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Sadine
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:12:00 -
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Trying to get into a bit of pvp for a change, but my Merlin setups seem to fail in most fights.
Can someone explain to me why I took more damage than my Merlin opponent in this 1 on 1 fight:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18060833
There's no scram or web or my setup, because I wanted to just test out if it could tank a bit of damage. But obviously my opponent had a better setup, or did something different than me. Are neutrons the way to go?
Any help would be appreciated, thanks! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
408
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:20:00 -
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Sadine wrote:Trying to get into a bit of pvp for a change, but my Merlin setups seem to fail in most fights. Can someone explain to me why I took more damage than my Merlin opponent in this 1 on 1 fight: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18060833There's no scram or web or my setup, because I wanted to just test out if it could tank a bit of damage. But obviously my opponent had a better setup, or did something different than me. Are neutrons the way to go? Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Evemail me and I'll send you some pvp fits when I get online tonight (near DT).
You could speak to Sean Parisi or Taoist Dragon and apply to one of their corps and you will have lots of help learning frigate pvp.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Theroine
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:55:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:You could speak to Sean Parisi or Taoist Dragon and apply to one of their corps and you will have lots of help learning frigate pvp.
This is good advice! |
Aemonn Ikari
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:07:00 -
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If you want to find out the fit of your opponent you just lost to is, checking the killboard for their losses is the easiest way. No guarantee that the flew exactly the same fit, but many pilots fly identical or very similar fits often.
In your case I found a loss of the pilot that killed you with the following fit:
Quote:[Merlin, Kesi Raae's Merlin]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
This fit does a tiny bit more damage than yours, but you have significantly more EHP, so assuming perfect behaviour and identical skills you should not have lost this fight.
Your choice of ammo is probably not optimal, Void S has less tracking than CN Antimatter. You would usually use Void S against larger targets or in cases where you can minimize tracking issues.
Other factors that would have let your enemy cause more damage than you are different skills, overheating weapons and possibly him using long-range ammunition and keeping a bit at range. You should always carry some Null ammo for enemies that keep at the edge of scram range.
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel
Templis Dragonaors
178
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:30:00 -
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Other factors might include a booster alt in system to crank up your opponent's resists and/or maneuverability. Also, as mentioned above, Void is a bit more situational; I've found it useful when I can set up for an engagement at optimal range, and hit my opponent with a scram and a web to reduce his potential transversal.
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- Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
82
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:19:00 -
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Good advice above. Also, it's always a good idea to have a look at your logs after a fight if things haven't gone as expected. I'd warrant that for a lot of it you were doing little or no damage which could have been due to tracking or range. Void is generally a poor choice of ammo and you'll feel its deficits even more if your skills are not al lvl5. |
Fret Thiesant
Reavers of New Blood
18
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:26:00 -
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Void and no means of controlling range is probably why you lost. |
Sadine
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:27:00 -
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Thanks for all the great answers!
I think I'm beginning to understand how this didn't go my way, even with the "turtle" setup I had.
Going to try changing ammo and test overheating (totally forgot about that).
I'm going to throw these ships out there until I finally kill something :)
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
968
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Posted - 2013.06.04 14:33:00 -
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Sadine wrote:Thanks for all the great answers!
I think I'm beginning to understand how this didn't go my way, even with the "turtle" setup I had.
Going to try changing ammo and test overheating (totally forgot about that).
I'm going to throw these ships out there until I finally kill something :)
Over heating your invulns can add quite a bit of ehp.
I pretty much never use plain tech 1 mods like your shield extender or your invulns. Those slight edges often make the difference in pvp.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
293
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:13:00 -
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Looking at the situation further, your opponent could more easily dictate their optimal and slow you down (Increasing damage application). They we're using Neutrons giving them a slight DPS/ Range Advantage. This could of also been another factor in the fight. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
1023
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:23:00 -
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Buy a T3 alt booster
Fit merlin with comedy fitting plus tear harvester II
collect tears and generate lulz
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1000
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:50:00 -
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[Merlin, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Railrin best rin
Incursus is better though imo.
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Danny John-Peter
New Eden Renegades
208
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:00:00 -
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[Merlin, Blerlin]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Basically, go full gank.
Also Void is terrible, EFT DPS does not equal Applied DPS. |
Dzajic
124
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:23:00 -
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You made quite a lot of newbie mistakes there.
No tackle mods. In case you are actually winning a fight you want to prevent your target from running away.
Using void. It has shortest range and worst tracking. DPS gain is only seen if target is cruiser or larger or heavily webbed (aka going very very slow).
Meta 0 medium shield extender. Don't just don't. In some cases meta 4 is a bit expensive, but you can always drop to meta 3 stuff. (if you don't have skills,isk and available grid and cpu to just use T2). |
Major Killz
202
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:34:00 -
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Throw SOME D's ON IT!
- Killz |
Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
66
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Posted - 2013.06.06 13:59:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:[Merlin, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Railrin best rin
Incursus is better though imo.
That is indeed just a worse version of your Incursus fit.
[Merlin, AB MASB Rail]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
1MN Afterburner II
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
[Merlin, AB MSE Rail]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Internal Force Field Array I
Medium Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
1MN Afterburner II
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Both need a 1% fitting implant of some kind. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1008
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:47:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:[Merlin, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Railrin best rin
Incursus is better though imo. That is indeed just a worse version of your Incursus fit. [Merlin, AB MASB Rail] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator 1MN Afterburner II 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I [Merlin, AB MSE Rail] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Internal Force Field Array I Medium Shield Extender II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1MN Afterburner II 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Both need a 1% fitting implant of some kind.
Genos and you can use the first one you posted with a pseudo (hench not making it sillly expensive).
But seeing how he is a newbie i decided to post a setup that doesn't require genos.
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