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Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 68	Posted - 2011.11.05 16:27:00 - [1] - Quote The CSM need to focus on particular issues in order to get elected. People vote for candidates because they offer solutions to specific issues, not because of vague hand-wringing about general areas of the game. This focus serves the candidates well because CCP have a history of expending their limited resources on particular areas of the game. When this batch of CSM's pet issues is fixed, a new group will be elected that has different pet issues. They can then try to get CCP to work on those. If you as a high-sec dweller feel that your particular issues are not being addressed, you should probably find a candidate whose pet issues reflect your views, and vote for them next time. Engaging in feckless attacks against elected officials or the institution of the CSM is entirely the wrong approach. It is also generally more reflective of antipathy toward particular members of the committee, or toward null-sec players in general. The worst is a short-sighted belief that any attempt to fix null-sec/low-sec/w-space somehow makes high-sec worse. This is even more hypocritical in the case of players that did not vote in the previous election. Work within the system to effect change, rather than destroying the only direct means of influence that players have over CCP. This company needs to hear things to their face, not read the results of gerrymandered polls.
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 68	Posted - 2011.11.05 17:28:00 - [2] - Quote Angel Lust wrote: Remove the CSM Supporting statements?
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 72	Posted - 2011.11.07 17:39:00 - [3] - Quote Kire Moshiko wrote: No voting system is truly democratic without the option to reject all, call for new candidates and a new vote. Not all democracies are parliamentary. In other news, I'm getting the distinct impression that you dislike the CSM because CCP is treating it as a hiring pool instead of hiring people with a BA in "game design" as though those are worth the paper they're printed on.
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 72	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:12:00 - [4] - Quote Zagdul wrote: When the CSM runs there should be cabinets that need filling then general elections for "popular vote". Maybe 4 seats to represent a specific area, then 4 for general "leadership" for people like Trebor, The Mittani and others who have done well pushing for development of EVE. That's dumb; you're dumb. In practice candidates already self-identify with various areas of the game. It's just that the high-sec players are so disengaged and disorganized that they have trouble getting a candidate elected. This is partially because of the casual nature of most (though by no means all) high sec players, and partially because most high-sec players don't vote in real life, let alone for a video game election.
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 73	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:20:00 - [5] - Quote I can't think of any good way to ensure that a plurality of gameplay styles is elected, without somehow getting the completely disengaged, generally uninformed high-sec players to somehow do a 180 and start voting. That can happen, it's just not easy. People complaining about the CSM being slanted toward null-sec are in effect complaining that it's too hard to beat them. EVE University is a high-sec organization that will almost certainly get a candidate elected this upcoming election cycle, and though I doubt I will agree with all of their viewpoints, at least I feel sure that their opinions will not all be hyperbolic crap.
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 73	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:39:00 - [6] - Quote How about you answer his question instead of changing subjects and talking past him?
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 76	Posted - 2011.11.08 00:12:00 - [7] - Quote Don't you get it, man? He's, like, against the inherent tyranny of representational democracy. Whoa!
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 76	Posted - 2011.11.08 00:13:00 - [8] - Quote Kire Moshiko wrote: if 85% of the playerbase isn't voting, it's because none of the candidates on offer make them want to, either because they have no contact or connection with those people (which makes them bad representatives) or because they simply are not wanted (which still makes them bad representatives). The reason nobody voted is because most high-sec players are goof balls that don't read the forums, don't think the CSM matters, don't know much about eve game mechanics aside from their very limited fields of interest, and only sometimes read the eve news as they log in. They don't vote in real life, let alone in a video game. They're casual beyond caring, and effectively amateurs at EVE. By contrast, all of the CSM candidates up there right now have experienced wide swaths of the game and have a much more holistic view of the game than you give them credit for.
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 76	Posted - 2011.11.08 01:19:00 - [9] - Quote Kire Moshiko wrote: As I said repeatedly in my previous posts, they pushed CCP's attention onto irrelevant things. Like what? None of us has any clue what has you mad other than the implementation of a basic democracy.
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 76	Posted - 2011.11.08 01:34:00 - [10] - Quote Okay, so you're mad about nothing. Why didn't you just say so?
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 76	Posted - 2011.11.08 01:38:00 - [11] - Quote Kire Moshiko wrote: All those wonderful things that you think the CSM has done have, in my opinion, been horrendously bad business moves rooted in fanaticism and hysteria. Yet you can't actually cite a single example of this despite a page of people asking for it. How curious!
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 77	Posted - 2011.11.08 02:04:00 - [12] - Quote Kire Moshiko wrote: List of CSM Resolved Issues The above is the list of items the CSMs have brought to fruition. As stated in my previous post, the number of those issues I personally care about is 2. The number of them I think needed the intervention of a CSM is 0. What are the two issues you care about? What are the issues that are not on that list that you care about?
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2011.11.08 15:27:00 - [13] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Specificity is a good thing in discussions like this. We literally went through a whole page without getting an answer. I did get some guff about defaulting to the masculine gender on these 99% male forums, though. That's something, right? Right?

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