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Custo
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:42:00 -
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So a corp member got a new manticore and we took it out for a test drive tonight. At ranges from 3m to 60+ with me goign 1000m/s in a rifter he was hitting me for 250 plus each time. So one full volley and I die. So he goes and gets his raven and he couldnt get a hit on me above 40. We have no idea why this is. Does anyone have a single clue as to way the manticore was hitting so much harder than the raven?
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:44:00 -
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Look in the attribute tab for the Manticore, it has an explosion radius bonus for cruise missiles.
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Custo
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:48:00 -
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I see nothing in attribute that says it gives explosion radius bonus.
Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 19.65% reduction
in Cruise Launcher powergrid needs and 5%
bonus to Cruise Missile kinetic damage per
level
Covert Ops Skill Bonus: 5% reduction in
Cruise Launcher powergrid needs and 25%
bonus to cloaked velocity per level
Is the skill mods to it
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Farjung on 03/11/2005 07:53:15
Look in the attributes, not the description. You should see a field that says Explosion radius bonus: 0,167.
Or look here at the bottom of the left-hand column.
The description hasn't been updated since before the last round of changes to stealth bombers which came with the missile patch - the powergrid bonuses are different to those listed as well.
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Jadeon
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:52:00 -
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hmm the Plot thickens...
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Leshrac Shepherd on 03/11/2005 07:54:16
nevermind then.
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Custo
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:56:00 -
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Even on the attribute tab it mentions nothing of the exp radius bonus. Unless for some weird reason you have to actually be in the ship to see that line and can not just see it from looking at it in the market. Also before some people start hollaring nerf. This thing is a glass cannon. It doesnt take dmg well at all.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.11.03 08:00:00 -
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Hmm ok, well, the explosion radius bonus does exist, take my word for it ;p. Not sure why it's not listed in in-game stats (I thought it was), it is listed in the out-of-game item database though.
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Custo
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Posted - 2005.11.03 08:02:00 -
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Appreciate it. We had no idea what the difference was. Im gonna have to do some serious lookign into this ship now it might be worth piloting.
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Custo
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Posted - 2005.11.03 08:06:00 -
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How good do these ships hold up when ratting vs the higher up rats the lower rats we were one and 2 shotting. Was just curious how it faired in the 300k+range
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.11.03 08:40:00 -
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Do a show info on a fitted missile in ur Manti.
Std cruise is 300m Dmg Rad, my Manti cruise 42m Dmg Rad,which can be lower with better skills.
Against anythin greally fast,ull still hit for low dmg, like 6 v inties at mwd speed. Due to the fact they can outrun ur blast radius speed
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Rufus Roughneck
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Posted - 2005.11.03 08:43:00 -
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The rate of fire is kind of crappy afaik. I don think it will outperform ravens at higher end npc's
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.11.03 11:33:00 -
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Wheeeee, another my BS sized weapons cant instakill friggs thread.
Like have been pointed out the stealth bombers have a bonus to sig radius making their cruise missiles alot better at damaging small things.
Its actually sad that the stealth bombers all got cruise missile bonuses, I would have loved to see for example the Amarr get a stealth bomber with bonuses to large beam weapons...
Maby the devs are saving that for a later release :)
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.11.03 13:55:00 -
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Yes the perhaps most important bonus of the Stealthbomber is its 'hidden' explosion radius bonus. This bonus devides the explosion radius by six. For a guy with lvl 4 missile skills and a Manticore, this cuts down the explosion radius of the missile so much that any ship has to go 2650m/s before damage is even halved. Since in normal circumstances only inties do speeds greater than that, they'll have to go at least 3500m/s in order to reasonably survive the barrage. At 4000m/s they should be fairly safe.
Signature radius doesn't play a role with the Stealthbomber.. if you're in an AB inty going 1250m/s, you'll get insta-popped.
AF are pretty ****** as they will barely survive two waves. Remember a Manticore with Wrath Cruises will do 1560 to 1700 burstdamage with good to perfect skills and a BCS. I don't know if you can change ammo while cloaked but if you can, you can expect a PvP Manticore to switch to EM or EXPL missiles before he engages you. A Harpy with 1 EM hardener (50% EM str) will lose nearly all of his shields in the first burst. Without that hardener he'll be in halve armor on the first wave and dead on the second. Same goes for unplated cruisers.
Let me add though that a bomber has the defenses of a frigate. You very well might be able to kill him before he fires off a 2nd wave (10 to 15seconds or so) assuming he's close range. Further more bombers (well at least the manticore) are the most expensive frigs atm. Besides their buy price (15m+) they also require a cloaking device (10m+) and cruise launchers (3 to 50m). You're pretty much forced to use named launchers if you don't want to have CPU problems. This combined with their fragile nature makes it a quite an undesirable ship to fly if you're often plagued by lag spikes and the such. Your cloak (and optionally distance) is your primary and often only defense and it only takes one noob in a rifter passing by to uncloak you (empire).
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2005.11.03 16:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
The rate of fire is kind of crappy afaik. I don think it will outperform ravens at higher end npc's
Unlike the raven they get a damage bonus tho.
2 manticores will own any npc spawn more than any one raven ever could.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.11.03 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
The rate of fire is kind of crappy afaik. I don think it will outperform ravens at higher end npc's
Unlike the raven they get a damage bonus tho.
2 manticores will own any npc spawn more than any one raven ever could.
i think im going to use a manticore for missions
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Custo
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Posted - 2005.11.04 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
Wheeeee, another my BS sized weapons cant instakill friggs thread.
Not really sure where you got that from. I just wanted to know why there was such a damage difference.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.11.04 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Custo
Originally by: Fester Addams
Wheeeee, another my BS sized weapons cant instakill friggs thread.
Not really sure where you got that from. I just wanted to know why there was such a damage difference.
Don't mind him, he just has this idea in his head that getting hit by a semi hurts less than getting hit by a bicycle, and figures all of Eve should conform to this notion.
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Cheechako
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Posted - 2005.11.04 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
The rate of fire is kind of crappy afaik. I don think it will outperform ravens at higher end npc's
Unlike the raven they get a damage bonus tho.
2 manticores will own any npc spawn more than any one raven ever could.
i think im going to use a manticore for missions
Baad idea... Mantis rely on picking the situation to attack... When you get dumped in a deadspace mission and stuff aggros you before you can cloak, you're dead. Mantis have no tank whatsoever.
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2005.11.04 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cheechako
Originally by: The Wizz117
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
The rate of fire is kind of crappy afaik. I don think it will outperform ravens at higher end npc's
Unlike the raven they get a damage bonus tho.
2 manticores will own any npc spawn more than any one raven ever could.
i think im going to use a manticore for missions
Baad idea... Mantis rely on picking the situation to attack... When you get dumped in a deadspace mission and stuff aggros you before you can cloak, you're dead. Mantis have no tank whatsoever.
With plenty of speed and a decient repair or booster it can handle it. Most missions in the Caldari areas have cruisers agro you or sentry guns.
Both are easy to avoid with a little speed.
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