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Praxis Ginimic 325	Posted - 2013.06.05 11:52:00 - [1] - Quote This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you?
Tinu Moorhsum Random Events 195	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:03:00 - [2] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you? Do you mean for pimping your Avatar or RL swag? Personally, I'm cold to the idea either way but then again, I'm more a man of substance than style.
Praxis Ginimic 325	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:10:00 - [3] - Quote I mean rl swag. I happen to be an artist and a designer with the tools connections & skill to produce almost anything. I work in jewelery and accessories specializing in leather but I also do clothing. I specified "uber space rich" because the (very loose/only conceptual at this stage) idea would be to make limited runs of very highquality goods to trade for plex
RAW23 144	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:36:00 - [4] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: I specified "uber space rich" because the (very loose/only conceptual at this stage) idea would be to make limited runs of very highquality goods to trade for plex. I suspect you will find that this is against the EULA, as it will consist in exchanging goods with an out of game value for isk. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
RAW23 144	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:37:00 - [5] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: As a man who works in the fashion industry, I can with some authority that there is plenty of substance in style & whats more, being a man of substance is always in style This line is stylish but completely lacking in substance. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
HalfArse Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:45:00 - [6] - Quote plus wouldnt there be a copyright issue? making and selling stuff with eve logos/images etc?
Praxis Ginimic 325	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:58:00 - [7] - Quote HalfArse wrote: plus wouldnt there be a copyright issue? making and selling stuff with eve logos/images etc? It wouldn't apply. 1. I'm not making and actual currency 2. I wouldn't use EVE's logo or branding 3. The fashion industry is free of copyright laws & utility patents. Only trademarks apply (see 2.) @Raw You may have a point with the EULA. I did just get off of a 12hr shift so maybe I will take some time to study the document and reassess after a nap.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 196	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:34:00 - [8] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you? If CCP were offering real world items for ISK, PLEX, AURUM or whatever then I would happily buy them. Personally, I would be more interested in things like Graphics Cards, Laptops, Gaming PCs, peripherals and the EVE collectors edition than clothing. But that is a world away from exchanging isk for bootleg clothes in a likely EULA breaking transaction.
Max Wager Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 15	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:18:00 - [9] - Quote It really depends on what you make. If you make tacky looking poorly fitting shirts, then no I wouldn't take them if you paid me. The problem with EVE paraphernalia is that my EVE addiction is not really something I run around to people bragging about. I would definitely buy computer upgrades for isk.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1167	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:33:00 - [10] - Quote between the EULA, quality expectations and copyright issues, i imagine the niche for your venture to be very thin. i am still curious about how this will turn out though. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF

Grendell Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering 695	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:35:00 - [11] - Quote I'd agree with BB, computer/gaming related things I would happily trade for PLEX. When CPP had that video card offer for PLEX I was one of the lucky few who got one. Not because I needed the video card mine was already better, but it was for the fact I could. I gave that card away to a friend. Gùä[GÖÑ]Gû¦ 3rd Party Service Gùä[GÖÑ]Gû¦ GÖÑ Securing Peace of mind GÖÑ Loans available
Praxis Ginimic 325	Posted - 2013.06.05 20:40:00 - [12] - Quote Interesting. I personally embrace my inner nerd. Lets be honest, its an outer nerd. As far as gaming gear goes I guess I could do custom vinyls for laptops and cases. I know I can do mouse pads but thats tacky. To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD.
Adunh Slavy 924	Posted - 2013.06.05 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD. Approach CCP, ask them about royalties and what not.
Praxis Ginimic 325	Posted - 2013.06.06 02:22:00 - [14] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: Approach CCP, ask them about royalties and what not. The concept of royalties doesn't apply as I'm not RMT'ing & if I were the answer would certainly be no. I can't really see CCP asking for a cut of any ISK I might make. I can however see going through with the plan, underground, and finding thqt CCP demand ALL of my ISK leaving me in the negative for hundreds of millions. That would suck. The real question here is wether or not I'm inducing the EULA clause having to do with RMT by encouraging others to transfer in game content for out of game items. The issue is that by utilizing high level meta gaming to route game mechanics with skills and resources that others may not possess puts said others at a stark disadvantage in the ISK race. Having perused the EVE store however, their swag is utterly lacking in swagger. Perhaps I will contact CCP just to see if they want to buy my designs for their own RMT efforts. Hell, I would even sell to CCP direct for PLEX. If they used the overstock they hold from permabanned accounts it could be a pretty sweet deal for the both of us.
Adunh Slavy 927	Posted - 2013.06.06 04:19:00 - [15] - Quote I would imagine, for tax and legal reasons, they'd not be able to pay you in PLEX. But you could buy PLEX. What have you got to loose? All they can do is say no.
O'nira Thorn Project Surely You're Joking 1	Posted - 2013.06.06 12:44:00 - [16] - Quote Isn't this the same as paying someone isk for designing a logo for your website/killboard or is that illegal as well perhaps?
Boomhaur 129	Posted - 2013.06.06 13:03:00 - [17] - Quote Closest thing I'd get is something along the lines of a Kershaw Cryo with a proper brown/rust type coating with a Rifter on the handle. It's a knife for those you who don't know. Or even better the Cryo II when that is released, same thing but instead larger 2.75in vs 3.38in blade off memory. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
RAW23 148	Posted - 2013.06.06 13:06:00 - [18] - Quote O'nira wrote: Isn't this the same as paying someone isk for designing a logo for your website/killboard or is that illegal as well perhaps? CCP make limited exceptions to their policy when it comes to out-of-game services that are directly related to in-game use or functionality. I doubt they would make a similar exception for items that would have a transferable out of game value (a silver eve ring, for example), since this would be tantamount to legitimising RMT by the back door. 1) Use isk to buy something that has intrinsic non-eve-related value value but has an eve logo on it. 2) Then sell the item for real money to someone who wants it for its intrinsic value and doesn't care about the eve logo. Essentially, I would have traded isk for cash via a middleman. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Ireland VonVicious Vendetta Syndicate 153	Posted - 2013.06.06 23:08:00 - [19] - Quote If this was to work I think Eve would just allow you to use the Eve store items with plex. That would inflate the hell out of plex though. So my real question to you is. If it's Eve related swag wouldn't it need to use Eve logo's and such. (( Like the other Eve stuff I already own? )) Or would it be just generic clothes made to look like in game Eve items? (( I can already buy black/white/red addias and fast and furious 6 stuff at the mall )) I'm not sure exactly what customer base you are looking for. If you have good look a like gear on the jackets and shirts and maybe the not so tight pants it might be worth buying. (( Not so baggy black cargo pants as an example )) Your toon looks to be just young enough to have missed the old eve store. It had a lot of swag. (( I got multiple gurrista items, blood raider shirts, amarr key chain, art books, coaster, plenty of other nerdy items even patches and playing cards )) They shut down the store back in October. Was horrible timing as it was right before Christmas and I had to change my entire list. I think you should approach them about what you can do and see if they like your stuff enough to add you as a vendor. They use to do laptop covers as well. Pretty sure that market already got saturated. If CCP didn't think it was worth it to keep stuff on the store due to lack of sells it might be hard to find a customer base at all.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4169	Posted - 2013.06.07 01:45:00 - [20] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: Interesting. I personally embrace my inner nerd. Lets be honest, its an outer nerd. As far as gaming gear goes I guess I could do custom vinyls for laptops and cases. I know I can do mouse pads but thats tacky. To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD. RMT = super forbidden (insta perma ban). You are not directly money trading but you are still value trading. The act of giving a RL valued good for a CCP property = trading the good equivalent value = money for CCP property = RMT. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel

Ireland VonVicious Vendetta Syndicate 153	Posted - 2013.06.07 02:36:00 - [21] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Praxis Ginimic wrote: Interesting. I personally embrace my inner nerd. Lets be honest, its an outer nerd. As far as gaming gear goes I guess I could do custom vinyls for laptops and cases. I know I can do mouse pads but thats tacky. To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD. RMT = super forbidden (insta perma ban). You are not directly money trading but you are still value trading. The act of giving a RL valued good for a CCP property = trading the good equivalent value = money for CCP property = RMT. I think it's against the law in the U.S. too. As they expect to tax this type of transaction. I'd expect jail time if taxes based on value of the plex was not paid.
Praxis Ginimic 327	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:03:00 - [22] - Quote Ireland VonVicious wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Praxis Ginimic wrote: Interesting. I personally embrace my inner nerd. Lets be honest, its an outer nerd. As far as gaming gear goes I guess I could do custom vinyls for laptops and cases. I know I can do mouse pads but thats tacky. To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD. RMT = super forbidden (insta perma ban). You are not directly money trading but you are still value trading. The act of giving a RL valued good for a CCP property = trading the good equivalent value = money for CCP property = RMT. I think it's against the law in the U.S. too. As they expect to tax this type of transaction. I'd expect jail time if taxes based on value of the plex was not paid. Its not actually against the law in the US. I wear a lot of hats in my little business and I can tell you from experience that small businesses trade goods & services all the time. I always put such trades on our books. It just goes in as $ value & the IRS accepts that just like real cash transactions. To answer some other questions: the shirts in the EVE store are just plain lame. I have a few ideas that are much better. Being mega nern who works in the fashion industry allows me to see clearly how to combine our shared spaceship geekiness with style. The trick will be to tap into EVE's rich history of player created content. It is certainly clear that my idea would violate the EULA so it isn't going to happen but perhaps I will make a few shirts and hold a contest of some sort so that I'm not asking for anything but just giving them away. Then if I get enough traction I will contact CCP to see if they want to buy my designs.
Praxis Ginimic 327	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:15:00 - [23] - Quote If you are actually interested in seeing what I can do and maybe winning some cool EVE related swag (at least as "cool" as anything EVE related can be) then subscribe to the thread. I am a busy man so don't expect anything soon but I will get around to it...soon(tm) If I see you post or like any part of this thread then your name will go into the drawing for free stuff.
Zappity Kurved Space 109	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:10:00 - [24] - Quote Yes I would but no comment on whether it would breach trademark or other IP. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Hemmo Paskiainen Aliastra Gallente Federation 420	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:21:00 - [25] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you? Yes, but only ifs made by a redhead. CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS [url]http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9679/whatihavedoneineve.jpg[/url]
Praxis Ginimic 328	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:21:00 - [26] - Quote Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Praxis Ginimic wrote: This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you? Yes, but only ifs made by a redhead. I happen to know a very good looking red headed step child. I will be sure to involve her
Obunagawe 130	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:20:00 - [27] - Quote Yes I would definitely re-sell it on ebay.
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 247	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:12:00 - [28] - Quote Wouldn't buy EVE-stuff per se, but unique Dynasphere goodies would be nice. (...nice thing for corp member birthdays.) Have been looking for a ring designer etc for a time. I know a very talented lady in Berlin who does custom rings and other jewelry. But it never hurts to have a look at other artist. Sorry for being short. In fight.
Ireland VonVicious Vendetta Syndicate 155	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:29:00 - [29] - Quote Did you see the old eve store before they closed it down?
Praxis Ginimic 329	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:55:00 - [30] - Quote Ireland VonVicious wrote: Did you see the old eve store before they closed it down? Yes I did. And honestly, I wasn't impressed. They have great graphic designers at CCP but they shouldn't let them design shirts. Its ok to be a nerd and still have style, you know?



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