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SDS Recruitment
Storm Dancers Shadows
The Explicit Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:27:00 -
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Hi
You know what i did when the server went down?
I packed my kids into the car n we went out
I watch a film with my wife
I got lucky
I played Ultimia, i played cnc, i went to bed
Downtime ccps fault? no?
Grow up n stop asking for free stuff |
Kuga
Nex Angelus.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:33:00 -
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I cried when the EvE server went down. There was obviously no course of action other than to come to the forums and start 6 threads complaining that my life was forlorn and that I had skills on training which would run out while the server was down.
I obviously need free stuff straight away to alleviate my pain. Please CCP, supply me some fireworks! |
J'oorus
The 20th Legion
Mildly Sober
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:35:00 -
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lock this thread plz |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:36:00 -
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Whats with all these threads all of a sudden?
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Dwyn Nudd
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:40:00 -
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I think you people begging that free sp not be given out, are getting as bad as the people begging for sp..... I could care less give me sp dont give me sp. I just wanna shoot at something and im content.. |
Darth Kilth
Silver Guardians
Fidelas Constans
105
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:41:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Whats with all these threads all of a sudden?
Reverse Psychology, they actually WANT compensation but are saying the oposit.
*tin foil hat off* |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers
S2N Citizens
59
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:42:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:Hi
You know what i did when the server went down?
I packed my kids into the car n we went out
I watch a film with my wife
I got lucky
I played Ultimia, i played cnc, i went to bed
Downtime ccps fault? no?
Grow up n stop asking for free stuff
Nobody asked what you did when the servers went down...I for one am not curious. |
J'Poll
Phoibe Enterprises
2271
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:44:00 -
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Although I hate all the duplicate threads about Free stuff Yes/No?
I do agree with the OP.
The launcher failure was CCP's fault, so good thing they reimbursed people.
The DDoS attack was NOT CCP's fault, so I think they shouldn't compensate people.
As in another thread about not giving compensation stated:
You don't hear the whiners about giving stuff back to CCP because their downtime usually last way longer then predicted.
Want to have some chat in game?
Need help to get into the game as a new player?
Just join my channel:
Crazy Dutch Guy |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
108
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:08:00 -
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during the server downtimes of the last few days, i did other things, played other games and whatnot. I dont need compenstion for being unable to log in
However as a result of the server crashes i lost a ship and 210k SP due to said ship being a t3. This was in no part my fault as the server was gone, i couldnt tell my ship to go to safety, it was lagged in space and destroyed (by npcs). It is this loss that i am seeking amends for. I actually have got the ship hull back, but i am still penalised 4 days of training through absolutely no fault of my own.
Dont give me free ships or SP for the times the server was offline. But please do give back what was taken the moment the server did go
Also my loss wasnt during the ddos issue, it was before the weekend, there was a day where the hour before dt the server repeatedly dropped and there was a sticky on these forums regarding it |
Morgan Knight
Halcyon Knights Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:36:00 -
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Ah, this old argument. The bottom line is that itGÇÖs not about having a life, or that you can do other stuff, itGÇÖs about the fact that we pay for a service.
My take on it is this. I pay a monthly subscription, for my money I expect the servers to be up outside of scheduled downtime, I expect to have the option to play the game regardless of other stuff I could do. IGÇÖm also a realist with a technical background and understand that this is an unrealistic expectation.
Therefor the crux of the matter becomes how CCP deal with unexpected downtimes, after all, keeping their customers happy is part of what a good company should do. Personally I donGÇÖt see an issue with handing out some free skill points and I donGÇÖt understand why some people are so upset by the concept. A lot of customers were irritated as they could not access a service they were paying for, CCP acknowledge this and offer some free SPs as compensation. |
Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
825
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:03:00 -
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OP i liked your post and support this notion.
Nothing in life is free, people should stop asking for reimbursement and stuff.
In the old days we had tons of days of downtime before the Unallocated SP system and we just dealt with it.
Nowadays everyone is such a soft crybaby cockroach.. |
Zephyr Taredi
Doodus Exploration Corporation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:19:00 -
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Free stuff that doesn't cost CCP anything and in return gives them satisfied customers. They can't afford NOT to give compensation. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:20:00 -
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Zephyr Taredi wrote:Free stuff that doesn't cost CCP anything and in return gives them satisfied customers. They can't afford NOT to give compensation.
not entirely true. it costs man hours, which cost wages. on top of that if the compensation is 24hrs game time, that's revenue they're not getting from subscriptions etc.
nothing in this world is free, ever. |
Morgan Knight
Halcyon Knights Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:22:00 -
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Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
Nowadays everyone is such a soft crybaby cockroach..
Expectation of high quality service != crybaby. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1547
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:23:00 -
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I was playing WoT. Which regardless of Eve status I would have been doing anyways.
Pretty much a golden rule for Eve, is to have a backup game. Patch days are prime example on why this is important.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Zephyr Taredi
Doodus Exploration Corporation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:24:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Zephyr Taredi wrote:Free stuff that doesn't cost CCP anything and in return gives them satisfied customers. They can't afford NOT to give compensation. not entirely true. it costs man hours, which cost wages. on top of that if the compensation is 24hrs game time, that's revenue they're not getting from subscriptions etc. nothing in this world is free, ever.
Tiny cost or happy customers, tiny cost or happy customers..... |
Dimple Dallocort
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:28:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:Hi
You know what i did when the server went down?
I packed my kids into the car n we went out
I watch a film with my wife
I got lucky
I played Ultimia, i played cnc, i went to bed
Downtime ccps fault? no?
Grow up n stop asking for free stuff
oh sir,
no sir,
3 bags full sir |
Dave Stark
3072
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:30:00 -
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Zephyr Taredi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Zephyr Taredi wrote:Free stuff that doesn't cost CCP anything and in return gives them satisfied customers. They can't afford NOT to give compensation. not entirely true. it costs man hours, which cost wages. on top of that if the compensation is 24hrs game time, that's revenue they're not getting from subscriptions etc. nothing in this world is free, ever. Tiny cost or happy customers, tiny cost or happy customers..... Dealing with angry customers isnt free either.
i don't really see why people are that unhappy, you couldn't play for a few hours on the weekend. if that sort of thing upsets you that much i think you need to take a long hard look at your life. |
Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
84
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:31:00 -
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Hi,
you know what I did when the server went down?
I had a great sunny day at a beach.
I came back from a great extended weekend with my kids like a 70th boss.
I watched a film with my wife.
I went relaxed to bed.
I got more than 4 hours of sleep \o/
Downtime wasn't CCP's fault!
I don't care about free stuff. |
Dimple Dallocort
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:40:00 -
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Why does everyone feel they have the right to demand CCP to one course of action or another.
I mean does it really effect your life if people get free stuff?
Or do you feel that you have such authority that your demands should be met.
I don't really care one way or the other but I just can't believe how rude and up their own hole people are on these forums.
Don't compensate? Don't give in? GIVE IN?? really?
At the very least you should get one day of time added to your account, considering you paid for the time.
Any thing else is a bonus that is up to CCP if they are so inclined
I like using one line at a time it makes it seem like you have more to say,
Even if it is just drivel |
JackknifedII
The Canaries
34
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:45:00 -
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I pleasured myself 8 times.
Now I'm sore.
Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
399
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:53:00 -
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I guess the reason I feel no compensation is necessary is my perspective.
Think of a bunch of kids waiting for a bus to go to a movie, same bus stop is a Old Lady doing the same thing, out of nowhere a mugger comes and steals her purse and beats her unconscious the Police and Paramedics arrive blocking the bus stop to attend to her wound and deal with this travesty. The kids miss their bus, then demand the Old Lady pay them for the inconvenience.
Guess I would solve this by stealing their Movie money and beating them unconscious, but in EVE all I can do is shake my head and post my disbelief of the current culture.
The most common phenomenon in evolution is when nature experiments.
The measure of such is-á E X T I N C T I O N . . . |
Mipe Kamach
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:58:00 -
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Free stuff is good.
I want my free stuff.
Preferably before I go inactive YET AGAIN.
EVE Online: one of the few games where the real life is more interesting. |
Dimple Dallocort
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:04:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I guess the reason I feel no compensation is necessary is my perspective.
Think of a bunch of kids waiting for a bus to go to a movie, same bus stop is a Old Lady doing the same thing, out of nowhere a mugger comes and steals her purse and beats her unconscious the Police and Paramedics arrive blocking the bus stop to attend to her wound and deal with this travesty. The kids miss their bus, then demand the Old Lady pay them for the inconvenience.
Guess I would solve this by stealing their Movie money and beating them unconscious, but in EVE all I can do is shake my head and post my disbelief of the current culture.
Ridiculous analogy, Does kids don't deserve to see a movie just watching that happen to an old women.
And in fairness it was most likely the kid that mugged her!
any how here's one for you.
You go to a fast food joint, you pay for you food and while waiting for it the power goes out. You get no food, but by your standard you shouldn't get your money back?
Ridiculous and pointless we can throw out analogy's all day, but the point remains, service paid for, service not received.
What ever the reason for no service the bare minimum of compensation is to have your account time extended by the length of unexpected down time. Although it's most like hidden in the EULA that they don't have to compensate you, it would be a kind gesture o the part of CCP.
But still does not give people the right to DEMAND anything one way or the other. |
Kelby
19
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:09:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/tranquility-downtime-on-sunday-june-2-and-monday-june-3/
Quote:What we can now confirm is that a person was able to utilize a vulnerability in one of the back-end services that support the operation of the Tranquility server. This vulnerability has now been secured and thoroughly tested. - CCP Spielmann
Quote:We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon. - CCP Spielmann
Was the downtime CCPGÇÖs fault? No, not really.
CCP donGÇÖt have to compensate but in this case they have acknowledged a vulnerability was taken advantage of that has now been fixed and have stated they will compensate in some way that is to be determined.
They donGÇÖt have to do this, but the choice CCP have taken to do so is just good customer service.
If they credit your account with an extra day or so of game time and you donGÇÖt like it then log off for the day. If they credit you some lost SP and you donGÇÖt like it then ignore the SP or put them into a skill you will never use.
Since when did an act of good faith by a service provider to their customers become a problem? |
Kimire
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:16:00 -
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Free SP is nice, but i agree with OP. People should stop crying and move on.
http://www.anook.com/kimire |
ard Shikkoken
ard interprises
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:20:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I guess the reason I feel no compensation is necessary is my perspective.
Think of a bunch of kids waiting for a bus to go to a movie, same bus stop is a Old Lady doing the same thing, out of nowhere a mugger comes and steals her purse and beats her unconscious the Police and Paramedics arrive blocking the bus stop to attend to her wound and deal with this travesty. The kids miss their bus, then demand the Old Lady pay them for the inconvenience.
Guess I would solve this by stealing their Movie money and beating them unconscious, but in EVE all I can do is shake my head and post my disbelief of the current culture.
Poor analogy since the kids are not paying the old lady for a service and the old lady is not selling a service. Furthermore your analogy tries to make everyone that is looking for free sp like they have no empathy. In reality its more like your Isp went down for a day, there is almost a guarantee that some form of compensation would be given, from credits to the account to free upgrades, etc.
I could care less either way really. |
Braul de Bellator
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:20:00 -
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What if CCP inadvertently provides the DDoSing party compensation?
Assuming it was someone within EVE.
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. |
SiSi Sizzle
Build Your Own Battleship
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:26:00 -
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Compensation isn't NEEDED, but I'd like some free SP ofcourse.
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Zephyr Taredi
Doodus Exploration Corporation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:29:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Zephyr Taredi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Zephyr Taredi wrote:Free stuff that doesn't cost CCP anything and in return gives them satisfied customers. They can't afford NOT to give compensation. not entirely true. it costs man hours, which cost wages. on top of that if the compensation is 24hrs game time, that's revenue they're not getting from subscriptions etc. nothing in this world is free, ever. Tiny cost or happy customers, tiny cost or happy customers..... Dealing with angry customers isnt free either. i don't really see why people are that unhappy, you couldn't play for a few hours on the weekend. if that sort of thing upsets you that much i think you need to take a long hard look at your life.
I don't get why we should show some sort of special consideration for CCP when they **** up. They have already said that they will compensate us, so why should we turn them down? |
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