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Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:59:00 -
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Anyone else getting a major drop is sleeper salvage the past day or two?
Was making 25-40 million per hour.....now about 9.
Both numbers consistent across multiple wormholes and many different sites. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1394
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:14:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Anyone else getting a major drop is sleeper salvage the past day or two?
Was making 25-40 million per hour.....now about 9.
Both numbers consistent across multiple wormholes and many different sites.
Wow
It was about time. Haven't seen one of these in awhile.
1. Random is random
2. Changes over a day or two, or even a month is statistically insignificant
3. No I've seen average drops in the last day or two. Nothing noticeable. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1909
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:28:00 -
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http://www.random.org/ |
Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
11
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:30:00 -
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So you are telling me that the watch setting pattern of salvage I received every day over 80ish sites was completely random, and that the equally exact (but much lower isk wise) pattern for the next 20 sites was also random?
I'm not buying it, but I have no proof either way.... |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
286
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:38:00 -
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You don't have proof either way but you are not buying it..., you lost me. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1395
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:05:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:So you are telling me that the watch setting pattern of salvage I received every day over 80ish sites was completely random, and that the equally exact (but much lower isk wise) pattern for the next 20 sites was also random?
I'm not buying it, but I have no proof either way....
Yep. That is random.
And in the world of EVE, a sample of 100 sites is statistically insignificant. Go take an average over say 6 months and tell us then.
But I don't care if you buy it or not. It's not my job to teach you statistics (yes it was a class I took once upon a time).
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Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
11
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:11:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:You don't have proof either way but you are not buying it..., you lost me.
Don't believe something you are told, but have no concrete evidence that it is false. Yep, it's a common thing.
But as far as the random thing goes, If no one else is experiencing anything they perceive as strange I'll just keep waiting for the salvage to return to normal.
Congrats on taking a stat class. Who hasn't? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1395
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:49:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Congrats on taking a stat class. Who hasn't?
Apparently not you, if you are going to take a 1-2 day dry spell as cause for OMG LOOT NERFED.
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Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
11
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:59:00 -
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Oh I see, You assume to know for a fact that wormhole salvage is generated absolutely randomly instead of simply set on a counter. That may or may not be true, but since I didn't code the game I'll won't pretend to know the answer. Maybe I'll create a thread asking other players if they are experiencing the same outcomes I am seeing.... Oh wait.
On the side of it being a random chance....dice are random, but I can change those odds too. So what exactly is to stop the devs the from altering the probabilities? The answer is absolutely nothing.
Maybe next time, refrain from responding to a question, about the experiences of other players, with a statement built from a logical premise that you haven't proven. Let alone, arguing that premise like you are someone of importance or even intelligence.
Have a nice day. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
107
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:14:00 -
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The problem is this sort of thread comes up all the time, and it never pans out. If CCP chnaged the loot drops they will tell us.
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1395
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:26:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Oh I see, You assume to know for a fact that wormhole salvage is generated absolutely randomly instead of simply set on a counter. That may or may not be true, but since I didn't code the game I'll won't pretend to know the answer. Maybe I'll create a thread asking other players if they are experiencing the same outcomes I am seeing.... Oh wait.
On the side of it being a random chance....dice are random, but I can change those odds too. So what exactly is to stop the devs the from altering the probabilities? The answer is absolutely nothing.
Maybe next time, refrain from responding to a question, about the experiences of other players, with a statement built from a logical premise that you haven't proven. Let alone, arguing that premise like you are someone of importance or even intelligence.
Have a nice day.
I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded. But I base my observations over multiple years of WH life. When I started I lived in a C1, where I kept the best notes. And while I had wild swings of luck on some days, over the period of 6 months that I lived in the C1, my monthly income was remarkably consistent.
And by the way THAT is the point of statistics. You seem to try to slam me for bringing it up as I somehow claim to know how the game works. But statistics has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the analysis of the data. And anyone with half a brain would tell you that your sample size is far too small to glean any useful answers from.
Come back after you've compiled your salvage data for at least a month. |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
186
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:10:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Oh I see, You assume to know for a fact that wormhole salvage is generated absolutely randomly instead of simply set on a counter. That may or may not be true, but since I didn't code the game I'll won't pretend to know the answer. Maybe I'll create a thread asking other players if they are experiencing the same outcomes I am seeing.... Oh wait.
On the side of it being a random chance....dice are random, but I can change those odds too. So what exactly is to stop the devs the from altering the probabilities? The answer is absolutely nothing.
Maybe next time, refrain from responding to a question, about the experiences of other players, with a statement built from a logical premise that you haven't proven. Let alone, arguing that premise like you are someone of importance or even intelligence.
Have a nice day.
1) Search forums for "loot drops less than normal"
2) Find a billion posts
3) realize that loot is random
The variance you're talking about can only occur in lower end wormholes where the melted nano ribbons varying wildly dictate how much money you're making.
I have not noticed any difference in average wormhole drop loot in the 8 months that I have been keeping records (I have an excel sheet to easily track what I sell).
Svo.
CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1912
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:46:00 -
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I've been running C5-6 sites in the same way for 2+ years and the nano drops have always been between 10-40 ribbons per site.
That's a 300% variance so easily explains any sort of fluctuations. |
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
10
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:03:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I've been running C5-6 sites in the same way for 2+ years and the nano drops have always been between 10-40 ribbons per site.
That's a 300% variance so easily explains any sort of fluctuations.
I agree on that. I all differs per site. I once salvaged 10 nano's in 1 site where the next 3 sites didn't had any where the fifth site only gave 2 and the one following also nothing. Where on other times every site gave 4 to 6 nano's per site. It's all random.
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Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp
The Last Chancers.
48
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:24:00 -
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80 sites. What a sample size. |
Dr Agropoly
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:53:00 -
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When you realize how random random really is, you will be amazed.
Some of the best poker players online will have months on end with negative results playing way worse competition, over a big enough sample they will come out on top but randomness can be a cruel mistress.
When several people post the same thing in a thread, they might have a point and sometimes it is valid.
Thinking before turning down people as being stupid actually makes yourself look smarter.
80 is not a big number.
Tin foil is in isle 7.
Just some random facts that might or might not be helpful for you, it all depends on if you take the blue pill or the red pill. |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
145
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:50:00 -
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Lets look at some basic statistics here. You have 9, 10 now counting me, different groups of WHers or day trippers posting in here telling you that you are wrong. OUR loot dorps are currently about the same. Some a little high, some a little low. So to point it out blatantly, you are reta arded.
IF CCP had somehow changed the loot dorps in our salvage, then most of us would be saying things like. "Oh yes I know it sucks. I cant afford those brokaras now. I had to settle for Brynns." Instead we are all rolling up in our tricked out domis with 40 foot spinners blasting rap music telling you that you are just unlucky.
If 7 of us, hell even 5 of us, were telling you we had significantly less nano ribbons, then you might have had a point. But, as usual, you only look at your small sample size and think everyone else's is around the same size, maybe a little bigger. But as all the ladies will confirm, yours is just smaller than ours. |
Tashima
Reconfiguration Nation
Existential Anxiety
11
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:52:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Don't believe something you are told, but have no concrete evidence that it is false. Yep, it's a common thing
Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false?
Because then we all need to start believing in Santa Claus, God and unicorns... |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
145
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:00:00 -
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Tashima wrote:Ordellus wrote:Don't believe something you are told, but have no concrete evidence that it is false. Yep, it's a common thing Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false? Because then we all need to start believing in Santa Claus, God and unicorns...
Wait what? You mean... But oh god. It cant be true. Then the easter bunny isnt real either? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1245
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:31:00 -
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I think the OP might be on to something here. I shot one Sleeper battleship, and it dropped two nanoribbons. Then I shot a second one, and it dropped zero.
http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
288
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:52:00 -
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RANDOM, M**********R!, DO YOU GET IT!? |
Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
11
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:23:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote: I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded.
Actually you are assuming everything, you know absolutely nothing. It's terrific that you've taken notes, but once again and quite simply, if CCP changed something it would all amount to a pile of crap. Much like what's coming out of your mouth. I appreciate the answer of "nope not happening to me, it's random" , but the egotistical crapfest that is everything else can go.
Tashima wrote:Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false?
It's easier to understand when you start looking at what's actually written instead of what you want to be written. If I have no evidence that a thing does not exist, that doesn't mean it exists. Therefor, wtf are you talking about?
Dr Agropoly wrote: being stupid actually makes yourself look smarter.
This seems to be the common mindset for most replies thus far........It's seems in game channels are actually more help than the forums.... I am honestly surprised.
Continue the assumptive rant, please. Just don't expect it to be read.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1399
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:40:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote: I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded. Actually you are assuming everything, you know absolutely nothing. It's terrific that you've taken notes, but once again and quite simply, if CCP changed something it would all amount to a pile of crap. Much like what's coming out of your mouth. I appreciate the answer of "nope not happening to me, it's random" , but the egotistical crapfest that is everything else can go.
You really can't read can you? I am assuming nothing. What I can say is that if I look at a large set of data (say 6 months) the salvage has been very consistent.
I can also cherry pick a very small set of data and certainly find situations that match what you have posted about.
Now MAYBE that means that every short string of bad luck I've had is a case where CCP changed something. Nobody knows. But over time the data indicates that it is far more likely that those bumps in the road are simply a string of bad luck.
Now given that, and the comparisons I have made with others who have lived in wormholes longer than I have, I find it FAR more likely that you are hitting a string of bad luck, than a CCP stealth nerf.
But for you I will also leave this
"Nope, not happening to me, it's random"
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Haulie Berry
809
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:09:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:So you are telling me that the watch setting pattern of salvage I received every day over 80ish sites was completely random, and that the equally exact (but much lower isk wise) pattern for the next 20 sites was also random?
I'm not buying it, but I have no proof either way....
Believe it or not, I can find what you just said, almost verbatim, in EVERY post that has EVER been made about a "stealth" change to a random system (usually invention).
The most consistent feature of these posts is that the OP is never willing to accept the possibility that they might be wrong, no matter how many people disagree with them, and no matter how much math is presented.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2846527#post2846527
Sound familiarish?  |
Priscilla Orti
That ship needs a cap recharger
Situation: Normal
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:33:00 -
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**** it's getting intense in here |
Torshawna
Cold Moon Destruction.
Transmission Lost
28
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:15:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote: I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded. Actually you are assuming everything, you know absolutely nothing. It's terrific that you've taken notes, but once again and quite simply, if CCP changed something it would all amount to a pile of crap. Much like what's coming out of your mouth. I appreciate the answer of "nope not happening to me, it's random" , but the egotistical crapfest that is everything else can go. Tashima wrote:Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false? It's easier to understand when you start looking at what's actually written instead of what you want to be written. If I have no evidence that a thing does not exist, that doesn't mean it exists. Therefor, wtf are you talking about? Dr Agropoly wrote: being stupid actually makes yourself look smarter. This seems to be the common mindset for most replies thus far........It's seems in game channels are actually more help than the forums.... I am honestly surprised. Continue the assumptive rant, please. Just don't expect it to be read.
Keep talking like this in Bob's Holy Temple and he might smite you with his wrath, making your sleeper drops.... (wait for it) .... RANDOM!!! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1399
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:59:00 -
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Priscilla Orti wrote:**** it's getting intense in here
Quit stalking me... |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
Mass Overload
145
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Posted - 2013.05.31 11:52:00 -
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Well, this escalated quickly
CCP please consider hats as a clothing option for our spaceship barbies.-á
Artist impression of what this could potentially be http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t66/ROBC5Z06/sithsig_zps86971c83.jpg |
Tashima
Reconfiguration Nation
Existential Anxiety
13
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:18:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Tashima wrote:Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false? It's easier to understand when you start looking at what's actually written instead of what you want to be written. If I have no evidence that a thing does not exist, that doesn't mean it exists. Therefor, wtf are you talking about?
You still don't get it. Normally one talk about evidence for the existence of something. Talk about "evidence that a thing does not exist" is nonsense.
But you are right, you are just stating the reason why we should not believe in the Easter Bunny. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
102
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:24:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:I think the OP might be on to something here. I shot one Sleeper battleship, and it dropped two nanoribbons. Then I shot a second one, and it dropped zero.
LIES I tell you!! Lies!! I shot one sleeper and nothing dropped. Then I shot a second one and 2 nanoribbons dropped. Not that same so he lies!!
Or could it just be random?? |
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