you're stupid thanks for trying

Needs better/different arguments - not the silly and often heard "proliferation of crime is unfair" thing you got going there. Cause you know, you're talking about Eve here, right?

I wasn't there to tell, but maybe insurance was introduced as a universal feature to prevent PvP from complaining that PvE got it when they were killed by NPCs.

Today insurance is a feature old enough and PvPers have got many free rides and it's time to remove some of their privileges.

CCP should do something for PvE each now and then, aside from spoiling their fun with scannable mission sites and removing Lvl5 from hisec, or keep them replaying the same old Lvl4 for years.

I see, still no arguments..

Unlike all the free rides industrials have gotten?

Tres is correct, you don't have an argument other than, 'it's not fair'.

Someone give me just one reason why gankers should be paid for losing a ship.

Butthurt ganker #2

You want the change, so therefore you need to supply a reason why they shouldn't.

But I'll bite, it facilitates ship loss which is a good thing.

..and you're the butthurt gankee or what?

That you revert to light name calling tells any reader of your topic one simple thing: Bronden can't think of arguments to support his case and thus any discussion(*) with him is moot. You managed to put yourself into the corner of whiners. Congratulation.

(*) with opposing view on the topic

Someone give me just one reason why gankers should be paid for losing a ship.

Then why not give Concord a 0 sec answer time? That also would facilitate ship loses and would be good, too.

And yes, my whole point is about CCP being fair with their paying customers by not handling endless privileges to some and endlessly abusing the patience of some others. It kinda is implicit in "give with one hand, take away with the other", you know.

Insurance for suicide gankers is a bit silly, yet removal of insurance for them destroys an entire "profession".
Perhaps some other solution is in order?

Instead of removing insurance for suicide-gankers completely, introduce one of the following options:
-Pirate faction standings requirement for insurance payout in a suicide gank
-CONCORD standing reduction whenever insurance is paid out on suicide gank
-20% less payout for suicide ganks, automatically
-Instead of ISK, receive some raw minerals in the next NPC station you dock in. Inconvenient, but it's still valuable!
-Only 20% chance you will receive the payout. Introduce a skill which increases 10% per level
-Other stuff

Because everyone else does as well. If gankers stop getting insurance so should everyone else. They paid for it, they got it.
And if you're gonna start a thread try to have some arguments ready, not just some hate because someone blew you up paired with insults at everyone who disagrees with you. Nobody's taking this thread seriously anymore.

What is this insurance people are talking about?

With removal of insurance paying for gankers that lost a ship due concord action if fair because there is no sane logic that would make that happen in real world.
2nd, it would help new players (and CCP) not to be ganked so many times to stop playing.
3rd, it would remove one ISK gain in game (ISK from nothing) and it would help the EVE economy.

Play the tutorials, THX.

Actually thinking about it, I might have had an insurance for a Tempest expire back in 2009 or was it maybe 2008. Ah well can't remember.

Once you start flying T2/T3 the insurance button is of no interest, which means you don't even think about its existance when you end up undocking in a Hurricane once in a while.

I've been reading the fears that the new BCs will be used as the perfect suicide gankers due to their pew-pew... so that should be countered in some way.

Also lately PvP have been handed a treat that will ruin many people's living... namely implants in killmails, which mean that now there will be a serious reason to pod everyone, with or without a ransom. Good-bye piracy, btw.

That makes +2 for PvP, so I am going to suggest CCP to give a -1 to PvP to keep the fair play.

My suggestion is:

Remove insurance for concordokken ships.

That will effectively raise the cost of every ship used for suicide ganking, shiny new BCs included, and will fulfill a venerable old demand of many players who feel outraged by such a ludicrous thing as rewarding criminals for their crimes.

If someone has got the "galls" (cough, cough) to be a ganker, there is no point rewarding him for so. If being a ganker is not rewarding enough, he should stop being a ganker.

So that's it. Give PvP their shiny new ganker BCs and the implant killmails, BUT remove insurances when they are killed by the law.

Give with one hand and take away with the other, CCP.

BE FAIR.