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Jahbulon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:51:00 -
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"The guys making 100's of millions trading robotics are taking advantage of a flaw in the game design" - just the latest whinge about the market somehow being 'unfair' or 'broken'.
How, exactly? The opportunity is open to all.
Almost every post I've ever seen about flaws, bugs and "exploits" in the market stems from two things:
1. A certain degree of cognitive dissonance about what the market really is. It isn't meant to be an "Elite" style, buy-here-low, sell-there-high type market, however much you want it to be. It works largely with buy and sell orders.
2. A lack of deep understanding of how the market really works, how NPC and PC price, supply and demand operates.
The market ISN'T - I repeat ISN'T broken (NB: apart from, perhaps, phantom buy orders). It works very well.
I have never seen anything happen in the market that I couldn't repeat myself on a lower scale. This even extends to the moaning about how the supply of robotics always "dries up" immediately after reset.
I am never online just after the market reset, and I have never had any problem getting trade goods, including robotics, because I use buy orders, at the right stations, at the right prices |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:59:00 -
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How, exactly? The opportunity is open to all.
As a sidenote: I have heard this 'argument' by every single exploiter in every single onlinegame when caught. This is not to imply that you are using exploits, it's simply striking.
The really high revenue runs *are* camped with buy-orders, and whoever can get on two minutes before the server goes down wins. Ask Callas, he'll attest :P
It's not exactly...fair - can we agree on that? Those who can use this lille quirk of the market *do* have an advantage over those who cannot. Fullstop.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:02:00 -
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Trade Goods arn't what is broken. Sure it could use some work but that is because right now only those who log on after boot get the advantage which unbalances the game for the players who can't log on during that time.
Now What is broken is the Ship Market. And here is why......
People can now get a BP cheap. But When that produce there ship they don't realize that they must sell at Insures price instead they sell and mineral cost which is dumb.
They think that if they mine the mineral and sell it for the cost of the minerals it is all profit. um... no... Use your head. You might as well just sell the minerals. Hello, McFly... What about production cost it takes time to produce the ship. It takes hrs, espiecally for a cruiser to gather the minerals. And lastly what about the time it took you to get the skills and train for Mass and industry ect... Arn't you efough worth anything. Also producing ships so cheaply like cruisers, Puts newbs in crusiers.
Frigates are dead no question. I can buy a Tormentor for less then 10k then spen 7k to insure it. go out to a belt have the pirates kill me and come back and make 25k makeing 8k profit off the producer. Crusiers are next, I saw a Omen for 2mill only 1 mill to insure, and the pay off is 4 mill. know body can sell for the reall price because all those small corps that got a hold of a cheap Crusier BP arn't thinking straight.
The Market is broken.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:07:00 -
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The market ISN'T - I repeat ISN'T broken (NB: apart from, perhaps, phantom buy orders). It works very well.
Sorry but that really reminded me of the Iraqi Information Minister 
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:08:00 -
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You seem to be qouting my post in this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=24290
Initially, i didn't feel like gratifying your panic-like attempt too smooth over an obvious FLAW IN THE GAME DESIGN by calling me a whinger, but as i'm bored senseless, here goes:
We were never supposed to be able to make immense fortunes in no time at all, simply by logging on at 12:00 GMT and hitting "Buy". Hence, it's a flaw in the game design.
The fact that the opportunity exists for everyone does not make it right. Nor fun. Nor realistic.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:39:00 -
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Only an idiot would believe that the market wasn't broken
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Psyco Groupie
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:39:00 -
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lets all repeat stuff .. no wait .. thats wot the idea lab forum is for
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:43:00 -
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"The guys making 100's of millions trading robotics are taking advantage of a flaw in the game design" - just the latest whinge about the market somehow being 'unfair' or 'broken'.
How, exactly? The opportunity is open to all.
THe market rewards the people capable of being logged in at a specific time. If you login right before downtime, you can place a buy order that overshadows all other buy orders. That is Metagame. The advantage is given not based on any action performed in the game. But because of actions taken outside the game.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Xylor
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Posted - 2003.08.06 20:46:00 -
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The market ISN'T - I repeat ISN'T broken
ROFL - You are kidding right?
The market is an ill conceived mess. Even getting worse now. Stations are getting bugged and rejecting legitimate sell orders on reboot.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.06 20:55:00 -
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I can't remember the last time I actually bought anything using the market.
I make what I need, find it, or get it from my corp.
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:11:00 -
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I can't remember the last time I actually bought anything using the market.
I make what I need, find it, or get it from my corp.
That's the problem.
You have a semi-large corp, meaning you should be able to do that 90% of the time.
HOWEVER, I have a 5 member corp (band of freinds really) and well... WE DO THAT TOO.
umm... if every 5 people had a copy of 5 cruisers, and every frig orig, and tons of other stuff... WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
we have... about 50,000 subscrubers... so that would be... 10,000 blueprint copies laying around... only if 1 in 5 people had 1. I have 200 AM-S copies... I'm gonna bulk sell them once the copy limitation goes in.
Yeah, I'm screwing up the market! WOO HOO... too bad I dont sell anything.
Anyways. What I am saying is, if everyone had 5 blueprints on average, there would be 250,000 blueprints, and if each person uses 1 of 20... were talking 10,000 blueprints in use with only like 150 types of blueprints... ... ... skeery.
-rei
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:13:00 -
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The the problem with region-wide buy orders is that it doesn't just give you an advantage, it allows you to block other players from that part of the game completely. I've never used region buy orders and I never will (unless the system gets revamped).
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