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Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:37:00 -
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after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back???? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4169
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:40:00 -
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What part of 'If you can fly it now, you can fly it after the patch' dont most people understand.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:40:00 -
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Your misinterpreting the information, and No. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
85
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:40:00 -
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As they have mentioned many times before... If you can fly it now you can fly it after. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
226
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:41:00 -
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ITT: Reading comprehension broken as of forever. |
Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:41:00 -
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Whats that thing the devs have said more times than there are stars in the universe? Something about "if you can fly it now you'll still be able to fly it after the change"? Bah but what do they know? They just program the game. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5284
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:41:00 -
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Oh my god. How many threads has it been? -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1510
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:42:00 -
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No refund on skill changes ever. Train JDC and deal with it. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1867
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:43:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:What part of 'If you can fly it now, you can fly it after the patch' dont most people understand.... Apparently all of it.
What is even more sad is a Nyx pilot that can't understand it. I get the destroyer pilots, and can give the battlecruiser pilots a pass. |
Haulie Berry
810
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:43:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:Whats that thing the devs have said more times than there are stars in the universe? Something about "if you can fly it now you'll still be able to fly it after the change"? Bah but what do they know? They just program the game.
Never before have so many idiots been so utterly confused by a statement that is so unambiguous.
There's a new thread like this every other day.
You'll still be able to get in your Nyx, you're not getting a refund, and your Nyx should be forcibly self-destructed for even asking. |
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Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:47:00 -
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Yes i understand what has been said BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements....
i understand if there was a new prerequisite skill that this wouldn't be required as you have the skill above it in the chain....with supers this doesn't work as the fuel conservation skill was never previously a requirement...and it is not a prerequisite
and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
3715
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:49:00 -
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Jaangel wrote: and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
Have you tried this out on sisi and made sure you can't get back in the ship? Also, I generally drag the skill onto the right in the skill queue. Dunno about you.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3446
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:50:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Yes i understand what has been said BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements....
i understand if there was a new prerequisite skill that this wouldn't be required as you have the skill above it in the chain....with supers this doesn't work as the fuel conservation skill was never previously a requirement...and it is not a prerequisite
and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
The prerequisites for flying the ships are not changing.
The prerequisites for injecting the skills are.
Actually read the goddamn dev blog like everybody else did. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Haulie Berry
810
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:53:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Yes i understand what has been said BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements....
i understand if there was a new prerequisite skill that this wouldn't be required as you have the skill above it in the chain....with supers this doesn't work as the fuel conservation skill was never previously a requirement...and it is not a prerequisite
and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
Maybe you shouldn't worry your pretty little head about the details, and just focus on the statement, "IF YOU CAN FLY IT NOW, YOU CAN FLY IT AFTER."
It doesn't really matter "how" (though "how" was pretty meticulously laid out in the dev blogs about this, not to mention the numerous other threads). |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:54:00 -
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I understand if you can fly it now you can fly it after. My question would be what if the person didnt have SP covered and they lost the ability after being podded? |
Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:54:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Jaangel wrote: and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
Have you tried this out on sisi and made sure you can't get back in the ship? Also, I generally drag the skill onto the right in the skill queue. Dunno about you. -Liang
"BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements...." |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
353
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:57:00 -
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Stupid will always be stupid... Regardless I shall engage in a noble, yet probably pointless, attempt to cure what ails you.
Due to the way nested skill requirements work, you only need to have the skills directly required to fly the ship trained (in this case Capital Ships and Gallente Carrier). Whether or not any nested requirements change will not affect your ability to fly any ships, nor will it affect your ability to train any skills you already have injected. The only problem you might have is if you decide to train up, say, Amarr Carriers - in that case you will have to train all the nested requirements. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice. |
Gustaf Heleneto
The Separatists Double Tap.
10
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:58:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back????
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234
Read it. One third of the way down your concerns are addressed with an example...just before you see a picture of a noobship.
Read it again....understand...
Then say thank you because I just let you suck from my proverbial teet. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
227
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:58:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I understand if you can fly it now you can fly it after. My question would be what if the person didnt have SP covered and they lost the ability after being podded?
Doesn't matter. You can't lose an injected skill for being podded. Retrain and rock on.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
3715
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:58:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:"BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements...."
By dragging skills from the left side of the skill queue window to the right side.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Haulie Berry
810
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:59:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I understand if you can fly it now you can fly it after. My question would be what if the person didnt have SP covered and they lost the ability after being podded?
The worst case scenario would require retraining capital ships and racial carrier to 1. SP loss from podding doesn't remove the skill from the skill list, and if it's been injected, you can train it, so basically the answer to your question is that absolutely nothing interesting would happen in this scenario. |
Danni stark
428
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:59:00 -
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can we not just ban people that make these threads? Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1995
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Oh my god. How many threads has it been?
I've lost count but you can be sure there will be more.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
245
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:59:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Jaangel wrote: and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
Have you tried this out on sisi and made sure you can't get back in the ship? Also, I generally drag the skill onto the right in the skill queue. Dunno about you. -Liang "BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements...." Hot damn you're not very bright.
You can fly it now? IF YES: You can fly it afterwards.
WHY? Because the skills necessary to fly it has not been changed. Now please go on about your day. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Ethereal Dawn
38
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:00:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Jaangel wrote: and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
Have you tried this out on sisi and made sure you can't get back in the ship? Also, I generally drag the skill onto the right in the skill queue. Dunno about you. -Liang "BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements...."
there are levels of skills prereqs. the primary skills are needed to get in the ship, the secondary and tertiary are needed to inject the primary skills. or ya you could look at the dev blog for pictures that will explain it. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
417
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:02:00 -
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OP is a tard. |
ian papabear
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
116
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:04:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back????
you are a scrub for not even having it trained http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNReV76PtqM |
Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:05:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Stupid will always be stupid... Regardless I shall engage in a noble, yet probably pointless, attempt to cure what ails you.
Due to the way nested skill requirements work, you only need to have the skills directly required to fly the ship trained (in this case Capital Ships and Gallente Carrier). Whether or not any nested requirements change will not affect your ability to fly any ships, nor will it affect your ability to train any skills you already have injected. The only problem you might have is if you decide to train up, say, Amarr Carriers - in that case you will have to train all the nested requirements.
Why couldn't this have been the first response since reading ive been back on test server and i get it....Not impressed this works though i want my wasted skill points back.....:( |
THisisanAlt Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:06:00 -
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I got an alt that can fly a super cap, if this said alt get poded will I then not be able to fly super cap with my main?
My main got command ship trained, but if my main get poded I wont be able to fly command ship on my alt?
Bullocks! |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
385
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:06:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back???? Am I the only one wondering what they're doing in a Nyx if they haven't even trained basic jump skills? Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
417
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:06:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:
Why couldn't this have been the first response since reading ive been back on test server and i get it....Not impressed this works though i want my wasted skill points back.....:(
Confirming OP is a tard. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
417
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:07:00 -
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THisisanAlt Mieyli wrote:I got an alt that can fly a super cap, if this said alt get poded will I then not be able to fly super cap with my main?
My main got command ship trained, but if my main get poded I wont be able to fly command ship on my alt?
Bullocks!
Is the skill still injected?
Can you train any injected skills? |
Haulie Berry
810
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:08:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:Stupid will always be stupid... Regardless I shall engage in a noble, yet probably pointless, attempt to cure what ails you.
Due to the way nested skill requirements work, you only need to have the skills directly required to fly the ship trained (in this case Capital Ships and Gallente Carrier). Whether or not any nested requirements change will not affect your ability to fly any ships, nor will it affect your ability to train any skills you already have injected. The only problem you might have is if you decide to train up, say, Amarr Carriers - in that case you will have to train all the nested requirements. Why couldn't this have been the first response since reading ive been back on test server and i get it
Because despite the fact that it was very clearly explained in a dev blog and multiple other threads, you had to ask... again. Nobody has the patience to be polite about this stupid, stupid question anymore.
Quote:....Not impressed this works though i want my wasted skill points back.....:(
They're not wasted. They allow you to fly a battleship.
If you don't want to fly a battleship, that's a personal problem, and not the skill's fault. |
I Need PLEX
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:08:00 -
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Scrubs still use holding chars in the Year of Our Lord MMXIII ?? |
THisisanAlt Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:11:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:THisisanAlt Mieyli wrote:I got an alt that can fly a super cap, if this said alt get poded will I then not be able to fly super cap with my main?
My main got command ship trained, but if my main get poded I wont be able to fly command ship on my alt?
Bullocks! Is the skill still injected? Can you train any injected skills?
The skill is injected on my alt but my main got the other skiill, so I'm afraid they can't fly the ships as none of them got any of the skills injected as I want my alt to fly command ships and my main to fly super caps. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
120
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:14:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Why couldn't this have been the first response since reading ive been back on test server and i get it....
People get tired of explaining the most simple and basic things again and again.
Quote:Not impressed this works though i want my wasted skill points back.....:(
How are the skill points wasted? Have all battleships been removed from the game?
I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!" |
Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:15:00 -
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Turelus wrote:Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back???? Am I the only one wondering what they're doing in a Nyx if they haven't even trained basic jump skills?
Basic Jump skill op 5 cons 4 jf 0 i can aford the extra fuel.... |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2053
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:21:00 -
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ITT much palming of faces.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8047
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:23:00 -
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All jump skills at 5 upper-class checking in Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1477
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:26:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:What part of 'If you can fly it now, you can fly it after the patch' dont most people understand.... I have no idea, but it's actually starting to become aggravating. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1477
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:31:00 -
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Turelus wrote:Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back???? Am I the only one wondering what they're doing in a Nyx if they haven't even trained basic jump skills?
No, you're not. Someone id his super pilot alt for us. I'm sure we can come together as a community and help to remove the source of the OP's consternation in true Eve fashion. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Danni stark
429
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:32:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Turelus wrote:Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
are they going to refund my BS 5 and 4 and give me the skill points back???? Am I the only one wondering what they're doing in a Nyx if they haven't even trained basic jump skills? No, you're not. Someone id his super pilot alt for us. I'm sure we can come together as a community and help to remove the source of the OP's consternation in true Eve fashion.
no nyx? no problem.
i like the thinking. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Angelhunter
Conquering Darkness
17
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:34:00 -
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Wow, are you serious OP? This is just further proof there are too many Supers in the game when people like this are allowed to fly them. Please SD the ship so we have one less in the game. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
417
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:All jump skills at 5 upper-class checking in
We can't all be as good as you... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8048
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:49:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Andski wrote:All jump skills at 5 upper-class checking in We can't all be as good as you...
To be fair I have them on one character, but my other two capital characters have JDC V and JFC 4 so it's alright Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5285
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:57:00 -
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I'm not even going to sit in my carrier until I have JDC V and JFC IV. JDC V is an alliance requirement for capital ops anyway. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1149
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:59:00 -
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No |
Khadi Nakrar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:18:00 -
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the fail is strong in this one....
i guess he bought the character |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1871
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:21:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Yes i understand what has been said BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements....
Read CCP Fozzie's post. It specifically addresses sitters: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2599446#post2599446
CCP Fozzie wrote:As mentioned above, no skills will be given in these cases, you simply will be able to use the ship as you could before. You'll notice that each skill category (primary, secondary, so on) has a skill at the top, and then requirements to train that skill below it. The only skills the ship cares about are the ones at the top of each category, it completely ignores everything else.
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
75
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:07:00 -
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Khadi Nakrar wrote:the fail is strong in this one....
i guess he bought the character
Must be...i hope so. |
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Liltha
Lost My Way Enterprises
9
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:19:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Yes i understand what has been said BUT how because i wont have the skill requirements....
i understand if there was a new prerequisite skill that this wouldn't be required as you have the skill above it in the chain....with supers this doesn't work as the fuel conservation skill was never previously a requirement...and it is not a prerequisite
and to the idiots who are saying 'Train the skill' i already am as unlike you i am not completely ********....BUT this doesnt change the question which is how???
The only true requirement for flying a ship normally is the actual ship skill. What is changing are the skills needed to train that skill.
At least that's how I understand it. I could always be wrong, I never paid that much attention. |
Bane Veradun
Band of Blobbers
23
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:26:00 -
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I lol'd...6/10 A lion that needs his prey to lay down in front of him, is no lion at all. He's a pet. |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:48:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:after the patch my nyx holding alt wont be able to get in and out of the ship due to lacking the jump fuel conservation skill....But i no longer require BS 5.
Either
a) learn how the game and changes will work (ie no changes to you) b) buy a less a less rubbish holding alt c) sell your super and leave the game as some as dumb as you shouldn't be playing eve |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:53:00 -
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Mathrin wrote:As they have mentioned many times before... If you can fly it now you can fly it after.
Right now I am giving CCP benefit of the doubt & assuming if I can fly it now I will be able to fly it later. Come the 4th & I am able to fly all my ships OK I'm be first to say GJ CCP if I say can't fly say my command ships due to not trainning all warefare's to V I'll be angry until theres a fix that doesn't require 30 days of training An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
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