I'm not against hotdrops but the gank mechanic it has attached with the near instant jump to a tackled target. If you can't hold the ship in place for 30 seconds or so to get a second toon with a cyno on grid you dont deserve that kill.
If people see a solo guy on intel and what he's in and figure they can take it solo there might be a whole lot more guys sticking around that figure they can take a guy in their pve ship.
If they dont dock pve ships with neuts in local they are gonna derp their way out of station irregardless of cyno changes. Claiming you wont get kills because they will hide just doesnt sound reasonable.

Geezus, this is getting durptarded, the amount of repetition in some peoples lingo is just.....

Think up something original for goodness sake, omg, i can not watch this severe lack of originality youth these days are suffering from.

On and on using the same comment, on Youtube "First comment" or "240p we meet again", STFU PLEASE!!!!!!!!

THINK UP SOMETHING ORIGINAL FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting a little boring having solo ships wander around and hotdropping 10+ guys onto solo cruisers. I think if a ship lights a cyno it should not be able to commit any hostile actions. Should be easy enough to make the ship have a maximum lockable target value of 0 when a cynosural module is activated. Gives a few seconds to try and warp off before getting blobbed.
It wouldn't have much effect on dropping into an engaged fight either as things are already tackled, but it will slightly negate the guys that only want risk free kills and never take fleets on roams to hunt targets for fear of running into a similar sized fleet that spotted them. "Alright I'm going to lose. Cyno lit" is far too common.
Some guys will literally go roaming on unaffiliated alts looking for fights, and as soon as something geos wrong they will bridge in all their toons over in dps alpha ships and stomp up. Usually if there's a drop as soon as the fight engages the tackled ship is dead before other guys that were already in system even land meaning the best way to pad a killboard is to sit on a titan, and maybe play another game until it's time to play eve for a few minutes.

Hotdropping is the instant action button for eve where you have a group of guys humping a titan for hours on end and then bashing their heads against their keyboards for 10 seconds.

I can agree to this on one condition:

Only people docked in an outpost can see the local list.
Or people who are currently behind the shield of a POS, but only for those systems with no outpost handy.

That way it takes teamwork and effort to have intel too.

All that would turn into is a bunch of people recycling trial alts to have local. Shouldnt this be reserved for the no local threads?

Just another example of a have-not getting mad at the haves.

^^

Agreed

Nothing makes my eyes bleed more than nerds thinking they are cool by repeatedly stating the same thing one original person posted sometime in the past.

I wouldn't mind actually skinning the First comment people alive.
If only it weren't illegal.

Suggesting it should be a seperate thread? That's like saying you pay for a sandwich, but the bread is a seperate charge.

Hot Dropping- Local chat - and cloaking are the unholy three way. They affect each other to the point where you must acknowledge any change to one as having an obvious impact on the others.

Without hot dropping, pve targets maybe just fit a tank, maybe a couple of stabs, and they just leave if they think more trouble than they can handle is coming. At no point can they be stopped or hunted, but you might catch one of they screw up.

Without cloaking, as an untraceable defense, any threats to pve would just get swept out the door as needed, and sov blocks would be solidly entrenched.

Without local, players would need to actually work together to generate intel up to a level that would be usable. Only a fool points out this intel does not exist reliably, since local prevents it being in demand. Only versions covering regions and multiple systems exists, and those work quite nicely, thank you very much.

I want to do mining without the absolutes present, so it can be fun.

Point to which hole on the doll that the cyno ship violated.

Forum ate my post...
Anywho starting over...
The matter IS unrelated as unfortunately it opens a whole new can of worms to fix a mechanic that is already unbalanced. Covops blobs would just replace bridging and promote even more boring gameplay.
Saying people will fit stabs on pve ships is just reaching as that can already be done to the same effect.

Cyno mechanics are some of the worst mechanics ever witnessed in any mmo... The overwhelming effectiveness of this module/tactic is not counterbalanced well or really even at all. The simple fact that this issue has not been addressed or even really commented on is a surefire indicator that ccp is Bad, and should feel bad...

What's needed is spool up times and mass limits for each cyno. The solution to the problem is outrageously simple...

The worst mechanic is the one being countered by hot dropping.

Why hotdropping is bad. Why we shouldn't be able to kill ratters, lone caps, small gangs and the like. Why smaller groups shouldn't be able to jump on disorganised larger groups, take down something expensive and get out quickly. Why dumb people jumping unscouted to cyno beacons should be invulnerable. Why dropping a gang on a gatecamp without getting scouted first is bad.


Where the cyno touched you. Show us on the doll.

Because in the current age of eve online, people are bored too much.

Because in the current age of eve online, solo cruiers get hotdropped by supers.

So you're saying a cruiser can't kill the bomber, etc squishy ship with a low sig/decent lock time/cloak before a super locks on to it? Maybe something without a decent dps like a celestis, blackbird, or logi cruiser, but those would either A, be dead in any other confrontation or B, escape using ewar. Or C, weren't sober.

Different approach:

Force the bridging ship to ALWAYS do the jump too.
You want to bridge something? Fine. But then you have to risk your BLOPS or titan, too.
So basically no hotdrops NOT involving jump ships...

Or the cyno ship is a 80k ehp cruiser?

So in all fairness, if you do remove local then you must also remove the other piece of perfect effortless intel: starmap statistics.

The worst mechanic is the one being countered by hot dropping.

Like I pointed out elsewhere, if it was not for local making it tactically necessary, it would NEVER happen.

Why don't we have cynos being used off grid, or in a next door system?
BECAUSE the ability to have the intel, (which tells a pilot who is present in the system), is free from effort or chance of failure.

The moment more pilots show up, the target is instantly told by the sudden increase in pilots present. Pilots without the tell-tale blue or green squares in their name icon.
Only a fool would mistake that for anything but an alarm that a clear and present danger exists, so they immediately warp to safety.
This results in 100% avoidance for any player simply staying aligned and watching local. You cannot catch them with current game mechanics short of them screwing up.

Right now, the only remaining threat happens when the teasingly single name in local is present. It's just ONE pilot.... they may not even be at their keyboard at all... I could probably sneak out and do stuff, and they would not notice.

Noone seriously takes this same risk with two or more unknown threats present. Gameplay demonstrates this pretty clearly.