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Parvana
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:12:00 -
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A friend and I have been carebearing missions for a while now and we finally have enough ISK saved up to afford to lose it in PvP. The thing is, we are not certain the best type of PvP to focus on that meets our goals. We have looked in Red v Blue, faction warfare, null sec PvP corps, and wormholes but are having a hard time deciding what best fits our needs and constraints. In no particular order, these are:
- We use alts to run L4 missions to fund ship loss. They are a necessary evil.
- We are new to PvP but not to Eve
- We would prefer to fly cheaper ships rather than T2/T3 ships to keep mandatory missioning down to pay for replacements
- We are available via voice chat
- We are not always available at a given time/date. Our calendars are a bit fluid so we can't guarantee we will always be on at a certain time
- We would prefer spontaneous combat and roams rather than glorified duels where both sides agree to meet to fight
- We are not interested in ganking, gatecamping, carebear tears or whatever
- Our PvP alts are low skilled but training full time in combat skills
- We would be glad to do fleet ops and work a given role.We have our preferences but wouldn't mind tackling or logistics or whatever else is needed.
So, which type of corp/situation should we look given the above?
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
243
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:19:00 -
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First of all, you probably don't have enough isk yet in reality. See my bio. If you can follow the rules, I can help you start off with a respectible balance.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:23:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:First of all, you probably don't have enough isk yet in reality. See my bio. If you can follow the rules, I can help you start off with a respectible balance.
People still fall for that old scam? 
Tonight....you.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
243
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:27:00 -
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with others it is a scam and yes they fall for it.
With me, it's the real deal. Ask around.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Parvana
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:27:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:First of all, you probably don't have enough isk yet in reality. See my bio. If you can follow the rules, I can help you start off with a respectible balance.
Heh. You likely have missed the bullet in the OP where I mention we are not new to Eve. Go back to Jita or whatever hell hole you call home. kthxbye
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Francine Diderot
Autarky
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:16:00 -
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Parvana wrote:A friend and I have been carebearing missions for a while now and we finally have enough ISK saved up to afford to lose it in PvP. The thing is, we are not certain the best type of PvP to focus on that meets our goals. We have looked in Red v Blue, faction warfare, null sec PvP corps, and wormholes but are having a hard time deciding what best fits our needs and constraints. In no particular order, these are:
- We use alts to run L4 missions to fund ship loss. They are a necessary evil.
- We are new to PvP but not to Eve
- We would prefer to fly cheaper ships rather than T2/T3 ships to keep mandatory missioning down to pay for replacements
- We are available via voice chat
- We are not always available at a given time/date. Our calendars are a bit fluid so we can't guarantee we will always be on at a certain time
- We would prefer spontaneous combat and roams rather than glorified duels where both sides agree to meet to fight
- We are not interested in ganking, gatecamping, carebear tears or whatever
- Our PvP alts are low skilled but training full time in combat skills (~10m SP atm)
- We would be glad to do fleet ops and work a given role.We have our preferences but wouldn't mind tackling or logistics or whatever else is needed.
Edit:
- Neither of us desire to multibox / run a scout along with our main
So, which type of corp/situation should we look given the above?
Can you identify an opponents likely fit with a glance at his guns?
Can you, on the fly, know the likely tactics that will be used based on your assumption of the fit?
Do you know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, so to speak?
Do you know how tracking, falloff, and damage likelyhood work in the game?
Do you know why cruisers have a hard time hitting frigates? I mean specifically?
Can you tell the difference between signature resolution and signature radius?
How do those two work together?
These are important questions. You learn the answers by doing, not by collecting skillpoints. Before the answers to these questions are in your bones, it is unwise to fly more specialised and more expensive ships. You gain experience by starting low, learning to walk before you learn to run.
This is why veterans tell newbies to fly a hundred rifters first, and get them all killed. This in order to learn the answer to the above questions, and many more.
So, to your question. In order to begin to pvp, you must pass through the stage of the hundred exploding rifters. That is where you begin. It is an essential phase, and not because it is a humbling phase but because it is a learning experience. |
Parvana
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:27:00 -
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Francine Diderot wrote:
So, to your question. In order to begin to pvp, you must pass through the stage of the hundred exploding rifters. That is where you begin. It is an essential phase, and not because it is a humbling phase but because it is a learning experience.
Um, exactly? The point is, where to begin losing rifters. What sort of corp or approach is the best given the constraints above?
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darmwand
Repo.
134
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:33:00 -
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Francine Diderot wrote:
This is why veterans tell newbies to fly a hundred rifters first, and get them all killed. This in order to learn the answer to the above questions, and many more.
This. Depending on your preference and skills you may use different ships (Merlin, Tristan, Incursus, Tormentor, ...) but indeed, buy a bunch of t1 frigates, roam through low-sec and lose them all. Ideally you would record your fights (using something like FRAPS) and watch them afterwards, see what you did wrong and how you could possibly have beaten your opponent. Plus people in low-sec are usually quite helpful and most of them will tell you what you could have done better after a fight.
You will learn about your ship's and guns' strengths and weaknesses as your hangar clears out.
darmwand
Repossession Agent
http://www.repo-corp.net/
Recruitment is OPEN |
darmwand
Repo.
134
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:35:00 -
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Parvana wrote:
Um, exactly? The point is, where to begin losing rifters. What sort of corp or approach is the best given the constraints above?
Jump to low-sec, roam as far as you get, repeat :)
I would recommend the FW areas since they are typically quite well-populated.
darmwand
Repossession Agent
http://www.repo-corp.net/
Recruitment is OPEN |
I Need PLEX
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:04:00 -
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Parvana wrote:Francine Diderot wrote:
So, to your question. In order to begin to pvp, you must pass through the stage of the hundred exploding rifters. That is where you begin. It is an essential phase, and not because it is a humbling phase but because it is a learning experience.
Um, exactly? The point is, where to begin losing rifters. What sort of corp or approach is the best given the constraints above?
I would suggest joining Brave Newbies Inc. for anyone wishing to go from carebear to killer |
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:57:00 -
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There is no limited number of "types" of pvp. You have set your parameters already, now create your own pvp type from it. Where you do it is completely up to you, but you have to start somewhere. I recommend just trying everything at least once. Play canflipping- and station-games in a tradehub next to you, suicide gank miners, roam through low- and nullsec, fly into the next c2 wormhole you find. and do it in your pace. You will die a lot. Talk to the people who killed you, ask them why you died and how you could have avoided it - most will gladly explain their game to you. That way you will learn for yourself where you want to be and maybe even find a corp in the process. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
545
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:09:00 -
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Do like most, go to Provi and establish contact with CVA and the Citadel channel.
Find out who the reds are, run patrols. The Not Red Don't shoot - NRDS - policy might mean you lose some ships but you never feel guilty about shooting someone. If you aren't a holder, you have no dedication to be on for fleet calls. Simply roam and patrol. The fights will happen. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3071
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:12:00 -
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Parvana wrote:Francine Diderot wrote:
So, to your question. In order to begin to pvp, you must pass through the stage of the hundred exploding rifters. That is where you begin. It is an essential phase, and not because it is a humbling phase but because it is a learning experience.
Um, exactly? The point is, where to begin losing rifters. What sort of corp or approach is the best given the constraints above?
Just head out of highsec & look for people to shoot. Alternatively if you'd like to get paid to lose ships, contact me ingame.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Smegnet Corp
4386
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:16:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:First of all, you probably don't have enough isk yet in reality. See my bio. If you can follow the rules, I can help you start off with a respectible balance.
Take your scamming elsewhere... |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
610
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:33:00 -
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Brave newbies, Faction warfare, R-V-B are all great options.
As Skydell said Providence is a lot of fun, join CVA-diplo if you want to base yourself there. Its a lot easier if you can get into CVA or one of the holder alliances http://providenceregion.blogspot.com/ We don't force members to form up for fleets but there's usually a fleet or 10 to choose from.
Mallak's offer is probably serious and could be a great way to get started. Solstice project has made similar offers for players to help him with piracy.
A lot of pvp is evading those fights that you know you will lose. Maybe start missioning / scanning in lowsec and learning how to stay safe there.
Best of luck whatever you choose.
I think I'm heading back to Youtube for a while -á-á http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7eWSo9GV70 |
Sunshyn LaBlond
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:35:00 -
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In a word--- Piracy.
Your description of your play style is exactly that of most of the pirates I knew. The top dogs in most of the pirate corps I associated with on my other toon (and briefly with this one) were all space rich industrialists with their mains and funded pirate corps more as a 'fight club' than the RP notion of pirates. Often they are the ones seeding the local markets with PvP goods so both their own chums and those they kill end up buying from their mains.
The way they all got really good at PvP was to simply be able to fund losses. When you can afford to lose 20 Rifters a day, experience at PvP comes pretty quickly. When you sell those Rifters to 20 other guys losing 20 a day-- the cycle is set to both get rich and shoot people in the face 'for a living'.
Sticking with small hulls and weapons is the favored policy of pirates (they're cheap) and have easily maxed skills. You'll have the same skill level as the jedi in no time, them you just need the practice with your new pirate pals.
Piracy gets a bad rep but in reality doesn't actually 'pay'. Ransoms are fairly rare, much less one that would even cover your ammo and repair costs. Thus most full time pirate toons I knew were merely PvP alts of industrial players. They rarely care about the ships they fly, and often end a boring roam by shooting one another just for giggles.
Sounds like a perfect fit for you.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:37:00 -
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Parvana wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:First of all, you probably don't have enough isk yet in reality. See my bio. If you can follow the rules, I can help you start off with a respectible balance. Heh. You likely have missed the bullet in the OP where I mention we are not new to Eve. Go back to Jita or whatever hell hole you call home. kthxbye
No I didn't miss that- just pointing out that most people underestimate how much isk they may need.
Before you lump me in with scammers, you should ask around first instead of making a fool out of yourself throwing guesses out as fact.
Now, in regards to the pvp topic more directly, have you considered safaris?
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
125
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Parvana wrote:Francine Diderot wrote:
So, to your question. In order to begin to pvp, you must pass through the stage of the hundred exploding rifters. That is where you begin. It is an essential phase, and not because it is a humbling phase but because it is a learning experience.
Um, exactly? The point is, where to begin losing rifters. What sort of corp or approach is the best given the constraints above? Just head out of highsec & look for people to shoot. Alternatively if you'd like to get paid to lose ships, contact me ingame.
Paid to lose ships....how does that one work? I have a buddy I have been roaming with and we have just been going to lowsec so he can pick fights and lose ships to learn how to pvp... So let me know these details via mail and ill pass on the details to him...
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
581
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Posted - 2013.06.10 02:34:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Brave newbies, Faction warfare, R-V-B are all great options. As Skydell said Providence is a lot of fun, join CVA-diplo if you want to base yourself there. Its a lot easier if you can get into CVA or one of the holder alliances http://providenceregion.blogspot.com/ We don't force members to form up for fleets but there's usually a fleet or 10 to choose from. Mallak's offer is probably serious and could be a great way to get started. Solstice project has made similar offers for players to help him with piracy. A lot of pvp is evading those fights that you know you will lose. Maybe start missioning / scanning in lowsec and learning how to stay safe there. Best of luck whatever you choose.
Good advice here. |
Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
98
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:09:00 -
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Roaming in low sec is nice in that you don't have to deal with warp bubbles. Also there's less of a chance that your name gets mentioned on alliance/coalition intel channels; which can cause your potential targets to scatter away from the light of liberating explosions.
Want to play in W-Space? You still can. Same with Null. No problems, all easily reachable thanks to your new low sec lifestyle. I know you said 'no tear collecting' BUT if you ever change your mind... hey high sec is right next door. I myself enjoy the occasional trip into Empire Space to ninja salvage lvl 4 mission runners.
If you do decide to stay in high sec, I'd recommend RvB. I hang out on their forums from time to time and the people that run things are good people.
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Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
267
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:20:00 -
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Lowsec factional warfare really is the best place to start. RvB has some damn good pvpers, but their getup is too "honorable". FW you see it all. Blobs, camps, soloists, bait ships, pirates, food(e-uni), and all manner of unorthodox and dishonorable tactics. You get pissed off a lot, but you make some money on the side so you run missions less, and the real world experience is invaluable.
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
The Retirement Club
11
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:00:00 -
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Faction warfare makes good isk and has some great corps who will be happy to teach you.
For low sec small gang /solo pvp there are some really excellant corps and individuals who are more than happy to teach new people that are willing to learn. I don't do that myself but i know quite a few people that specialise in piracy and would be happy to point you in their direction (mail me in game).
Oddly the easiest way to get into PVP is null sec as the player skills required for fleet warfare are minimal. Most of the PVP centric null sec alliances have many small gang roams and many people happy to teach. Personally i have found null sec to be the perfect teaching ground and i am learning fast from both the large scale fleets as well as the small gang roams. I am a slow learner so i am holding off from solo stuff at the moment :).
Black Legion, 401k, Pandemic Legion, Rooks and Kings are all well known pvpcentric null alliances and most are easier to join than people think.
It is also cheaper than people think. fast t1 tackle frigates are always useful and the rupture is a cheap and powerful cruiser that most fleets are happy to have along. Just do some research and ask people in game as a newbro myself i am always happy to reply to mails to help people move away from the duller highsec stuff and into the more fun ship blowing up stuff. |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
50
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:39:00 -
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You sound like you might be a good fit in our alliance. We have a presence in High/Low/Null. We are large enough that there are generally people active in all time zones. For pvp we range from casual small scale roams, keeping the gates on our Sov systems, larger doctrine style fleet fights, and even CTA's/cap fights. Ships run the spectrum as well. Some fly T1 1 frigs, others T2/T3 ships. We also have a lot of members who like to PvE together to support their PvP habits. Some run L4s, sites, or null sec anoms while others like to mine/produce/trade.
Send me a message in game if you have any questions. Or simply apply to our Academy corp if interested. |
Sunshyn LaBlond
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:57:00 -
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I still endorse Piracy first...but also consider flying Interdictors in a null sec alliance.
It's hard to over-state the importance and universal use that Interdictors see in null sec. Virtually no fleet undocks without at least a couple Dictors in tow. Regardless of what the main body is flying- armor, shield, missile, turret, etc- (except for Blops), they won't be going anywhere without Dictors.
Most null alliances will either hand out Dictors, or at least reimburse the pilot at or near 100%. It can literally be free to fly Dictors. It's hard to beat that sort of price. Fully fitted, Dictors aren't very expensive anyway.
The beauty is that they are only a few skills from destroyers, a ship that is also awesome for small scale PvP. There is literally no downside to making Dictors your short term goal.
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