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Gyoker Nightgliders Research 0	Posted - 2011.10.21 22:29:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, I have spent days thinking on this. Let's suppose this situation: you are in a corporation with an active member count of say 15 people. Those 15 people have some PVP experience, have had their share of kills and losses and aren't afraid of new things. However those 15 people are terribly bored of highsec and would like to try something new and exciting, that has potentional to make good ISK and/or provide good PVP possibilities where those 15 people do matter. So here are the things I see right now: - getting into 0.0 isn't easy: NPC 0.0 is controlled by larger entities (Stain Empire) or are just way too hardcore for such small corp to fight for their own space - sov holder alliances will most likely not give us a fighting chance + in such a small corp with limited SP and resources the logistics would be a problem - if we were to get into a 0.0 alliance after all we'd rely on other folks ability and willingness to help us out with logi - so what is left? WH space ... well that is just not something we are interested in - lowsec - sure it has it's buty but how many times have I heard: lowsec is dead... So if a corp wanted to make a move a transition without messing up the entire corp (RL friends together) what options do we have? Maybe more experienced players could give us a hint where to start looking etc... Regards
Mara Abraham The Tuskers 29	Posted - 2011.10.21 22:44:00 - [2] - Quote Good day: There are still good times in low security space either as an anti-pirate force or a pirate force (or a little of both). Thank you. --- Mara Abraham * http://www.factionalwarfare.info/ * http://evepiratelife.com/
Tamiya Sarossa Hedion University Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2011.10.21 22:47:00 - [3] - Quote Lowsec or NPC null. Lowsec is far from 'dead', especially if you pick the right areas, and is probably the best place for you guys to get your feet wet. As for NPC null, I'd like to politely disagree with your assessment: Gyoker wrote: - getting into 0.0 isn't easy: NPC 0.0 is controlled by larger entities (Stain Empire) or are just way too hardcore for such small corp to fight for their own space I've been in NPC null and had a blast in a corp with five active members, and done it solo as well. Once you're familiar with the locals and who will cause trouble, it's pretty easy to pick out who you can fight and who you have to avoid. There is a lot of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path. Get logistics sorted - either in corp player with a carrier/JF, or Black Frog stuff out. Either one makes your life much easier, and once you're settled in Null with your clones, you can't really get kicked out. It's pretty easy to live under the feet of bigger powers in NPC null where they can't control docking, and you'll have plenty of opportuntities for pew.
Gyoker Nightgliders Research 0	Posted - 2011.10.21 22:54:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: There is a lot of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path. What exactly does that mean? I am have sort of troulbe understanding what you meant by that.. Could you give some specific pointers what you meant? Also things to consider: having fun pewpewing is great and we love to do it as long as we have proper means to cover for our losses which I take will be more than the kills especially in the early days or weeks. Do you think that NPC 0.0 can support us in that too?
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2011.10.22 01:18:00 - [5] - Quote Join FW.
Gyoker Nightgliders Research 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 11:08:00 - [6] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Join FW. We actually thought of this... This would open up a lot of opportunities, however I do have some question. If we join FW, say Amarr, are we going to have a place to relatively safely do missions to covert for pewpew? Missions being our single source of income at this point it is very interesting to know if we would be able to make enough to pewpew. If we were to mission in highsec while in FW, can we expect enemy FW members to fly through our highsec successfully and destroy us?
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 79	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:12:00 - [7] - Quote Participate in FW, R&B, roams to lowsec or 0.0, while you recruit more people and grow. At, say, 40-50+ members, and with a decent KB record, start looking for a proper 0.0 alliance to join.
Blastier 9	Posted - 2011.10.22 18:46:00 - [8] - Quote From CCP's point of view, you don't exist and if you did then why aren't you on the CSM? hmm?
Feligast GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 300	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:05:00 - [9] - Quote Gyoker wrote: Quote: There is a lot of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path. What exactly does that mean? I am have sort of troulbe understanding what you meant by that.. Could you give some specific pointers what you meant? Also things to consider: having fun pewpewing is great and we love to do it as long as we have proper means to cover for our losses which I take will be more than the kills especially in the early days or weeks. Do you think that NPC 0.0 can support us in that too? http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Venal OR even more specifically, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/H-PA29
Super Chair Hell's Revenge 18	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:07:00 - [10] - Quote Gyoker wrote: Goose99 wrote: Join FW. We actually thought of this... This would open up a lot of opportunities, however I do have some question. If we join FW, say Amarr, are we going to have a place to relatively safely do missions to covert for pewpew? Missions being our single source of income at this point it is very interesting to know if we would be able to make enough to pewpew. If we were to mission in highsec while in FW, can we expect enemy FW members to fly through our highsec successfully and destroy us? If you join faction war you will want to take advantage of the faction war missions. Yes they are lowsec missions that anyone can warp to but in comparison to level 4's in highsec, they complete much faster (ie you only kill one battleship rat instead of 30, for instance) with a much higher LP payout. FW missions are lucrative enough that you can buy multitudes of ships and still be making isk. Enemy militia can find and kill you while you mission in highsec, the navies arent that good at protecting you (lookup loren gallen's killboard to see what i mean). Despite all this I think FW is the best way to get your toes wet with with pvp. In nullsec you have to worry about logistics (having enough supplies) afk cloakers and such. If you pvp in lowsec you're still very close to empire so you can get supplies anytime you want and you don't have to worry about owning a jump freighter or carrier to move stuff around.

Caldain Morrow The Reavers Externus Hostis 3	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote Gyoker wrote: Quote: There is a lot of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path. What exactly does that mean? I am have sort of troulbe understanding what you meant by that.. Could you give some specific pointers what you meant? Also things to consider: having fun pewpewing is great and we love to do it as long as we have proper means to cover for our losses which I take will be more than the kills especially in the early days or weeks. Do you think that NPC 0.0 can support us in that too? When I was doing FW I only got ganked in High sec once. Then I learned to keep an eye on the local. Also, most of my loses in FW doing missions were to pirate gate camps in low sec. I only got blobbed once by a FW fleet. I was only there for a few months but it was alot of fun and I've since been looking hard at going back.
Super Chair Hell's Revenge 21	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:58:00 - [12] - Quote check your inbox
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 12	Posted - 2011.10.23 08:33:00 - [13] - Quote If you're thinking about joining the Amarr FW, then yes you can high sec mission and at the same time be hunted by those that seek such players. However low sec missions give out such an insane income level around 300m an hour if done right. You wont want to high sec mission anymore. Speaking as someone in Amarr there is a pretty damn safe entry system to low sec for amarr called Kamela. I know this because I live there. Minnies sometimes come in, and so do the odd pirate gang but they're normally friendlies rushing around killing them. Most of the Amarr live a further two jumps inside the low sec pipe in Houla. This system has both WTs and Pirates living inside it, so if you're really new to the FW system best not to jump right into living in hostal low sec. Kamela or Kourmonen are nice systems to live in. Lots of Friendlies around. FW for a solo guy is hard to break into because not many people will pick up General into fleets, doing it as a corp mean you already have 15 guys to roam with. Which in of itself will have other FCs and corps hitting you up to roam. FW for the most part is small scale pvp, 15 guys would be a good fleet and you would soon find someone to shoot at.
Gyoker Nightgliders Research 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 11:30:00 - [14] - Quote Ohh WOW! You guys were extremely helpful. I must tell you that I got a bunch of mails in my inbox giving me specific instructions on what to do and what not to do. I must say that I was kind of surprised by that, as well it made me feel that the small guys do matter in EVE to other players even if we are nothing in the eyes of CCP :) You gave me a lot to think about. We are very much considering FW right now. Having lived so far in caldari and amarr space, I think it's logical we join either of those, maybe Amarr. :) As well that would mean that we could venture sometimes in 0.0, see what it's like, Providence would open up to us so I believe it is a choice we might go for. As well I got a lot of help on clearing up a few things about WHs and what are the advantages. If we are not going for FW, we'll look into finding an empty c3 or similar. :) Once again: THANKS
Silence iKillYouu The Innocent Criminals 37	Posted - 2011.10.24 08:39:00 - [15] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Join FW. BTW jsut cause someone says Lowsec is dead. dosent mean its true. How about u come down to huola and find out And yes Join FW make new freinds
Gyoker Nightgliders Research 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 11:35:00 - [16] - Quote Silence iKillYouu wrote: Goose99 wrote: Join FW. BTW jsut cause someone says Lowsec is dead. dosent mean its true. How about u come down to huola and find out And yes Join FW make new freinds Ohh no, he has gas!
tofucake prime The Hatchery Team Liquid 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 19:32:00 - [17] - Quote Molden Heath and Lonetrek are 2 pretty active lowsec regions. Here's how you get better at this game, starting from a highsec bear base: 1. Move to lowsec 2. Shoot everything 3. When you stop losing fights and/or nobody will fight you anymore, move to a new region 4. See 2 5. Start invading null and hitting hornets' nests with bats 6. When you stop losing fights and/or nobody will fight you anymore, move to a new region 7. See 5 8. You have won EVE
Borun Tal Space Pods Inc 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 20:15:00 - [18] - Quote There are still plenty of things to do; only you know what your people are willing to dive into. Take an informal poll asking for their input (you're small enough that listening to them is actually a good thing), and see how it works. Plenty to do in WH space; you don't have to put up a tower in the beginning, just farm some good combat sites. As already mentioned, lots of fun in FW: you basically have to live in low/null. Plenty of gang fights if you're up for it, decent LP payout for FW missioning,etc. Set up your pilots with jump clones and they can pop out into safe high sec for missioning if they like. As for null, don't bother joining a null alliance because you'll either be a pet for a sov holder, fodder for fleet fights, or just paying outrageous prices to rent. I'd suggest FW, but it's not for everyone. Plenty of opportunity for young/growing corps in low.
Borun Tal Space Pods Inc 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 20:18:00 - [19] - Quote tofucake prime wrote: 5. Start invading null and hitting hornets' nests with bats That, sir, is epic. Well said.
Party Lips Blackened Skies 0	Posted - 2011.10.25 14:16:00 - [20] - Quote yeah FW is your best bet. touch your KB up and get 25-30 active pilots. then move to npc 0.0 (get blue standings to who is in control of the area.)

grumpyguts1 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2011.10.25 18:46:00 - [21] - Quote Look in the recruitment thread, there are some 0.0 alliances looking for corps to join them.
Deen Wispa Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2011.10.26 18:53:00 - [22] - Quote A small gang of 15 pvpers is most ideal for FW as others have said. Assuming decent TZ coverage, 1-2 competent FCs, fearless pilots, and minimal carebearing, you can be very competitive and rise to the ranks of top corps within your faction in a several months. It can be the best move you'll ever make. I have alot of corp management experience and I will say that you can't please all 15 people. So some people will be dissatisfied and will move on. I did live in a c3 as well and if you move the entire corp in, make sure you have good TZ coverage otherwise your corp will die out
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate 26	Posted - 2011.10.29 17:09:00 - [23] - Quote Gyoker wrote: Goose99 wrote: Join FW. We actually thought of this... This would open up a lot of opportunities, however I do have some question. If we join FW, say Amarr, are we going to have a place to relatively safely do missions to covert for pewpew? Missions being our single source of income at this point it is very interesting to know if we would be able to make enough to pewpew. If we were to mission in highsec while in FW, can we expect enemy FW members to fly through our highsec successfully and destroy us? Run FW missions instead. More isk.
Party Lips Blackened Skies 1	Posted - 2011.10.29 22:34:00 - [24] - Quote Understand the basics and they will take you far: 1. If members are not having fun then they will leave pure and simple 2. Logistics. this means your members have ways to make decent isk and able to move ships convienantly to the front for pvp. 3. offer opportunities for advancement within the corp. give room for leaders to grow allow other members to FC.
Arazel Chainfire Fury Lords Apex United 11	Posted - 2011.10.31 03:28:00 - [25] - Quote 15 men? find a C2 or C4+ and move in, look for a good C2/C3 static. Lots of people live in C2's and C3's, which means that you can generally get pvp, and usually manage it on a decent level. My alliance manages about 5 regularly active pilots in WH space, and we can easilly pull out billions (1 C3 static we raided pulled in 440mil, split between those of us who went out flying). With a static C3, we can pull that several times a day if we so desired. However, when we get fully active, with a dozen or more people on, we can cycle the c3 every hour, and with each new one either run it, cycle it again, or find out its active and see if we can't make the inhabitants go hide in their POS (or if you're lucky/good, kill them). If you get a C2 with a highsec static, you are guaranteed to get a decent amount of traffic, and you usually can manage to either attack people who are solo or are small gang (like 5 people or so). Another alternative is that you can get something like a lowsec static, and then go out the static exit whenever you want and randomly attack people in lowsec. Or of course you can do the hole FW thing, as most of these other people have suggested -Arazel
RUSROG Beasts of Burden 77	Posted - 2011.10.31 06:11:00 - [26] - Quote Gyoker wrote: Hi, Stuff Regards Hey, head into a lowsec with death in mind. If you want some spots, I can guarantee some fights in - mail me. -áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day.
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous 29	Posted - 2011.10.31 07:52:00 - [27] - Quote Three options come to mind with FW being the most obvious. FW provides better income than high sec lvl4's, doesn't require huge amounts of SP and is pretty laid back as a whole. It really encourages corp fleets of 10 or so rather than massive blobs, although there are certainly plenty of general militia fleets too. Most of the action takes place only a short trip from major trade hubs as well, so resupply couldn't be easier. Another option is taking over a low sec mission hub (or potential hub). Such a system will have at least one lvl4 agent for a desirable npc corp (ideally more), some manufacturing slots in system or close by and a storyline agent in the area. You make your isk just as you would in high sec but the difference is you'll periodically find people passing through or looking for some action. When that happens you drop what you're doing and go meet them. Once they've left, you go back to missioning or whatever until the next set of targets show up. You won't get a huge amount of action this way, but you will get some so long as you keep scout alts scattered around so you have some warning of inbound targets. Be sure about the system you move into however, your first low sec system should be an empty (or nearly empty) one in your TZ. Trying to invade an occupied system your first time out will almost certainly result in an embarrassing defeat. Fortunately for you, the vast majority of low sec systems with good agents are currently unoccupied. So finding your own first home is a pretty simple task. The final obvious option is w-space. The mechanics of wh's make it difficult to move large fleets through, so 10-15 active pilots on in the same time zone should be able to defend your system assuming a basic degree of competence. Like low sec missioning, you'll mostly do pve but you'll drop what you're doing for pvp whenever a target is spotted. Also like low sec, you're success will be based largely on scouting. So you will want a few prober alts poking their heads into linked systems. Once again, this shouldn't be a problem though, out of 15 active guys I'm sure you can get at least one dedicated prober alt on.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery 13	Posted - 2011.10.31 08:55:00 - [28] - Quote Factional warfare is the way to go, IMO, for all the reasons listed above. However, you can still find hisec PVP alliances which will take a small group of guys like yours. I've heard AD0PT are fading, but they can still provide you with boatloads of pew pew. Lowsec PVP, otherwise known as Piracy, you will need to be comfortable with your sec status going deep red. This can make ISK hard to come by in some situations. This is best suited to people with plenty of ISK and alts and/or who don't run on PLEX. Its not my kettle of fish, but there's nothing wrong with being neg 10. You will probably find that not all your guys will want to or be able to do this. Wormhole space has been more or less killed by Incursions. I wouldn't bother. You won't find PVP without hours of probing and scanning and it can be frustrating if it all slips away due to being on scan at the wrong moment. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu


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