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Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:48:00 -
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Which tech 1 battleship will have large energy turret bonus(es) and cost less than 100 million ISK after Odyssey launches? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1155
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:55:00 -
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which battleship will cost less than 150 million ISK in odyssey?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:59:00 -
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Is tiericide supposed to make it more expensive to get into one's first battleship? |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:04:00 -
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Tiericide is suppoded to make the battle ships equal yet different.
its not there to give ppl a starter battleship. |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
805
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:15:00 -
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If you can't afford your first battleship you shouldn't fly it anyway.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:26:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:Tiericide is suppoded to make the battle ships equal yet different.
its not there to give ppl a starter battleship.
Okay, but how is Tiericide intended to affect the low end of battleship prices, then? I haven't seen any hard data on production cost changes.
Isn't it good for the economy for there to be battleships which relatively new players feel are worth risking the loss of? |
Atlas Arnst
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:30:00 -
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The closest thing to a "starter" battleship in Odyssey would probably be the Typhoon or Armageddon, none of the battleships will cost less than 120 million ISK after Oydssey. |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly
153
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:37:00 -
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For laser BS an Apoc I guess since the Armageddon is switching to missiles. Dunno if the new Abadon is a good starter. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
256
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:41:00 -
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apoc would fit what the op wants most closely.
Though still wouldnt fly it if you are a newbie. |
Atlas Arnst
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:26:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:apoc would fit what the op wants most closely.
Though still wouldnt fly it if you are a newbie. You shouldn't fly any battleships if you're a newbie, you'll just be blown up and 200 million ISK poorer than you were before. |
Haulie Berry
840
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:35:00 -
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Adam Zalonis wrote:Nimrod vanHall wrote:Tiericide is suppoded to make the battle ships equal yet different.
its not there to give ppl a starter battleship. Okay, but how is Tiericide intended to affect the low end of battleship prices, then? I haven't seen any hard data on production cost changes.
It's going to bring them up. Present day Tier 1 battleships will be getting significantly more expensive. Present day tier 2 battleships will be getting somewhat more expensive. If you need specifics, the new material requirements are listed on BPs on SiSi.
Quote:Isn't it good for the economy for there to be battleships which relatively new players feel are worth risking the loss of?
No. |
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:57:00 -
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Why is that? |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
284
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:24:00 -
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Because newer players are supposed to learn in small ships first, then slowly progress up the ranks until the eventually have sufficient support skills to properly commandeer a battleship. A battleship should be seen as a long term goal to skill into, about a year, rather than a 3 month bomb rush to get into
As to which BS will cost less than 100 mill? None. Maybe the odd scorpion here and there, but I expect the average cost to sit around 175-250mill isk, which I love because every time I see a >6 month old toon in a BS I start spamming "invite to duel"  and the price increase should keep newer players out of them, unless they plex for it.
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:35:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Because newer players are supposed to learn in small ships first, then slowly progress up the ranks until the eventually have sufficient support skills to properly commandeer a battleship. A battleship should be seen as a long term goal to skill into, about a year, rather than a 3 month bomb rush to get into As to which BS will cost less than 100 mill? None. Maybe the odd scorpion here and there, but I expect the average cost to sit around 175-250mill isk, which I love because every time I see a >6 month old toon in a BS I start spamming "invite to duel" and the price increase should keep newer players out of them, unless they plex for it.
You answered a question I wasn't asking.
Combining my question, Haulie Berry's response, and my follow up of "Why is that?" we get the following:
"Why Isn't it good for the economy for there to be battleships which relatively new players feel are worth risking the loss of?"
I am asking specifically about the economy.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1337
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:03:00 -
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Adam Zalonis wrote:Which tech 1 battleship will have large energy turret bonus(es) and cost less than 100 million ISK after Odyssey launches?
PVE or PVP? (Not addressing the cost issue, since I'm not familiar with the new material reqs for BS hulls)
PVE, just about any of them. Open up EFT, load your toon's profile, and take a look based on your skills.
PVP? If you're a noob, don't bother. You'll die. You're not ready.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1155
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:49:00 -
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Adam Zalonis wrote:"Why Isn't it good for the economy for there to be battleships which relatively new players feel are worth risking the loss of?"
over the last week, there were several battles in the south in the process of which about a trillion ISK in ships was burned. yet the markets have barely reacted, if at all. do you really think the occasional newbie losing one or two battleships will have any effect at all? it's like wondering about the effect of a bucket of ice cubes on a volcano eruption.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
108
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Posted - 2013.06.01 00:14:00 -
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I might be possible that scorps will be that low for a while if mineral prices tank, but that assumes that NS miners will be providing a increased amount of low end minerals. I expect BS prices to spike up then fall a bit. Hopefully all my scorps sell 1st...
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
1023
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Posted - 2013.06.01 00:57:00 -
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You seem new, so I will tell you the most important thing you need to know.
If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it.
Afford to lose it meaning you could lose the ship and it's fitting entirely, and still have enough to buy it back with enough cash left to spare.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
112
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:01:00 -
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No battle ships is for starters, why dont you try an assault frigate instead |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
2538
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:15:00 -
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Adam Zalonis wrote:You answered a question I wasn't asking.
Combining my question, Haulie Berry's response, and my follow up of "Why is that?" we get the following:
"Why Isn't it good for the economy for there to be battleships which relatively new players feel are worth risking the loss of?"
I am asking specifically about the economy.
It isn't just because of the economy that CCP is making battleships more expensive (though, that is a large part of it).
- economically it has something to to with battleships being one of the larger and more steady mineral drains in the game (someone might want to fact check me on this)
- balance-wise you are supposed to pay exponentially more for linear upgrades in performance.
- this "throttles" newer, poorer players from jumping into something that they may not be equipped (SP and knowledge-wise) to fly.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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