, let their capital be absorbed by the strong who know how to manage it, rehire the people and get the factories back to work. The entertainment industry has long had this position of trying to keeps the goods time rolling, and its coming in for a viscous reality check.
Hence they are banking in sequels to roll in and cut the advertising, pushing 3D like a crack dealer and making it more difficult to watch the cheaper 2D presentations. This video isn't just Video Games, the whole Entertainment sector as a whole is guilty of this,Sony putting a virus on CD's, the list goes on really with the MPAA thinking they can dictated terms to the planet.
Countless reboots on super hero films.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12541
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Posted - 2013.05.29 06:03:00 -
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At least the current batch are mediocre to pretty damned good.
Watch the old Captain America and compare with the new one for instance, I'm choosing to see the silver lining of them having to distil existing ideas, to a finished product.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1231
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:18:00 -
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intersting point of view
and to be honest id EA eventually fails it will be a victory for all serious game developers and gamers
and if sony and MS go ahead with their no more used games application , well they probably going to shoot themselves in the foot
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Hesod Adee
Turalyon Plus
10
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:51:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:and if sony and MS go ahead with their no more used games application , well they probably going to shoot themselves in the foot
If blocking second hand game sales is going to be such a bad move for Sony and MS, why is Steam so successful ?
Yes, gamers are complaining a lot about it now. But a lot of the people I see complaining are happy Steam users and/or MMO players who can't sell their games second hand. But the Xbone, the one that allows second hand sales for a fee, is the one people complain about. Not the services that block second hand sales completely.
I think this is going to be a repeat of the Modern Warfare 2 boycott. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
13604
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:37:00 -
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If they pull of what Steam has done, periodic massive discounts to make massive proffits, it will work. The current distribution mechanism exists to pay for physical media and shops to get their share, who would boycott a product if sold at digital distribution costs like Steam. Steam is just PC, so it gets away with it, but if MS started getting the new COD sold for the cuts only it and Activision got, say -ú15 vs -ú40....
I'm coming around to MS point of view slowly, it makes sense for them to break the weak link in the chain keeping prices this high across the board.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
232
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:39:00 -
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PurinaGäó 
I will just say, as it has to do with sports gamers and EA, I have thought the yearly releases on games like Madden and Fifa were a rip off from the get go. So this has been going on for longer then video games have been around.
AbhChallenger wrote:That was a pretty good look at history and where the industry stands today. However, I personally do not think the gaming crash on a scale of that of '83 is possible unless it is part of a complete depression across the entire economy worse than the great depression.
An interesting point. Hollywood arguably had its best years during the Great Depression as it, hypothesized at least, boosted the moral of the citizens as it 'gave hope'.
Link 1
Link 2
People tend to spend more on simple entertainment during depressed economic times as it tends to provide a relatively cheap escape at a local level. Free to Play games will fill this niche for awhile if pay to play game developers depress, as they appeal to very basic Pavlovian principles. I believe the 'Gaming Industry' will continue to reinvent itself.... which it has been doing for at least a century.
So, the gaming industry is, and will forever be, in the middle of a very interesting evolution. Gaming has been part of man's society for eons. It wont leave us anytime soon, it will just continue to evolve.
As Kirjava touches on below.
Kirjava wrote:A recession is actually a healthy part of a capitalist economy, cull the weak, let their capital be absorbed by the strong who know how to manage it, rehire the people and get the factories back to work. The entertainment industry has long had this position of trying to keeps the goods time rolling, and its coming in for a viscous reality check.
Hence they are banking in sequels to roll in and cut the advertising, pushing 3D like a crack dealer and making it more difficult to watch the cheaper 2D presentations. This video isn't just Video Games, the whole Entertainment sector as a whole is guilty of this,Sony putting a virus on CD's, the list goes on really with the MPAA thinking they can dictated terms to the planet.
Lol
The first paragraph makes it sound like you are a pure blooded capitalist, the second makes it sound like you would like to burn them at the stake. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
13762
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:48:00 -
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Well, in many respects I am a pure blooded capitalist, and I understand the need for a regulated business too. look at the Canadian banks and tell me how bad the recession was there. There is a balance, and Canada got it spot on.
As a consumer, I am the one that can deprive them of my money that I would ordinarily pay them, voting with ones wallet. So as a capitalist, I know what I am doing to the industry by denying them sales to me, which when spread across the population.... Hey, if they want to start getting my money again, they know what they need to do.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
318
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:11:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Well, in many respects I am a pure blooded capitalist, and I understand the need for a regulated business too. look at the Canadian banks and tell me how bad the recession was there. There is a balance, and Canada got it spot on.
As a consumer, I am the one that can deprive them of my money that I would ordinarily pay them, voting with ones wallet. So as a capitalist, I know what I am doing to the industry by denying them sales to me, which when spread across the population.... Hey, if they want to start getting my money again, they know what they need to do.
Capitalist in eve? There is a God!
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Hesod Adee
Turalyon Plus
12
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:56:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:If they pull of what Steam has done, periodic massive discounts to make massive proffits, it will work. The current distribution mechanism exists to pay for physical media and shops to get their share, who would boycott a product if sold at digital distribution costs like Steam. Steam is just PC, so it gets away with it, but if MS started getting the new COD sold for the cuts only it and Activision got, say -ú15 vs -ú40....
I'm coming around to MS point of view slowly, it makes sense for them to break the weak link in the chain keeping prices this high across the board.
Have you ever asked why Steams prices are the same as the boxed copies of a game, despite digital being cheaper ?
The only answer I've seen is that retailers have enough leverage that when they tell publishers to match prices or the retailer doesn't stock the game, the publishers give in.
Now consider the agreement between MS and retailers authorized to do second hand sales. That gives MS leverage to say that, if the retailer doesn't stock the games MS tells it to stock, they lose all their second hand sales. Now MS can sell digital copies for less than boxed copies, because they have negated the retailers leverage.
If that happens, publishers will have to chose between abandoning PC or matching that price from for digital versions of their PC games. Which means the retailers lose their leverage there as well. Same for Playstation, but I don't know if Sony has set up the infrastructure to sell everything digitally.
The end result being that platforms either die, or switch to digital distribution as most consumers will buy the cheaper copy. Either way, the retailers are screwed.
Now consider who forces preorder bonuses and ask yourself: Do retailers offer anything of value to gaming ? |
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