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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:11:00 -
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You know what? This is all a fuss about nothing.
The US, UK, Australia and a few other Anglo-Saxon nations share something the media call "ECHELON", which is actually just SIGINT. It was used extensively during the cold war. We have quite a few listening stations here in the UK. It's not a surprise to me that the NSA, MI5 and everyone else is listening in to everyone's communications.
The difference today is that there's so much SIGINT, you really can't do it unless you record everything and then mine it later.
Here's where I stand:
(1) I have no problem with Intelligence Services of the Anglosphere listening to and recording my data BUT, they should do it under supervision of appropriate committees, chaired by democratically elected representatives.
(2) The Police should only have access to it by court order.
(3) Local Councils/apparatchiks should under no circumstances ever have access to it.
My view  . |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:48:00 -
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Kurfin wrote:
There is a balance between safety and liberty, and you will rarely find two people who agree on where the correct balance lies.
Quite right.
Quote:People: "Oh Government, protect us from evildoers. If you don't, we'll vote you out."
Government: "OK"
People, "Why are you doing surveillance and collecting SIGINT????!"
It really makes no sense to me. However, this article by Mic Wright did make me think about it.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:41:00 -
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jason hill wrote:
Canada and new zealand
Please forgive me. I didn't mean to leave out these important Anglosphere nations, especially as one day I'd like to live in one of them  .
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:45:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:People need to watch the full interview with Edward Snowden here.This guy is not a crazy. Or a partisan. He's not some bitter traitor like Bradley Manning. He warns about exactly the concern I had earlier in the thread.
If I were him, I would have retained my honour, not betrayed my country, left my job to satisfy my sense of morality and lobbied for changes to law without giving the entire game away. Like Assange, this guy is just an attention seeker who wants everyone to know he's some kind of a big shot.
The most surprising thing that comes from this is the inadequacy of the NSA's psychological profiling of the people it employs.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:54:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:This guy had access to an absolutely enormous amount of material. If he wanted to do a Bradley Manning, he could have done it by one or two orders of magnitude.
That doesn't mean he isn't a douche. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2013.06.10 23:02:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:
I am not ordinarily one to be politically proactive or a conspiracy theorist, but the existence of such a program is worrying as it now stands, how deep does the rabbit hole go? Wrapping my head around the data so far it doesn't seem as bad as was first indicated, but still somewhat unsettling.
Watch Haigh's statement to the commons today (on iPlayer, BBC Parliament). He makes it crystal clear what's going on. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:07:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:
What's going to happen to the Congressman he contacts? They're going to get a phone call from the NSA letting them know they have the receipt of the Thai ladyboy locked away in their basement.
What nonsense.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:45:00 -
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How hilarious that this gigantic douche has betrayed his own country, friends, girlfriend, family over what he says is a civil liberties issue and is thinking of running to Russia, where journalists who uncover corruption are routinely murdered by gunmen on motorbikes. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.12 08:01:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Rain6637 wrote:but really, chances are he's delusional. as in, he thinks of himself as an irl Ben Affleck in Hunt for Red October. Strange how a delusional man has attracted the full attention of the American surveillance state.
Has he? He worked for the intelligence services. He's now telling everyone what everyone knew already, "Shocking! The US does intelligence gathering. It even gets people drunk in far away places and tries to recruit them as agents! This is morally wrong!".
Is this guy for real? He's a massive idiot and needs a gigantic boot up the backside. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:19:00 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
- Aside from those backdoors the NSA has at US companies' servers, the NSA also hacks into network backbones, giving them access to "hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one".
Security Services hack network backbones? No ****! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
The US is currently diplomatically "bullying" Hong Kong to have him extradited.
The US has an extradition treaty with Hong Kong. By "bullying" I assume you mean "extradite a criminal back to the US".
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
PRISM has been used for years to hack and spy on people and institutions in China (and yet, all we hear is the US government constantly whining about the Chinese doing likewise).
What? Western security services try to hack Chinese networks? Again, no ****! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Organised by... The Communist Party of China and their representatives, no doubt.
Really, you are an utter, utter, utter, fool Malaclypse Muscaria.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:10:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:If he came to France he would probably be given a medal for services to the public interest.
Is that why we're constantly being bombarded with "whistle-blowers" working for the Direction centrale du renseignement int+¬rieur spilling the beans about French intelligence activities?
No, I didn't think so either. The only difference between the two is the French seem better able to control the morons they employ and prevent them from "going rogue". The NSA and CIA really need to up their game with recruitment. |
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