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thygod hobnob
Immoral Space Kaisers
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:28:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:thygod hobnob wrote:Well to be honest I wouldn't think the changes where that bad or didn't till this rolled into osmon http://imgur.com/FrFMAhL that is the local clusterfvck that eats all the roids in sight. Im trying to mine a few loads aday to fuel my pos and cant get that due to them so now my time is getting spent on making 1 bill isk ready for a fleet to suicide gank em :) I like your style and if you ever do the talk it proves the current system is full of win. A war between miners in highsec over ice ... damn!
Oh it will be done will just take me some time to make sure it is done in a way that will make a point i aint got much els to be spending my isk on :) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
15893
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:35:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Seen they were limiting the Ice anomalies to 2500 units in high sec before the anomaly expires. That sure is going to cause a lot of whinage here on the forums with ice being that limited, he he he. Halving the harvesters cycle times, plus lots of miners (I usually notice on average 60 miners in high sec ice belts) in the anomalies trying to vie for their piece of the pie, means those anomalies should expire quite quickly. Might just pop me some popcorn and go hang out, watch what happens. Could be quite entertaining.
No problems out where I am. At all. Plenty of Ice. You think Ice Miners are going to shoot the competition out of business ? Yeah right.
You will get a rather boring show. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9990
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:45:00 -
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Bimbi Norris wrote:I wonder how long it will take High Sec Ice Mining Corps to incorporate squads of "insert gankship name here" into their Corp structure, sitting in the system station ready to "gank" competition as they arrive on the ice grid lol
I'd like to think that the smart ones already have, or have at least started preparing along those lines.
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Dave Stark
3135
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:47:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Bimbi Norris wrote:I wonder how long it will take High Sec Ice Mining Corps to incorporate squads of "insert gankship name here" into their Corp structure, sitting in the system station ready to "gank" competition as they arrive on the ice grid lol I'd like to think that the smart ones already have, or have at least started preparing along those lines.
i doubt it, i can't see how the security loss of repeatedly ganking miners outweighs just training another miner and mining the ice out from under them. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
15894
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:51:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Bimbi Norris wrote:I wonder how long it will take High Sec Ice Mining Corps to incorporate squads of "insert gankship name here" into their Corp structure, sitting in the system station ready to "gank" competition as they arrive on the ice grid lol I'd like to think that the smart ones already have, or have at least started preparing along those lines. i doubt it, i can't see how the security loss of repeatedly ganking miners outweighs just training another miner and mining the ice out from under them.
Indeed this is an aspect of the game won by overwhelming numbers, not guns. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Bimbi Norris wrote:I wonder how long it will take High Sec Ice Mining Corps to incorporate squads of "insert gankship name here" into their Corp structure, sitting in the system station ready to "gank" competition as they arrive on the ice grid lol I'd like to think that the smart ones already have, or have at least started preparing along those lines.
Why would High Sec Industrial Corps suddenly go to war with each other when for the past 10 years it has been mostly cooperative play? This has never been a group that rocks the boat with other players.
Outside of Caldari Space, especially within 10 jumps from Jita, there is plenty of Ice, and if one misses out, it's not long till a re-spawn anyway. And anytime after 1800 Peak Time there is hardly anyone Ice Mining anyway. |
Dave Stark
3136
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:56:00 -
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besides, what happens when you gank them? they warp in 30 seconds later in a new ship. while you're waiting out your criminal flag, however long that is... ganking them doesn't *stop* them, it just costs them a bit of isk, which they don't care about because they're mining all that ice you're not mining while you're waiting out your criminal flag. |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:37:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Seen they were limiting the Ice anomalies to 2500 units in high sec before the anomaly expires. That sure is going to cause a lot of whinage here on the forums with ice being that limited, he he he. Halving the harvesters cycle times, plus lots of miners (I usually notice on average 60 miners in high sec ice belts) in the anomalies trying to vie for their piece of the pie, means those anomalies should expire quite quickly. Might just pop me some popcorn and go hang out, watch what happens. Could be quite entertaining. The best part of this change is it's going to wreak havoc on botter's income. Also, congrats to those who stocked up on ice product before Odyssey... you are gonna make yourselves some nice ISK off the ice.
100% agree i want to laugh it up at how much money ccp loses with the mass canceling of those accounts. I am almost 100% certain this change will result in eve becoming a FTP game
When dude with 20 accounts cant mine ice anymore guess what he will cancel all of them Now multiply that by 1000x I applaud ccp at trying to address the problem but its far to late now they ignored it for way too long.
I hope ccp can live on 20% less income that's my bet for account lost in this change. Login are high right now as always with any expac give this change 3 months and i bet there under 20k again as most of the afk and bot miners will have quit
I guess ccp is going to learn a good lesson you can do the right thing and still finish last |
Dave Stark
3136
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:45:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:When dude with 20 accounts cant mine ice anymore guess what he will cancel all of them
i disagree. players like that are the ones who, at the moment, own the ice belts. they turn up and strip them clean in less than an hour. for them this change isn't so bad. they are making huge amounts of isk/hour from it.
the people who will cancel accounts are players like me with say, 3-5 accounts. it's simply not viable to compete with players running 20 accounts. you either accept that your slice of the cake is smaller post odyssey or you diversify. personally i've chosen to diversify.
however yeah, i can see people dropping their 2nd/3rd miner's accounts, and possibly even their orca pilot's accounts. that won't bode well but i'm sure it won't be as bad as eve going free to play. |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:xavier69 wrote:When dude with 20 accounts cant mine ice anymore guess what he will cancel all of them i disagree. players like that are the ones who, at the moment, own the ice belts. they turn up and strip them clean in less than an hour. for them this change isn't so bad. they are making huge amounts of isk/hour from it. the people who will cancel accounts are players like me with say, 3-5 accounts. it's simply not viable to compete with players running 20 accounts. you either accept that your slice of the cake is smaller post odyssey or you diversify. personally i've chosen to diversify. however yeah, i can see people dropping their 2nd/3rd miner's accounts, and possibly even their orca pilot's accounts. that won't bode well but i'm sure it won't be as bad as eve going free to play.
what your not getting is there are many players with 20 accounts i would say one ice belt in empire might support 2 of these players the rest are going to cancel |
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Selene Nask
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:05:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:xavier69 wrote:When dude with 20 accounts cant mine ice anymore guess what he will cancel all of them i disagree. players like that are the ones who, at the moment, own the ice belts. they turn up and strip them clean in less than an hour. for them this change isn't so bad. they are making huge amounts of isk/hour from it. the people who will cancel accounts are players like me with say, 3-5 accounts. it's simply not viable to compete with players running 20 accounts. you either accept that your slice of the cake is smaller post odyssey or you diversify. personally i've chosen to diversify. however yeah, i can see people dropping their 2nd/3rd miner's accounts, and possibly even their orca pilot's accounts. that won't bode well but i'm sure it won't be as bad as eve going free to play. There are many players with 20+ accounts I would say one ice belt in empire might support 2 of these players the rest are going to get little to no ice and will cancel i have been watching this change closely, about 40 players or 2 squads can take down a belt in less than 1.5 hours it then takes another 4 hours to re-spawn. during that time anyone who logs on to mine is SOL that mechanic will = account cancels
I've been watching too as well as checking out ice belt anoms as I come across them while exploring. They not all getting mined out in 1.5 hours. In one system two ice belts were there for over 5 hours. Last night I came across a system with a whole three ships mining the anom.
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xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:08:00 -
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Granted eve is a game that fudges its economy to make it work, this change gives ccp another mechanic to control the economy. CCP can easily scale ice by increasing often belt spawn or amount of ice that spawns in the belt. In the end the only rational explanation for this change ccp wants control of this resource and the ability to tweak or fudge the books to keep the economy from crashing. I have feeling if the prices go above what ccp economists wanted they will increase how much ice we get for now its seems they want to dwindle the stock piles people have and stop the price of ice from falling anymore as the demand plummets |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:27:00 -
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The ice mining changes have brought about a profound and wholly unexpected change which is little discussed. Sometimes the miners now talk to each other in local! previosuly whole days would pass with over 9000 miners mining the ice in silence. |
Dave Stark
3139
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:29:00 -
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i've been ice mining and i still haven't spoken to any one. although i have laughed at the guy asking for boosts in local.
this isn't inferno any more. |
Karzie
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:31:00 -
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I personally was looking forward to dual training with money made from ice mining, now that isn't possible and I am thinking about dropping my ice miners, BPO researcher and indy characters and using the rest for pve, pi, and mining
might even have to sell my Silver Shore overcoat and monocle |
Dave Stark
3139
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:33:00 -
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Karzie wrote:I personally was looking forward to dual training with money made from ice mining, now that isn't possible and I am thinking about dropping my ice miners, BPO researcher and indy characters and using the rest for pve, pi, and mining might even have to sell my Silver Shore overcoat and monocle
why isn't ice mining possible any more? i was doing it this morning, seems perfectly possible to me. |
Karzie
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Karzie wrote:I personally was looking forward to dual training with money made from ice mining, now that isn't possible and I am thinking about dropping my ice miners, BPO researcher and indy characters and using the rest for pve, pi, and mining might even have to sell my Silver Shore overcoat and monocle why isn't ice mining possible any more? i was doing it this morning, seems perfectly possible to me.
It still is possible, but as you say the slice of pie is smaller so I will keep a few character subbed and do something else. rather do something constantly than wait around for the next spawn, or chase around systems checking for the next anomaly. I can just move from belt to belt with a couple of characters, or run missions.
edit: should have said its not possible to maintain the same amount of income as I was used too in the time I had for the game |
Dave Stark
3139
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:39:00 -
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Karzie wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Karzie wrote:I personally was looking forward to dual training with money made from ice mining, now that isn't possible and I am thinking about dropping my ice miners, BPO researcher and indy characters and using the rest for pve, pi, and mining might even have to sell my Silver Shore overcoat and monocle why isn't ice mining possible any more? i was doing it this morning, seems perfectly possible to me. It still is possible, but as you say the slice of pie is smaller so I will keep a few character subbed and do something else. rather do something constantly than wait around for the next spawn, or chase around systems checking for the next anomaly. I can just move from belt to belt with a couple of characters, or run missions.
can't say i blame you. i'm of the same mindset to be honest. i don't think i'll plex my second miner, might keep my orca pilot, though. |
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