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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:33:00 -
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At the moment Jita holds to much influence in the marketplace and is overcrowded. I know that in the past you have tried to remedy this situation, i dont know what measures you took but i have a suggestion that may solve or at least somewhat alleviate the problem.
Make high sec basically 'donut' shaped. The problem right now is that you basically created a superhighway from Amarr to Jita thus tying together 2 of the 4 races in close proximity.
If you removed the center of high sec and essentially made high sec round with no central crossways i think the relative importance of Jita would fall and so would Jita congestion.
Making high sec round would almost assuredly prevent another 'Jita' arising in some other location since no place on a circle has and advantage over any other place. |
Shang Ghjuvan
Not Another Acronym
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:57:00 -
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Unfortunately Jita is too well established for this to work. I think Jita works the way it is believe it or not because amarr is now getting some of the load since jita is so crowded. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:02:00 -
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Other suggestions are on this thread Raise Jita cap by any means necessary!
EDIT: We also used to have "Super Highways" but these were removed circa 2004 that enabled faster travel. It's not the travel that makes Jita so popular it's the reputation and while it holds true to be the lowest priced market it will always remain the same. My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:29:00 -
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Shang Ghjuvan wrote:Unfortunately Jita is too well established for this to work. I think Jita works the way it is believe it or not because amarr is now getting some of the load since jita is so crowded.
At one time it was said the sun never sets on the English Empire, that statement no longer holds true. At one time America was the undisputed world leader in commerce, that is no longer true either.
The point here is that when circumstances change; as a circular high sec would entail, then slowly people change their behavior to the new reality. I understand what you are saying but i still think a circular high sec would win out in the end and Jita would fall to become roughly equal to the other major trade hubs like Rens, Dodixie and Amarr.
Do i expect the change to happen in weeks or months, probably not but a year....perhaps! |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:38:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Other suggestions are on this thread Raise Jita cap by any means necessary!EDIT: We also used to have "Super Highways" but these were removed circa 2004 that enabled faster travel. It's not the travel that makes Jita so popular it's the reputation and while it holds true to be the lowest priced market it will always remain the same.
I saw the other post you quote i did not read it because it's title assumes the solution to Jita is cramming more people into it, which is just the opposite of my solution which seeks to reduce the importance of Jita and thus reduce the number of people even wanting to go there in the first place.
I do not doubt they removed 'most' superhighways as you suggest but one still remains and it connects Amarr with Jita a mere 7 or 8 jumps where it takes like 14 from Dodixie and a similar or larger number of jumps from Rens.
As far as the reputation argument I think it holds up to some degree but as i mentioned in response to the other persons post if highsec where made circular in time i feel confident that the 'Jita is the place to go" mystic would fade, I think in about a year or so we would see a significant transfer of commerce away from Jita and out towards markets like Dodixie, Amarr and Rens and to a lesser extent their neighboring markets like Hek and Tash-Murkon Prime. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:08:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Shang Ghjuvan wrote:Unfortunately Jita is too well established for this to work. I think Jita works the way it is believe it or not because amarr is now getting some of the load since jita is so crowded. At one time it was said the sun never sets on the English Empire, that statement no longer holds true. At one time America was the undisputed world leader in commerce, that is no longer true either. The point here is that when circumstances change; as a circular high sec would entail, then slowly people change their behavior to the new reality. I understand what you are saying but i still think a circular high sec would win out in the end and Jita would fall to become roughly equal to the other major trade hubs like Rens, Dodixie and Amarr. Do i expect the change to happen in weeks or months, probably not but a year....perhaps!
By that argument though, doing nothing or reducing the max number of people in Jita would, over the timespan you're talking, do the same thing.
The more people get fed up with not being able to get into Jita the less it will be used as a trade hub and the more people will go to the other (and there are some) trade hubs.
So CCP could garner the same affect over the same time period by simply reducing the player cap to, say, 1000 at any one time. Much easier to do for them. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:25:00 -
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Quote: By that argument though, doing nothing or reducing the max number of people in Jita would, over the timespan you're talking, do the same thing.
The more people get fed up with not being able to get into Jita the less it will be used as a trade hub and the more people will go to the other (and there are some) trade hubs.
So CCP could garner the same affect over the same time period by simply reducing the player cap to, say, 1000 at any one time. Much easier to do for them.
Setting a limit of 1000 people in Jita doesnt solve the Jita problem per se. What would happen 'Jita' would simply shift itself over one solar system and spring up again, the solar system would have a different name but the problem would remain, perhaps Perimeter would be the new "jita".
Only making high sec circular with say 20 jumps between each races starting zones would could you prevent another Jita from arising some other place. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:30:00 -
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[quote=Maldiro Selkurk]Quote: Setting a limit of 1000 people in Jita doesnt solve the Jita problem per se. What would happen 'Jita' would simply shift itself over one solar system and spring up again, the solar system would have a different name but the problem would remain, perhaps Perimeter would be the new "jita".
Only making high sec circular with say 20 jumps between each races starting zones would could you prevent another Jita from arising some other place.
I'm sorry but I don't see why setting high sec as a circle would make any difference. Jita would still be Jita. There wouldn't really be any difference to now. How would making it a circle change the way people thing in regards to Jita?
However, if you dropped the limit on Jita would people move one system over? Well, some might but others (and I would argue the majority of thinking players) would move to another trade hub rather than trying to create another. Jita is merely one of a few trade hubs. The others are already establishes although not as popular as Jita so most people would migrate to one of those instead of trying to create a new one.
This is all conjecture and opinion, though. None of us can state with any accuracy what the mob would do under any given circumstances.
Edited mod to mob as meaning was lost with initial mis-spelling. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:44:00 -
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Doughnut suggestion is interesting, but wont work. CCP already tired once to discourage players from using hub in (IIRC) Yulai system that gave birth to Jita as we know it now. If they were to tweak something again, players will find new convenient place to turn into hub.
Doughnut highsec distribution goes well with suggestion of low-sec separated empires. I may say they are same with a little different flavoring. |
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