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Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.04 12:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Jed Tantrum on 04/11/2005 12:50:41 Selling 4 batches of 100 large armour repairer II modules. Pickup: Ameinaka ( 2 jumps from Rens ) Start bid: 250 mill ( per batch ) Bid increment : 10 mill Reserve: No reserve Buyout: 500 mill ( per batch ) 1: 100 large armour rep II 2: 100 large armour rep II 3: 100 large armour rep II 4: 100 large armour rep II Auction end: Sunday 6th Nov, 23:00 eve time Sniper rule: 10 minutes Winning bidders will have their goods escrowed to them as soon as I am online after auction close. Happy biding.
Feroz	Posted - 2005.11.04 13:00:00 - [2] 1) 250m 2) 250m
spekenbonen	Posted - 2005.11.04 13:06:00 - [3] 3) 250m
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2005.11.04 13:07:00 - [4] 4) 250M -- Gradient's forum
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.05 09:56:00 - [5] Up we go
luisa illiat	Posted - 2005.11.05 10:29:00 - [6] 4: 260m
MORGONIUSTWONK	Posted - 2005.11.05 11:20:00 - [7] 1)+2)280m
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.06 17:58:00 - [8] Auction ends tonight. Get bidding.
Woohoo	Posted - 2005.11.06 18:56:00 - [9] Edited by: Woohoo on 06/11/2005 18:57:27 3) 260m
Nalia Amor	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:15:00 - [10] 4) 270
Solran	Posted - 2005.11.06 20:43:00 - [11] 3) and 4) 280
luisa illiat	Posted - 2005.11.06 21:44:00 - [12] 4: 300
Feroz	Posted - 2005.11.06 21:47:00 - [13] 1) 300m 2) 300m
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:49:00 - [14] 3) 290M -- Gradient's forum
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:54:00 - [15] 3) 300mil
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Betawolf on 06/11/2005 22:57:51 4)310
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Betawolf 4)300 Already bidded.
luisa illiat	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:59:00 - [18] 2: 310
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:01:00 - [19] Auction over
luisa illiat	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Brian Royer Auction over Yup, depending on sniper rule :D seem to be different ones around heh.. anyway grats on this fine buy
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:04:00 - [21] Originally by: luisa illiat Originally by: Brian Royer Auction over Yup, depending on sniper rule :D seem to be different ones around heh.. anyway grats on this fine buy Thanks
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Betawolf on 06/11/2005 23:11:15 will also take 3)310 shuld be valid according to Sniper rule no its not posted b4 2310
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:10:00 - [23] Edited by: Brian Royer on 06/11/2005 23:14:24 Originally by: Betawolf Edited by: Betawolf on 06/11/2005 23:09:38 will also take 3)310 3) 320mil
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:12:00 - [24] yours it to late see the timestamp
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Betawolf on 06/11/2005 23:13:54 look at your edited by timestamps lol sux man JEd thanks for a great auction ill take 3 and 4 escrowed at same time just make price 620m
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:13:00 - [26] No I am not.
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:14:00 - [27] I didn't edit it to change my bid, I edited it to quote your edits.
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:15:00 - [28] i read ur original and i intrust eula reps to review and you will be corrected
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:16:00 - [29] Jed, please remove Betawolf from the auction, he only bid on one item which was overbid. Then he wants to take another persons winning bid as well.
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:19:00 - [30] Sniper rules (The elusive snipe!) Now you have your item listed, your points listed, you have set a start and end time, you have your reserve, and your buyout information listed, now you need to decide some details about last-minute bids. Sniper rules are confusing to most people, for the simple reason that they don't understand them, and there are two ways of looking at the rule. Again, be specific. Cover yourself in the event of a last-minute bid war. If you don't, I guarantee you'll hear complaints. Why is this something to worry about? Well, consider the above auction for the major war gaunts ends at 7:03pm sunday night board time. Now, let's look at what might happen. Bidder A has the high bid at 6:49pm, of 8000 plats. Bidder B bids at 6:51pm, 8100 Bidder C bids at 6:58pm, 8200 Bidder D bids at 6:59pm, 8300 Bidder A bids again at 7:01pm, 8350 Bidder B bids again at 7:01pm, 8400 Bidder E, who has never bid on these the whole 2 days it was posted, bids at 7:02pm, 8400 Bidder C bids at 7:03pm, 8500 Now, several issues arise: First, you had a lot of people interested sill, and it looks like it would have kept going. I have seen auctions "snipe" for an hour. Second, did Bidder E win, or did Bidder C win? Do bids posted the minute of the end-time count, or not? You didn't specify that, so you will get two very vocal camps on that subject. Third, if you decide that bids at the minute of auction's end are not valid, is it fair that someone who had not been bidding, come and bid and win at the very last minute? There are two schools of thought: * 1. Bids accepted prior to the end time. End Time is 7:00 - a bid at 6:59 is accepted, a bid at 7:00 is too late. * 2. Bids accepted with the end time itself or earlier. End Time is 7:00 - a bid with a time of 7:00 is accepted, but 7:01 is too late (It is most commonly held that the auction is over at the time listed, in our auction, no bids at 7:03 will be accepted, as the popular online-auction sites use that rule) However, there are some who think it is the first way. Again, clarify this ahead of time, don't wait till the last minute and find people fighting over it. Many people make a rule that says if you haven't bid on an item, you aren't allowed to bid in the last hour/30 minutes of auction. This prevents someone like Bidder E from coming and bidding at the last minute and winning over several interested parties. However, I personally feel that rule is irrelevant if you use a snipe rule. If you did not say anything about a snipe rule, you'll very likely find yourself at the end of some pretty angry people. (Although, in these days, for really nice items, if you don't post a snipe rule, usually someone will mention it and ask about it before-hand) So, how can you save yourself headache? By setting up a few simple rules. So, let's look at what a snipe rule is: Definition of a 10-minute snipe rule: Auction will be extended by 10 min's if any bids are placed in the last 10 min's of the auction, and 10 min's for each bid after that (for a maximum of one hour). Okay, you're thinking, well, what if the hour goes by and you end up with the same situation? I personally have never seen an auction get sniped for over an hour, but in the case of an item like our Gaunts listed above, it is a possibility. When I've run auctions, I don't add the clause limiting how long sniping can happen, simply because if you've got people fighting over an item, they are going to HAVE to keep bidding at least every 9 minutes to stay in it, trust me, someone will drop out of the running after a while. However, now we have to look at the rule, and realize it is open to two ways of interpretation. I have lost an auction because I held to the belief that it meant the auction is extended 10 minutes from the original end time, but the seller thought it meant extended from the last bid time. So, seller decided the bid at 7:01 extended it to 7:11, and I thought it extended
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:19:00 - [31] from the last bid time. So, seller decided the bid at 7:01 extended it to 7:11, and I thought it extended it to 7:13. I lost, because I failed to ask for clarification from the seller ahead of time. Let's look at the two ways it can be interpreted: * 1. The end time is extended 10 minutes past the last bid * 2. The end time is extended 10 minutes past the original end time. For example: 1.) 10 Minute Sniper: Bid posted at 6:57, extends auction to 7:07. Bid posted at 7:04, extends auction to 7:14 2.) 10 Minute Sniper: Bid posted at 6:57, extends auction to 7:10. Bid posted at 7:04, extends auction to 7:20. Again, just be specific from the original post you make, so there is absolutely no way anyone could be confused. Using the wording above, you can avoid confusion later.
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:23:00 - [32] we shall let him decide however if he decides against me 3) is still won by me.
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:24:00 - [33] Thank you for all your bids. After carefully looking at timestamps etc, it would appear that these are the winning bidders: 1: Feroz @ 310m 2: Luisa Illiat @ 310m 3 @ 4: Betawolf @ 320m each
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:26:00 - [34] both items i bid 310 so total would be 620 Jed
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:26:00 - [35] Jed please review them again, she never bid 320mil, I did after having to argue with her.
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:27:00 - [36] your 320 was invaLId according to the bid stamp
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:27:00 - [37] The timestamp on my bid was to quote hers to point out the sniperule.
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:29:00 - [38] ty ill claim as soon as you put up
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:29:00 - [39] My mistake. I can't add up :) It should be: 1: 300 2: 310 3 @ 4: 620
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:30:00 - [40] Whatever
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:31:00 - [41] What the hell is the point of a sniper rule if it only increases the base auction time by 10 minutes. All she did was wait until 9 minutes after then bid.
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:31:00 - [42] It increases the LAST bid time by 10 minutes, I suggest you review my bid again and quit being unfair.
Betawolf	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:32:00 - [43] Edited by: Betawolf on 06/11/2005 23:32:33 brian the auction is over go spend ur isk elsewhere im
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:33:00 - [44] This is unfair, he is lieing just to win.
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:33:00 - [45] escrows up
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:36:00 - [46] To try to keep everyone happy. Brian, contact me in a couple of days and you can have 100 for 310 mill, same as Betawolf. I can't say fairer than that.
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:37:00 - [47] Contact you? How, you are posting on an alt.
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:38:00 - [48] Forget it, I finally saw an opportunity to make a few isk off my savings and you give it the one of the richest bidders.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Brian Royer Contact you? How, you are posting on an alt. I can assure you that Jed Tantrum is nobody's alt. As can a few hundred ex-CA, ex-Kieretsu, etc. players. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Brian Royer Contact you? How, you are posting on an alt. Jed is not an alt.
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:41:00 - [51] Keep them, I'll be sure to stay away from your auctions from now on if you don't even know how a sniper rule works.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:45:00 - [52] BTW, I was just looking at the timestamps which are inserted by the server and can not be edited. 22:54:00 - Brian Royer - 3) 300mil 22:57:00 - Betawolf - 3) 300mil 22:57:51 - Betawolf - 3) 310mil (Edit timestamp) And AFAIK, all sniper rules extend from the time of posting, or in this case an edit a few seconds later as Betawolf saw that his bid only matched that of Brian Royer. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime BTW, I was just looking at the timestamps which are inserted by the server and can not be edited. 22:54:00 - Brian Royer - 3) 300mil 22:57:00 - Betawolf - 3) 300mil 22:57:51 - Betawolf - 3) 310mil (Edit timestamp) And AFAIK, all sniper rules extend from the time of posting, or in this case an edit a few seconds later as Betawolf saw that his bid only matched that of Brian Royer. What are you trying to say?
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:48:00 - [54] Your 23:10 bid of 320mil was too late is what I'm saying. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:49:00 - [55] He bid 310mil in number 4, not number 3 at 22:57. Get your information straight.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.11.07 00:10:00 - [56] Originally by: Brian Royer He bid 310mil in number 4, not number 3 at 22:57. Get your information straight. Your "already bidded about 4)300" threw me, so I didn't really look at the 3 or 4 correctly, my apologies. 22:54:00 - Brian Royer - 3) 300mil (extends +10 minutes to 23:10:00) 23:09:00 - Betawolf - 3) 310mil (extends +10 minutes to 23:19:00) 23:10:00 - Brian Royer - 3) 320mil (extends +10 minutes to 23:20:00) But TBH, with all the editing it's hard to figure out what happened when, and I must admit that even your edit of 23:14:24 was within the time available. I'll talk to Jed and yourself ingame and hopefully find an amicable solution. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Brian Royer	Posted - 2005.11.07 00:15:00 - [57] Thank you very much, I apologize as well for getting upset.
luisa illiat	Posted - 2005.11.07 12:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Jed Tantrum escrows up Thank you, will claim later today when i get online !
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.11.07 13:34:00 - [59] Brian was entirely right throughout with his claim that his bid was winning... Auctionneers should learn what a sniper rule is and how it works before using it...

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