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Maggot	Posted - 2005.11.04 22:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Maggot on 04/11/2005 22:18:35 Ushra'khan statement to the Huzzah Federation of Providence It has now been a week since our successful operation in the Providence Region. I hope you now fully understand the situation you are in. You have now had more than enough time to decide which way your loyalities lie. Are you with the slavers or against them? You have until 19:00 tomorrow (Saturday) to decide your fate. If you comply with the following then we have a peaceful future together: 1. Make a statement on Galnet regarding your anti-slavery position 2. No joint operations with CVA under any circumstances 3. A commitment not to build an Amarrian Outpost 4. Set a NAP in place with Ushra'khan. 5. No further admittance of pro-slavery corporations 6. Delivery of all slaves held by your pilots to the Ushra'khan hospitals
Garreck	Posted - 2005.11.04 22:50:00 - [2] Bold. Garreck Aku. Soku. Zan.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.11.05 00:28:00 - [3] As stated many times the Huzzah Alliance is not a pro slavery organisation, however these terms as laid down by the Ushra'Khan alliance are unaceptable for a NAP between our two alliances. Regards Hans Roaming El Presedente Anti Pirate? Tired of sec hits? Join us for free wars!
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2005.11.05 00:35:00 - [4] In the words of a famous commander, ôNuts!ö
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.11.05 00:36:00 - [5] Hold your ground Huzzah, support your allies in this time of temporary turmoil! -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Camar	Posted - 2005.11.05 01:50:00 - [6] So it shall be written - So it shall be done.
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2005.11.05 04:54:00 - [7] offering peace? I smell weakness, or is that the stink of uneducated traitors to the Republic? Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744
Krystian	Posted - 2005.11.05 05:08:00 - [8] Scene - The Command Nexus of Caldari Battleship: The Deny Raven class Battleship. Somewhere deep in Huzzah space. In the forcefield confines of the Shining Horde compound. "So the Ushra'khan wish to free slaves from our possession. They assume way to much. My fellow allies have told them time again we harbor no such animal. Now they wish to take down all of our bases of operation. They stretch their ideologies too far with this! GET ME Concord Relay Post 8!! - patch me in with Galnet" said by a heavily cybernetic caldari in a low sadistic voice. Several different flashes of various com patches scream thru his head when the main terminal nexus window to Galnet is reached. "Ushra'khan. You have been told by our high command that we harbor none of your brethern in bondage. You assume our peacefull freindship with CVA as admittance of guilt to the promotion of slavery within the Huzzah Federation borders. The CVA promotes trade and stability in our beloved Providence. Now you wish to open up hostilities and distabalize the region to allow the enemies of the rule of law an upperhand? What double standards you use to achive your ends. No matter, know this - we stand ready to defend our lands to the bitter end to your armies. Think long and hard before you take one further shot against us. Think of whom else will be draged into this war against you. I HAVE NO SLAVES TO GIVE YOU, and NEITHER...DO...MY...ALLIES! Now go and never return unless you wish to be... more civil" A wicked smile comes across the caldari's face as the transmission ends. Video replay of an unknown Ushra'khan pilot epxloding in a horrible hail of gun fire from grand Amarrian station is played in a continous loop. Transmission ends. CEO Krystian Blood Moon Horde
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2005.11.05 11:45:00 - [9] Ushra'khan you are wrong. I would not work with any slave holding corp. As already stated your demands are therefore unacceptable. Although as a recent addition to the space community I may well die under your guns but I will return and you will not succeed in claiming our space.
Lady Chiron	Posted - 2005.11.05 11:49:00 - [10] The Ushra'khan presume much and there blind fanatacism blinds them to truth and reason. I was hoping for a peaceful resolution to this clash if interests, but it seems now that may be impossible. Still, I will continue to hope that diplomacy will continue before conflict.
JohnCrayton	Posted - 2005.11.05 12:15:00 - [11] Well a week of meditation and thinking must have been for all of us , and we sure know the situation we in as we hope u knew your situation to . As an Alliance we long time ago decided that our loyalities goes to only one major alliance ... that is our alliance : Huzzah ! And who can tell us that huzzah is a slavers alliance or not ? In our forum we state that huzzah is a benign alliance ....Did you translated that in Ushra Khan as being slavers ? Well we think the man in power of your alliance is driving all of you in an inutile slaughter , we advise you to go to a referendum in your alliance and look at your statistics as our intel informing us of many corps in your alliance against this war ... Our fate is decided we will not wait until 19:00 About your terms let me reply : 1. Make a statement on Galnet regarding your anti-slavery position This must be reviewed by alliance leaders then decided what alliance statement is regarding slavery and cant be a war starting problem . 2. No joint operations with CVA under any circumstances Well we mainly fight priory and tsbs , who are pirates are you saying in this term that we cant fight pirates ? And a question emerge : are you with those pirates ? 3. A commitment not to build an Amarrian Outpost Look you intel , it must be wrong , who told you we are building outposts with cva ? cva can build his outposts and we build ours . 4. Set a NAP in place with Ushra'khan. You want peace ? 5. No further admittance of pro-slavery corporations We are not slavers as we said but if you insist telling we are what can we do ? 6. Delivery of all slaves held by your pilots to the Ushra'khan hospitals Slaves are not ill people so we deliver them to any hospitals , you must tell us to give them theyr freedom it will be better . And have a good day
Logan Xerxes	Posted - 2005.11.05 12:59:00 - [12] Stick it to "the man" Huzzah!
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2005.11.05 16:07:00 - [13] the UK calls us a slaver alliance too looks in mirror at handsome Brutor body and that just doesn't make any sense. I have never owned slaves, heck the Gallente keep trying to give me slaves and I have to turn the drug addict agents down. Ushra'Khan are looking for an excuse to wage war and it is easier to try and pick on a smaller sized alliance that holds some space rather than go after pirates (which they do seem to have a NAP with) and they certainly have proven they can't take out the CVA...so Huzzah gets targeted. it is quite pathetic and I am glad to be down in Providence helping out against these traitors to the Republic, these pirates in freedom fighter's clothes who have to justify their random aggression. They need targets i think to keep from falling apart internally. still waiting for this "burning" of providence Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744
Drakus	Posted - 2005.11.05 18:47:00 - [14] Drakus reads the post by Tomahawk Bliss, and starts to respond ... Hes not worth my time. Those that do have brains realise that he is full of horse crap. Those that don't... well.. they don't matter. One day i hope to meet you in a bar in a station there mr. Bliss. and if that day does come. Watch out. For i will permently erase you from this universe. Drakus then makes a note to himself to not bother with this channel anymore. Its full of people that really have no reason to be here, that comment on things they know less then nothing about. This post does not relfect the opinions of the Ushra'Khan or any of its members.
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.11.05 19:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Drakus Drakus reads the post by Tomahawk Bliss, and starts to respond ... Hes not worth my time. Those that do have brains realise that he is full of horse crap. Those that don't... well.. they don't matter. So anyone that happens to agree with Mr.Bliss "Dosn't have a brain" and consequently dosn't matter. Your imperical and scientific evidence for this is found wanting. I think you're just angery because people have thoughts differing from your own. Originally by: Drakus One day i hope to meet you in a bar in a station there mr. Bliss. and if that day does come. Watch out. For i will permently erase you from this universe. I've never heard of that actually happening to be honest. Sounds like another empty threat courtesy of Ushra'Khan. Originally by: Drakus Drakus then makes a note to himself to not bother with this channel anymore. Its full of people that really have no reason to be here, that comment on things they know less then nothing about. Translation: It's full of people that disagree with me and this hurts my fragile little world where I'm right and everyone else is wrong. ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Hippey	Posted - 2005.11.05 19:32:00 - [16] Edited by: Hippey on 05/11/2005 19:32:08 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss the UK calls us a slaver alliance too looks in mirror at handsome Brutor body and that just doesn't make any sense. I have never owned slaves, heck the Gallente keep trying to give me slaves and I have to turn the drug addict agents down. Ushra'Khan are looking for an excuse to wage war and it is easier to try and pick on a smaller sized alliance that holds some space rather than go after pirates (which they do seem to have a NAP with) and they certainly have proven they can't take out the CVA...so Huzzah gets targeted. it is quite pathetic and I am glad to be down in Providence helping out against these traitors to the Republic, these pirates in freedom fighter's clothes who have to justify their random aggression. They need targets i think to keep from falling apart internally. still waiting for this "burning" of providence Most...stupid...man...alive. ------------------------------------------- If you do nothing to stop slavery, you do everything to support it!
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.11.05 19:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss offering peace? I smell weakness, or is that the stink of uneducated traitors to the Republic? If you bothered to read Maggots post past line one you would see that the peace has a price. This peace is on offer to all whom we have conflict with. Despite what you may think, we are not pirates or war mongers. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.11.05 19:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Darius Shakor If you bothered to read Maggots post past line one you would see that the peace has a price. This peace is on offer to all whom we have conflict with. Despite what you may think, we are not pirates or war mongers. A question from the floor good sir. Are maggots terms negotiable? ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2005.11.05 19:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Hippey Edited by: Hippey on 05/11/2005 19:32:08 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss the UK calls us a slaver alliance too looks in mirror at handsome Brutor body and that just doesn't make any sense. I have never owned slaves, heck the Gallente keep trying to give me slaves and I have to turn the drug addict agents down. Ushra'Khan are looking for an excuse to wage war and it is easier to try and pick on a smaller sized alliance that holds some space rather than go after pirates (which they do seem to have a NAP with) and they certainly have proven they can't take out the CVA...so Huzzah gets targeted. it is quite pathetic and I am glad to be down in Providence helping out against these traitors to the Republic, these pirates in freedom fighter's clothes who have to justify their random aggression. They need targets i think to keep from falling apart internally. still waiting for this "burning" of providence Most...stupid...man...alive. Lamest...Responce...Ever. Next...Time...Try...To...Have...A...Point. Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.11.05 20:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Darius Shakor on 05/11/2005 20:10:56 Originally by: Pulgor Originally by: Darius Shakor If you bothered to read Maggots post past line one you would see that the peace has a price. This peace is on offer to all whom we have conflict with. Despite what you may think, we are not pirates or war mongers. A question from the floor good sir. Are maggots terms negotiable? For negotiation to be accepted by either side, there must be a 'middle ground' that both can be comfortable with. There is no middle ground on this issue that we find acceptable. So in short, no. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Maggot	Posted - 2005.11.05 20:09:00 - [21] The terms of peace would have been quite straightforward to accept if Huzzah were truely anti-slavery. However, Huzzah are nothing of the kind, even though they protest their innocence. To say Huzzah is anti-slavery but to fly with slavers on combat missions against those who really are anti-slavery has to be the most outrageous hypocrisy I have heard. You are not just being apathetic on the subject - you are supporting the continuation of slavery through your actions against Ushra'khan. I will be speaking to CONCORD within the next few minutes.
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.11.05 20:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Darius Shakor For negotiation to be accepted by either side, there must be a 'middle ground' that both can be comfortable with. There is no middle ground on this issue that we find acceptable. So in short, no. Then you must admit to being pirates. When you do not comply with a pirates demands, you are blown up. It would seem the events correlate here too. Your ransom is different, but the intent is the same. ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Ashrak Belish	Posted - 2005.11.05 20:21:00 - [23] Why are we bringing this up again? We have had this discussion already and its leading nowhere. Huzzah leaders know of our intentions and the reasons behind them, they have answered and the future is now set in stone. I donÆt care what you say or think, your life is forfeit due to your leaders decisions. Now just sit down and enjoy the ride. War is upon you whether you like it or not û it was your leaders call. Now lets end this stupidity of pointless talks, we have had enough of this already.
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.11.05 21:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Pulgor Originally by: Darius Shakor For negotiation to be accepted by either side, there must be a 'middle ground' that both can be comfortable with. There is no middle ground on this issue that we find acceptable. So in short, no. Then you must admit to being pirates. When you do not comply with a pirates demands, you are blown up. It would seem the events correlate here too. Your ransom is different, but the intent is the same. I thought that even you would be inteligent enough to avoid drawing such a thin conclusion Pulgor. Pirates kill their prey for economic gain only. This is war, fueled by an ideology. By your logic, everyone who has killed in war are pirates... please. Would this include you too, in your days with Aegis Militia who demanded a stop to our actions? or the Amarr who killed Minmatar in the rebellion? The ones that still kill Minmatar in their custody for refusing to submit to their greedy wants? Are they pirates too? I prey not, because if so then everyone is a pirate. And if everyone is a pirate, then no one is and piracy is therefore not wrong. If that is something you endorese then I guess you are worse than I had already assumed. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.11.05 21:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Darius Shakor I thought that even you would be inteligent enough to avoid drawing such a thin conclusion Pulgor. Pirates kill their prey for economic gain only. This is war, fueled by an ideology. I suppose that's fair. Okay you're not pirates, although war mongers/terrorists may still fit the bill! Originally by: Darius Shakor By your logic, everyone who has killed in war are pirates... please. Not at all, there are plenty of valid reasons for a war. However this "Our way or highway" attitude isn't going to win you any Aidonis prizes, and I'm kind of flabbergasted that you think it would. Originally by: Darius Shakor Would this include you too, in your days with Aegis Militia who demanded a stop to our actions? I've always demanded a stop to your actions. With AM I fought the blood raiders more then Ushra'Khan though. Originally by: Darius Shakor or the Amarr who killed Minmatar in the rebellion? What about them? Originally by: Darius Shakor The ones that still kill Minmatar in their custody for refusing to submit to their greedy wants? I'm not sure how this justifies your killing of people whom have never owned slaves. You claim they support the system, that's very convieniant. A war monger would make such a claim I think, or perhaps terrorists. Originally by: Darius Shakor Are they pirates too? I prey not, because if so then everyone is a pirate. And if everyone is a pirate, then no one is and piracy is therefore not wrong. If that is something you endorese then I guess you are worse than I had already assumed. You're starting to sound like Aphox. All these paradoxes and such. No, I'm not saying everyone is a pirate, I am saying that due to non-negotiable demands peace is not a commodity you seriously value. Therefore you're war mongers or terrorists. Pirates of ideology as opposed to ISK. ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.11.05 21:58:00 - [26] Quote: You're starting to sound like Aphox. All these paradoxes and such. No, I'm not saying everyone is a pirate, I am saying that due to non-negotiable demands peace is not a commodity you seriously value. Therefore you're war mongers or terrorists. Pirates of ideology as opposed to ISK. That must have hit like a ton of Tritanium from orbit. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.11.05 22:59:00 - [27] Quote: I suppose that's fair. Okay you're not pirates, although war mongers/terrorists may still fit the bill! Then why are we offering an olive branch instead of just declaring a war and getting it over with to 'slake our bloodlust' as some might say? Quote: Not at all, there are plenty of valid reasons for a war. However this "Our way or highway" attitude isn't going to win you any Aidonis prizes, and I'm kind of flabbergasted that you think it would. We think we would? Point to me a phrase in this thread where we said we think we would... I sure can't see one. We are not the ones with the 'holyer than thou' attitude here. The war is simply a means to an end, nothing more. Quote: I've always demanded a stop to your actions. With AM I fought the blood raiders more then Ushra'Khan though. Maybe, but that too was a response to your demands on them not being met either. So you see, the statement stands all the same, even if the target is different. Quote: I'm not sure how this justifies your killing of people whom have never owned slaves. You claim they support the system, that's very convieniant. A war monger would make such a claim I think, or perhaps terrorists. First of all, call me what you will. I have been called worse in my time, and I kind of get used to it after a short time. Seccondly, you obviously have not being paying attention all this time when we have stated our views on what constitutes supporting slavers. They give military aid and co-operation to known slavers in the CVA. As I have said many times, there is no middle ground and a 'we're just friends' attitude when it comes to slavery. For us there is simply no tollerence for this. The better option for Huzzah would have been to let the CVA rot when they call for help, and lock their doors when the CVA come offering the same. Sure they may suffer against local pirates, but they suffer with honour. The evil that is slavery should be left to be ground to dust by the crule universe, not helped and coerced. Help the CVA in Providence and you help their aims of slavery. That makes you no better. You may happen to disagree too, in fact I am sure an Ammatar like you would. But you do not dictate our policy to us, so save your arguments for those willing to hear and compare notes. Quote: No, I'm not saying everyone is a pirate, I am saying that due to non-negotiable demands peace is not a commodity you seriously value. Therefore you're war mongers or terrorists. Pirates of ideology as opposed to ISK. I will sleep at night, regardless of your analysis of it. You seem to attribute the value of ISK to the same level as the value of ideology. In the case of piracy, ISK benefits their own selfish wants. Our ideology is aimed at benefiting our whole people. If you were a true Minmatar I would take time to explain to you what that means. Either way, since your values on ISK and ideology are one and the same, my statement stands once more, regardless of how many parrodies I choose to provide. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.11.05 23:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Kyguard Quote: You're starting to sound like Aphox. All these paradoxes and such. No, I'm not saying everyone is a pirate, I am saying that due to non-negotiable demands peace is not a commodity you seriously value. Therefore you're war mongers or terrorists. Pirates of ideology as opposed to ISK. That must have hit like a ton of Tritanium from orbit. You would think so, but apparently sir, you and I have never met. So, you thought wrong. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.11.06 01:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Darius Shakor Then why are we offering an olive branch instead of just declaring a war and getting it over with to 'slake our bloodlust' as some might say? Not much of an olive branch to be honest. Originally by: Darius Shakor We think we would? Point to me a phrase in this thread where we said we think we would... I sure can't see one. We are not the ones with the 'holyer than thou' attitude here. The war is simply a means to an end, nothing more. Well your lot seem to think this ultimatum was pretty merciful, is that incorrect? Originally by: Darius Shakor Maybe, but that too was a response to your demands on them not being met either. So you see, the statement stands all the same, even if the target is different. I thought the only demands AM had at the time were "Stop attacking Amarr." Originally by: Darius Shakor First of all, call me what you will. I have been called worse in my time, and I kind of get used to it after a short time. Not like I want to call people terrorists and war mongers, but you're leaving very little room to manuver. Originally by: Darius Shakor Seccondly, you obviously have not being paying attention all this time when we have stated our views on what constitutes supporting slavers. I've paid full attention. Annoncing it ahead of time dosn't really change anything. Originally by: Darius Shakor They give military aid and co-operation to known slavers in the CVA. As I have said many times, there is no middle ground and a 'we're just friends' attitude when it comes to slavery. Well in that case I hope Huzzah keeps you busy for a very long time. Hopefully they learn the realities of the outer rim territories during this time and are able to repel you. Originally by: Darius Shakor For us there is simply no tollerence for this. The better option for Huzzah would have been to let the CVA rot when they call for help, and lock their doors when the CVA come offering the same. Sure they may suffer against local pirates, but they suffer with honour. Yes, that's one companion that dosn't dissapoint I'm sure Pulgor rolls eyes. Originally by: Darius Shakor But you do not dictate our policy to us, so save your arguments for those willing to hear and compare notes. No, I'll save the dictation of policy for those that have the guns. I just enjoy giving input on the situation and then being accused of thought crimes by those that claim to promote individual freedom. Oh and I see you're feeling nit-picky today so by "Thought Crimes" I mean getting my life threatened multiple times. To my amazing suprise you havn't done it yet. Originally by: Darius Shakor Our ideology is aimed at benefiting our whole people. Either way, since your values on ISK and ideology are one and the same, my statement stands once more, regardless of how many parrodies I choose to provide. I'm not sure I said that, however killing people, both Matar and Amarr so that slaves can spend 20 years in a rehab center learning what "Oats" are, just sounds silly to me. Therefore killing for "Freedom" or ISK is valued on the same level in my view. Reguardless, I don't care about the situation up there enough to do any more then spread my thought crimes against the U'K. Uhm, I wish you an honorable fight up there? I really have no idea how you people say it. ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Krystian	Posted - 2005.11.06 02:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Krystian on 06/11/2005 02:04:49 Krystian ponders to himself as he has recieved word of the Ushra'khan true intent. He sees a shallow attempt to prey on an alliance gripped in war against several pirates in the guise of "liberating slaves". He sees this as only a lie used by Ushra'khan to take advantage of those they deam an easy target. Be careful the line of which you walk, it may tarnish and shadow your alliance as the very fiends you make us out to be. You willingly attack us even tho we harbor no slaves. Then let me ask you Ushra'khan why are you really attacking us? Circumstancial relations with CVA? Nah, you seek an easy mark to quench your blood lust. It has nothing to do with freedom. It's price does not yield freedom but invites chaos and pain upon your fellow Matari and all free living in Providence! NEVER FORGET THAT! We wont lie down for your foolish greedy oversight so easy. If we are to be falsely accused of piracy then so be it. I will personally "free you" from your pods, and your naked frozen corpse will be free. Ceo Krystian The Blood Moon Horde

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