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Fuzeu
Nuclear Aperture Science
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Posted - 2013.06.01 00:53:00 -
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Starting out in PvP in Caldari Frigates, and looking loadout suggestions; But read below first!!
I am only looking for fits for Condor and Kestrel. I dont want to hear about the Merlin or other turret based ships as i am well along the missile skill tree(Level 5 Rockets, Level 3 in every support skill with level 4 before the end of the coming month). And NO i will not consider changing my mind.
Also keep in mind that this is NOT for solo pvp, so loadouts meant for 1v1 skirmishes with other frigates are useless to me. As are loadouts using light missiles rather than rockets.
No trolling please. |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1525
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:06:00 -
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http://www.evealtruist.com/2012/10/what-to-fit-slasher-and-condor.html
that's the first link i get googling "condor small gang fits" ... not sure if much has changed since, but might get you a starting point. With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
112
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:10:00 -
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The Hawk is one of the best pvp frigate in the game for encountering other frigates it eats Dramiels for a living.
Ligth missiles are like railguns, they are made to be put onto long range ships that can Kite and point there enemy from afar from all i know.
So you are training for T2 rockets without being able to fly a Hawk?...... or any T2 ships from my awesome mind reading skills i can tell, i am here to inform you that T2 anything in the missile class sucks and you should consider training it last, train all support skills level 4 - 5... |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
646
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:16:00 -
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First off, don't discount missiles. The kestrel does not have a strong tank. Being able to stay out of range while still contributing DPS and ewar will assist any gank. And if you are squishy, you may be primaried early and not get to enjoy any camp or roam.
Sniper:
High 4 Light Missile Launcher 2
Mid 2 Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor 1 Sensor Booster 2 1 Limited 1 MN Microwarpdrive
Lows Ballistic control 2 Nano Fiber Internal structure 2
Rigs 2 Small hydraulic Bay Thruster 1 Small bay loading accellerator
You can hit out to about 80km with good skills and provide some ewar.
For rockets, one option:
General Combat High 4 Rocket Launcher 2s
Mid 1 Limited 1 MN Microwarpdrive Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Lows Ballistic control 2 Damage Control 2
Rigs 1 Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer 2 Small Core Defense Field Extender
You could swap out point and web for some shield harders, but may need a CPU implant at that point.
Oh and look at the Vengence if you want an assault frig that uses rockets. |

Fuzeu
Nuclear Aperture Science
1
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:21:00 -
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Yeah i'm pretty sure i said Condor/Kestrel and no Light Missiles. Kthxbye. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
646
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:29:00 -
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Fuzeu wrote:Yeah i'm pretty sure i said Condor/Kestrel and no Light Missiles. Kthxbye.
And I posted a rocket fit kestrel. I also offered a sniper showing that light missiles are worth it. Obviously, you don't want to read. |

Taoist Dragon
No.1 Crazy Fighter Squadron Caldari State Capturing
448
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:28:00 -
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OP asks for advice then gives all the limitations of the specific ships/fits he's looking at.
LOL
looks like you don't want advice but someone to blow fluff at you and say what you are currently doing is the best way to do things.
Take the advice given with a bit of humility and you'll get much more out of questions like these. That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.
We are recruiting CrAzY Pilots https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235985&find=unread |

Cable Udan
The Tuskers
220
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Posted - 2013.06.01 05:57:00 -
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>OP says he's well along the missile skill tree >only has IIIs in support skills and Rockets at V >wut
Also if you didn't reply to people like an asshat you'd get better responses.
Here, have a Vengeance fit. It uses rockets, not light missiles!
[Vengeance, Dual Rep SAAR/C-type]
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 100
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket [Empty High slot]
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/ My Pirate Blog |

Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
217
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:44:00 -
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OP is a tool, don't bother helping him. |

Fuzeu
Nuclear Aperture Science
1
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:16:00 -
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I can sense the maturity in the air [sarcasm]. When someone asks a question and says that they dont want a particular line of information; you dont respond with that line of information and expect to get a positive response. Doing so proves how poor of judgement you have.
Simply put, i dont have time to read through useless posts offering information that i dont need or want. You had the time to post a response to my question; you may as well have answered with useful information instead of wasting both of our time. |
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Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
972
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:30:00 -
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Fuzeu wrote:Doing so proves how poor of judgement you have. Ironic, considering you think people are here for your amusement. Show some gratitude, get over yourself and stop being a jerk. No one owes you anything. Oh god. |

Cable Udan
The Tuskers
222
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:30:00 -
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Fuzeu wrote:I can sense the maturity in the air [sarcasm]. When someone asks a question and says that they dont want a particular line of information; you dont respond with that line of information and expect to get a positive response. Doing so proves how poor of judgement you have.
Simply put, i dont have time to read through useless posts offering information that i dont need or want. You had the time to post a response to my question; you may as well have answered with useful information instead of wasting both of our time.
Edit: A good example of a proper response to a question is post #2. Thanks.
Art thou enraged, sibling? http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/ My Pirate Blog |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
960
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Posted - 2013.06.01 14:08:00 -
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Edit: Noticed OP being a **** above so i take back my advice. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Kubla-Kahn
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.06.01 14:59:00 -
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OP, first rule in Eve, don't be a douche on the forums - people here make a living of being a far bigger Dicks than you can even aspire to.
Second rule of Eve, if you think that shoehorning yourself into a "I fly this, don't tell me its bad or I'm bad", go back to rule #1 and consdier that others here might have more experience and thus provide you real tested valuable advice.
That said, if you are set on Rockets and those ships - only consider the Kessy - Condor is a range based light missile ship and will die horribly up close with Rocets.
The Kessy can work pretty well up close with various configs, but my favorite is;
Highs - Rockets
Mids - AB/MWD (your choice depending on location and tactic), scram, 2 webs or web/TD
Lows - 200mm plate, DCU
Rigs - Bay loading ACC, Calf cat
Next he will say, "don't tell me to fit armor, I only fit shields"
Otherwise, use the Condor with Light missiles and kite out at range like everyone else does successfully. |

Fuzeu
Nuclear Aperture Science
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:46:00 -
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Kiting does not work for this gang scheme primarily; i am choosing to use Condor/Kestrel despite the existence of better ships because i do not have time to change my weapon specialization(i.e adding projectile weapons to my area of expertise)because i am 'fitting' this into my PVE focus as a sort of favor.
@Kubla Why would i say no armor? It wasn't in the original post, pointing out that i didn't want it. I asked for specifics because i already KNOW for a FACT that their are effective brawler builds for these two ships using rockets. I only came to these forums to get THOSE loadouts; not an insulting suggestion that i am an idiot for not using a hawk or that i should dump what i am doing and use light missiles. If i needed that kind of advice a google search brings up hundreds of those kinds of comments. Why would i ask for it on here.
Bottom line: Your all trolls.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
646
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:11:00 -
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Fuzeu wrote:Kiting does not work for this gang scheme primarily; i am choosing to use Condor/Kestrel despite the existence of better ships because i do not have time to change my weapon specialization(i.e adding projectile weapons to my area of expertise)because i am 'fitting' this into my PVE focus as a sort of favor.
@Kubla Why would i say no armor? It wasn't in the original post, pointing out that i didn't want it. I asked for specifics because i already KNOW for a FACT that their are effective brawler builds for these two ships using rockets. I only came to these forums to get THOSE loadouts; not an insulting suggestion that i am an idiot for not using a hawk or that i should dump what i am doing and use light missiles. If i needed that kind of advice a google search brings up hundreds of those kinds of comments. Why would i ask for it on here.
Bottom line: Your all trolls.
I posted a perfectly good rocket kestrel fit with decent tank and high damage. Too bad you could bother to read more than a sentence or two. Given your general attitude, you must be such a joy to fly with in a gang. Do you complain as much to them when they offer advice or have you already alienated them so much they refused to help? Either good luck, you'll need it. |

Fuzeu
Nuclear Aperture Science
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:31:00 -
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Yes you posted a perfectly fine rocket fit, after you posted a light missile fit which i specifically asked not to receive. Why would i read your post when the first thing you respond with is something i stated i didn't want? You may have all day and night to waste on forum posts and video games; but i do not. And with that i bid you adeu; i made my own fit no thanks to eve community forums(as expected). |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
966
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:42:00 -
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You have to be one of the single most unpleasant people i've seen post on these forums..
Well done, that is actually quite an achievement. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
217
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:46:00 -
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Fuzeu wrote:Yes you posted a perfectly fine rocket fit, after you posted a light missile fit which i specifically asked not to receive. Why would i read your post when the first thing you respond with is something i stated i didn't want? You may have all day and night to waste on forum posts and video games; but i do not. And with that i bid you adeu; i made my own fit no thanks to eve community forums(as expected).
Good for you, in future just make fits/get advice on your own and don't bother posting on these forums if you're going to act like a massive tool, nobody wants you here just as much as you don't want to be here. It'll be doing everyone a favor including yourself. |

Taoist Dragon
No.1 Crazy Fighter Squadron Caldari State Capturing
449
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:29:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:You have to be one of the single most unpleasant people i've seen post on these forums..
Well done, that is actually quite an achievement.
DAMN! I'm gonna have to try harder to get that trophy back now that Garv has given it to this numbnutz! That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.
We are recruiting CrAzY Pilots https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235985&find=unread |
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Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:40:00 -
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OP, have you considered a Merlin?
I hear they are quite dandy since the small hybrids buff. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:07:00 -
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Oh, never mind. I just saw the rest of your post and you don't want a Merlin fit.
Here's a good option: http://bit.ly/19ymCfG
To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
15
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:30:00 -
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OP, you are an idiot.
Having said that, here are two loadouts that might be helpful. Cheers.
[Condor, me Condor you long time...]
Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
This is a tackler. You have a defensive web + neut against tacklers and rockets against drones. Do not use this for DPS. Do not use Condors as brawlers. And LM kiter Condors are better.
[Kestrel, rocket bonanza slowboat]
Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
This is a brawler. Remember to kill your MWD when you catch something. Only use rage rockets against bigger or immobile ships. |

Zappity
Kurved Space
108
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:34:00 -
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Why oh why doesn't this forum have a dislike button? Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |

W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
84
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:44:00 -
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Fly with light missile launchers. Rockets are bad. |

Halete
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
883
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Posted - 2013.06.03 10:20:00 -
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Remember, folks: OP will only accept ROCKET FIT CALDARI FRIGATES.
With that in mind, I encourage everybody to counter-ship accordingly if they run into his gang. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 |

Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
178
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:40:00 -
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For short-range rocket brawlers, a Caldari Navy Hookbill might actually work. Five mids for good tank and tackle (often you'll find scram/double-web setups), missile/rocket bonuses that hit nice and hard, and pretty good speed (that will get nerfed a bit in Odyssey).
A rocket brawler needs to be able to tackle its target and keep it close, and webs help with preventing the target from speed-tanking the rocket damage. The Kestrel isn't quite as well suited to that sort of combat, with one fewer mid-slot than the Hookbill. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
977
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:50:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:For short-range rocket brawlers, a Caldari Navy Hookbill might actually work. Five mids for good tank and tackle (often you'll find scram/double-web setups), missile/rocket bonuses that hit nice and hard, and pretty good speed (that will get nerfed a bit in Odyssey).
A rocket brawler needs to be able to tackle its target and keep it close, and webs help with preventing the target from speed-tanking the rocket damage. The Kestrel isn't quite as well suited to that sort of combat, with one fewer mid-slot than the Hookbill.
Both the Kestrel and the Hookbill are really good rocket brawlers... BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:05:00 -
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Best advice: ask around in corp, your CEO obviously knows his Caldari rocket pvp.... It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |

Kahali Tao
Bareback Pornstars Carthage Empires
0
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:57:00 -
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Nice to see someone popped this guy http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19773161 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19773160
If your going to ask for help on a public message board, try to be a little nicer |
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